dmorales

I was curious, I tried searching but couldn't find what I was looking for, and wanted to know if Racing Beats hp claims were correct.

It seems other aftermarket exhaust companies claim larger hp gains and racing beat claims 5hp without an exhaust at all and 3.5 iwth theirs and that that is about as good as it will get. Is this true?

I'm looking at purchasing an aftermarket exhaust, and would feel more comfortable buying a raciing beat exhaust. In fact, I believe them before I would others, but wanted to know from some who may have had some experience with them.
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NoTears316

None of the companies producing aftermarket parts have made any real gains from intakes, exhausts, headers etc...

To say that one is better than the other is like saying Pepsi is better than Coke, and trying to state it as fact instead of an opinion. As far as exhausts go, your best bet would be to find out what sound you are after and just go with that.

rotarygod

Racing Beat is one of the few very honest companies out there when it comes to advertising. They tell you like it is whether that is what you want to hear or not. I'm not sure where alot of companies get their numbers from. Sometimes I just think many of them are made up. Racing Beat will not publish higher numbers just to appear competitive on paper against someone else. They'll publish what they got. Compare this to other companies who will publish all kinds of numbers. Sometimes you'll see someone publish 2 different dyno charts and then you realize they weren't even done on the same day at the same temperature and sometimes not even on the same dyno. They may be back to back runs with the car being warmed up on one and not the other or they may be from 2 entirely different cars. You never know. Needless to say, dyno numbes are very easy to alter and make look better than they are. Some people will even quote a little power spike as the high number. Too many people rely on dynos to tell them everything when in reality all they are is tuning tools. Racing Beat does have a dyno. They have an engine dyno. They also use it as one thing to help them design a product. They also use GPS to measure actual vehicle acceleration differences with their product. That is real world information where it counts. They may be a little conservative on their numbers but this doesn't mean they are different in reality than anyone else. I'd actually rather get more than I expected than less anyways. Output claims are more advertising than anything. No exhaust will give you much of an advantage over the other so choose based on which one you like from a sound and build quality standpoint.

NoTears316

I said this before, will say it again. This portion of the forum is sponsored by RB, so expect alot of people to plug them. Just remember, Pepsi vs Coke. For an exhaust, you simply need to know what sound you are looking to get out of it, the performance is pretty much the same for any that you buy.

Ole Spiff

This forum being sponsored by RB has absolutely nothing to do with any praise or positive comments people make about RB and their products. You can be sure that the RX8 owners on this forum would rip any manufacturer or product ESPECIALLY if they were sponsoring the forum, if they or their products were not satisfactory.

dmorales

Maybe I could also get some info to on them.

I listened to clips of the RB and Greddy and couldn't really here the difference, altough I'm sure there is probably a differense.

So has anyone heard the two in person? What is the differences, loudness, pitch, quality?
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ddub

Power isn't everything, remember, it's also about weight. The RB exhaust, in my opinion, is much too heavy, that's why I'd never get it. I'd rather get a lighter alternative, possibly custom.

NoTears316

My point isnt to try and discredit them, I am sure they have great products. The point I am making is that anytime someone asks a question about aftermarket parts, someone posts how RB does this and does that and kinda insinuates that the others just slap some metal on an anvil and hammer out an exhaust shaped POS. It has been proven that none of the current exhausts are adding much of anything.

RB parts have been forcefed to anyone asking questions about aftermarket parts, even before RB had parts on the market for the 8! It gets pretty annoying.

ddub

Same thing happens on rx7club, at least in the 2nd gen section. Any time there is a thread about exhaust you get that group that comes in and says "RB is your only option, everything else is rice and sucks and is cheap."

Oh well, that's why we have brains, to form our own opinions. People just need to decide things for themselves.

r0tor

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These are the same people who say over and over there aren't enough gains to warrant ecu work but then went and spent a year developing an intake and exhaust that for $1k will give you maybe 5hp... oh right, they are racing beat though

Sigma

It's all about market. The market for intakes and exhausts, even at $1000 and only 5whp, is significantly larger than the market for ECU upgrades.

rotarygod

You're obviously personally biased AGAINST them so why should anyone trust your opinion anymore than mine? I'm actually the one that defended them AND said no exhaust out there really has much of an advantage so each person should choose the one they want based on other reasons. Strange how you tried to use me as an example of bias when you are more biased than anyone. If someone asks a question that is opinion based, they are probably going to get an opinion back for a response. Is it so conceivable that there might actually be a different viewpoint than yours? Racing Beat as a sponsor is completely irrelevant. We have sponsors here that I don't support.

