speeddemon32

ok most of this info I did not even get myself, Much thanks go to ULLLOSE. Also I know a lot of this info has been posted before, My intent is to try and put all this info on the same thread, right here in this post for easy comparisson. please feel free to add the info you know so we can make this post even better.


Stock non Sport
Front
? mm OD
? mm wall
? % weaker (then stock sport)
Rear
? mm OD
? mm wa
?% weaker (then stock sport)

Stock Sport
Front
27mm OD
3.40mm wall
0 % stiffer
Rear
16mm OD
2.46mm wall
0 % stiffer

Mazda Speed
Front
27.2mm OD
4mm wall
13% stiffer
stock bushings will work
$
link goes here
Rear
17.3mm OD
2.6mm wall
? % stiffer
stock bushings will work
$
link goes here

Racing Beat
Front
32mm OD
4.76mm wall
118% stiffer
bigger bushings included
$ 185
http://www.racingbeat.com/FRmazda4.htm
Rear
19mm OD
3.17mm wall
? % stiffer
bigger bushings included
$
lhttp://www.racingbeat.com/FRmazda4.htm


Tanabe
Front
30.4mm OD
5mm wall
86% stiffer
Bigger bushings required
$ 194
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/pric...sion/Sway_Bars
Rear
20.4mm OD
4.2mm wall
? % stiffer
Bigger bushings required
$ 194
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/pric...sion/Sway_Bars

Agency Power (note: requires bigger end link, try racing beat or AWRracing)
Front
32mm OD
3mm wall
64% +9% adjustment range 3 way adjustable
bigger bushings required
$ 220
http://www.vividracing.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/13159
Rear
? mm OD
? mm wall
$ 220
http://www.vividracing.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/13158

Whiteline
Front
27 mm OD
solid
$
link goes here
Rear
18 mm OD
solid
$
link goes here

H&R
Front
29mm OD
solid
$
link goes here
Rear
20mm
solid
$
link goes here

Eibach
Front
27mm
solid
$
link goes here
Rear
18mm s
solid
$
link goes here

Speed Source you can only buy it from Mazda Comp parts if you are part of the racer support program
Front
32mm OD
6.3mm wall
$
link goes here

Cusco
Front
28 mm
wall
$297
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/pric...sion/Sway_Bars
Rear
18 mm
wall
$204
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/pric...sion/Sway_Bars

All OD and wall #s are from manufacture info. % stiffer than stock is approx just using a basic formula and assumes that all swaybar arms are the same length and mounting holes are in the same location, also that all bars are made of the same material.

ULLLOSE

iTrader: (1)

More:
H&R front 29mm solid
rear 20mm solid

Eibach front 27mm solid
rear 18mm solid

Whitelne front 27mm solid adjustable or fixed
rear 18mm solid adjustable or fixed

The last one I know of is made by Speed Source and you can only buy it from Mazda Comp parts if you are part of the racer support program. Front 32mm OD 6.3mm wall speedway style bar that is adjustable. This is the bar that is on the GrandAm cup cars.

speeddemon32

you da man, now I just need to do some searching and get some prices and links. I will work on this when I can. (little hard here at work.

thanks again ULLLOSE for all the info!

WantedTwo

iTrader: (4)

so... another thread that should be in the suspension section....

swoope

iTrader: (5)

ulllouse,

is there not some way for torsonial rigidity to be tested? you think a standard would exist.

this subject is a black art / crap shoot....

btw, thanks for the help...

speedeamon... this thread sucks to

beers

speeddemon32

he he, somhow I knew I could count on you.

staticlag

There is a standard test, but it damages the sample material.

swoope

iTrader: (5)

so no real way to test them against each other. just by trying them and asking opionions....

you would think something would exist.... so now it is just vodoo...... i find it odd in this world of hi tech not a real way to accuratly compare sways...

what are you going to do....

beers

staticlag

I dunno, I have RB sways and Greddy rear strut tower bar, and I have no wheelhop on burnout, greatly reduced body roll in corners the car feels more solid when I go over uneven pavement.

Sways are highly recommended.

Can be very tricky to install though, probably the hardest mod I have done thusfar. Hex bolts, moving bolts, extremely tight spots, and high torque ratings.

staticlag

Just the rear strut tower bar added so much to this car, made the backend hop A LOT less.

If your on a budget I would just get the rear strut tower bar.

phxtravis

the whiteline front is 27mm

speeddemon32

thanks! it has been added.

FastRX8

Man this thread needs some prices.
I was hoping all the work was already done.
I'll start looking.

- Cesar -

speeddemon32

yeah I know.... jsut have not had the time....

one of these days I was planning on sitting down and moving forward with all of these threads.
some of the threads are pretyt complete, some are needing some attention.

speeddemon32

Cusco added

also added SOME prices and links, will add more soon.

silverwolf

my question is. would a sway bar help drifting or hurt it. i have heard different remarks. i have heard that because of the stiffness it helps pull the car around andnot lag behind. i have also heard that because of the stiffness it makes the car grip more and not want to slide.

buwisit

what is the best suspension setup for mountain/daily driving?

speeddemon32

I have never setup a drift car, but I would asume you would want a weak (stock) front, and a stiff rear.... can anyone confirm?


as for mountain/daily, RB work good. some people say they are a little much for the track, but fine for spireted daily drivers.

buwisit

^^thanks!

scsi

perhaps weight could be added to these specs as well? :D

speeddemon32

damn man, what do you want from me?

he he, that would be very hard as it is not advertised. I would assume they would all be withing a pound or so of each other.

scsi

oh nah i dont mean you find everything, just perhaps if owners feel like weighing their bars they can post up results here. of course solid will be heavier than hollow bars but by how much? just a thought

gh0st

depends on your springs, shocks, alignment, etc... also how much stiffer you plan on going with the sways. but is general, youll find that most sways will make your car more twitchy at the limit. you can approach the limit more comfortably because of less roll but in drifting, your focus in beyond the limit.

i have vogtland springs which are much stiffer then mazdaspeed frem experience and it was pretty easy to drift. it was just the right amount of usable bodyroll for my style. after i got the tanabe sways on, the first thing i did was spinout when i tried to slide. the usual weight transitions werent there anymore and there was slightly less feedback from the tires and the corner weights. the weight transfers are also MUCH faster. trying to countersteer to "catch" the car is much harder now cause i have to be really fast. im used to it now but im no where near as comfortable as i used to be.

if your gonna get sways, stay away from RB. the front is WAY too stiff on a car that has a soft rear.

TeamRX8

iTrader: (25)

LOL

I have the RB front bar with endlink holes drilled 3/4" forward of the RB holes to make it even stiffer coupled with the softer OE auto trans rear bar, along with 600# front and 325# coilover springs and the car has so much oversteer it's almost impossible to drive without spinning

I just ordered the stiffer Speedsource adjustable blade-arm front bar from Mazda Motorsports; 1.25" OD 0.25" wall, $518. I'll post some pics so you can see what a real racing swaybar looks like.

speeddemon32

he he.... yes please post pics. I would love to see it.

Team, you have a very nice STU car!