LiL BenNy

k&n sponsors the forum claims 9.5 hp but we still trash them....

Fanman

I think that is your perception that everybody is bias so you have some sort of negative conotation when somebody mentions a good review with the RB products. I have seen very few times where somebody/another poster has come out and said that RB rules, and everybody else is crap. About the only time I have seen that happen, is with the air intake vs. the K&N unit. Do people like RB products. Yes. Because like it or not people on this board appreciate honesty. If RB comes out and says you will get about 2-3 hp from a cat back exhaust, or 3-4 hp from an air intake, dynos have proven that that is exactly what you get. Vs. some vendors that have claimed 10+ hp on their cat back units, or 10 hp from an intake, only to later fall far short of those claims when independent dynos are run. Good prices on good products that is what you get. In terms of cat back exhausts I have seen several people here buy Greddy, Borla, Mazdaspeed and be perfectly happy. The reason the RB REVi gets positive reviews is that it delivers & right now is honestly the only unit out there that has been dyno tested, and driven a lot, & isn't $600-$1000. The K&N is been torn apart (rightfully so) for their 1st gen. unit. AEM is not really out yet in mass quantities. In time there might be other competitors, but right now there isn't.

It's like being Lance Armstrong, or Michael Jordan when you are the best people want to hate on you.

If you think I am bias for them, you are right. I am bias when people make good products for me, and deliver on their promises. I also have about another 10 different vendors on my car as well. I could go through the list on what worked as advertised & what didn't.

I'm not sure what you want from us. If somebody asks about the RP hi-flow cat, do you want all the people with positive opinions to not post ? Or the Richard Paul Short shifter ? Greddy cat back ? Products get positive reviews when they are good products. Not sure what you want. Do want us to lie and say we had an awful experience ?

NoTears316

You seem to miss the point as well. RB makes good products, super. However, when someone starts a thread asking about aftermarket pulleys and the conversation turns into a RB intake commercial, thats going overboard. https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-aftermarket-performance-modifications-23/what-about-pulleys-70290/ That is the exact point I am trying to make. RB parts get forcefed to everyone on this site, wether it pertained to the topic at hand or not.

The original poster of this thread is pretty much asking if RB's claims that none of the aftermarket exhausts are really adding any substantial gains are true. I replied with the Pepsi vs Coke analogy, pretty much stating that the real decision is opinion based merely off the sound he wants to get out of it. The following post turns into a 1000 word RB commercial! Utterly ridiculous.

NoTears316

You must be using a special version of the RX8club... the only sponsored forums I see are from Racing Beat, Tire Rack, RX-8 Garage, and Rotary Trader.

Fanman

Like I said I agree with you on Cat Back exhausts (& your Pepsi vs. Coke comparison). Your example of the pulley vs. RB intake is one where for a similar price if you are looking for hp gain for a similar price (& effort), there are very few options. 1. RB air intake 2. RP Perfromance hi-flow cat. I did clarify it later on. If you can name 5 products that actually add hp to this car with relitively simple effort & a similar price. Feel free to list them. That's where I was coming from.

There are RB advocates on this site (me), no more so then RB bigots (you). Your 1st post was a good one, but then you devolved and blamed anybody posting positives about RB products as being bias because they sponsor the forum and people are being forcefed RB. You lost your sense of being unbias & you became an advocate against Racing Beat. Your blaming people for being too bias FOR RB, but now you are guilty of the same thing (but opposite). Simple. I can easily say that due to service, products, & price I like RB. For you to claim that you don't have a bias against them is disingenuous.

Fanman

He means the advertisement in the flashing banner at the top. They don't sponsor a forum, but they advertise/sponsor the whole rx8club board, and they still get ripped up.

LiL BenNy

yeah... they have to pay for the banner so basically supports the forum.

IMO there should be a way we can make donations..

dmorales

Not to be a poor sport on this RB war, but all I really meant by this was that I was curious why others say they get more hp from a cat back than RB does.

I"m sure, for the most part, any brand name cat back system I buy will be a quality product each with their pluses and minus.
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Xyntax

I believe Racing Beat's design philosophy. I rarely buy mods that don't really give any power improvements. Here's my latest dyno, which I could accredit to the RB Intake greatly: https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-tech-garage-22/145-188-rwhp-mustang-dyno-70398/

Fanman

Because they want to sell products, and if a place tells you that you will get 3 hp gain that would affect their sales. it has been dyno proven on this board that the various exhausts all get around the same hp gain (2-3) from RB, to Greddy, to Borla, to Mazdaspeed. When a company comes out and tells you that they got 12 hp from an exhaust, be skeptical. If you look at a lot of literature, they got it on another car & now they say they can get it on an RX8, or their dynoes were run 6 months apart in completely different environments. 3 hp is about it...for any exhaust.

r0tor

iTrader: (1)

Wow, I guess its illegal around here to have a negative opinion of the all great Racing Beat.

I'm so biased against RB that I actually own their oil cooler screens and AC condensor screen (the later of which looks like a poor result of a 10th grade metal working class - my friends words, not only mine).

Any manufacturer that comes in here is immediately blasted if they do not have dyno sheets. I have yet to see RB actually post any of their results from all those great tests they run (oh, mazda won't let us... yada yada yada). Instead they claim gains so low that they aren't even measureable by any chassis dyno, so I guess the above mention is OK. I specifically asked them if they had any data to show their box was flowed any better or if their "ram air" actually created any positive pressure - since they for some reason can't show a dyno chart. I got no response both times - guess Mazda was blocking that info as well.

But despite this, RB's little blurb on gains found during their testing is taken completely as gospel, and has been quoted on this site countless times without question. They are just like any other aftermarket company out there trying to sell their products.

Fanman

Actually, I think several people here have posted INDEPENDENT dynos verifying RB claims on hp gains from their REVi units & REV8 catback exhausts. You can claim dyno variations all you want, but then again if performance gains are +/- 3% what can you do ? Are you going to say that every addition that doesn't give you more than dyno variation doesn't give you anything ? Our car doesn't give massive hp gains. The air intake gives about 3-4 hp. They can make stupid claims of 10-15 hp but that would be deceptive. Just so that people can say it's beyond dyno variation ? You can ask for air flow charts from them, and if they don't want to respond to every customer's request I can respect that they are doing other things, and/or won't release trade/company data. They make claims that give low hp because that is what people really get when they dyno independently. If you get an air intake & exhaust & get 5-6 hp. It is what it is. At least they are honest enough to say it vs. putting out BS claims of 12 hp from an exhaust. They did have dynos in tuner magazine where they got 2-3 hp across the rev range with the exhaust, exactly what they claim. The reason people believe what RB has said is that they have verified it independently. If they said a hi-flow cat or even a midpipe gets about 8 hp, guess what we got when we dynoed them 5-8 hp. Exhaust, whether RB, Greddy, MS, etc. got 2-3 hp. It's not just the fact that they are RB, but the fact that they have been right/independently verified

It's not illegal for you to post your opinion, as you are doing it right now, but don't get upset when people who have had positive experience with them list their opposite reaction/defend them. People have positive opinions of several products on this board from RP midpipe, to Richard Paul short shifter, to RB, to Greddy exhaust, etc. As long as we get what they promise (vs. making BS claims that are later debunked) in general I think this community is happy with them. A manufacturer that delivers what the promise...what a refreshing thought. Name a manufacturer that delivers what they promise, and get's a bad rap on this board ?

rotarygod

You can have any opinion of anyone that you want. When you get online and start tearing into people like myself about who we endorse and then try to theorize as to why we do so, I'm going to defend my opinion. Racing Beat doesn't pay ME, any of the moderators, or anyone else here to support them. Sorry if you don't understand that.