Mazsport turbo kit vs. PTP turbo kit
07-13-2007, 09:13 PM
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Mazsport turbo kit vs. PTP turbo kit
Wanted to get an opinion from everone a little more experienced than myself. I have been looking for a turbo kit for about a year now and I have narrowed it down to the Mazsport and PTP kits. Kits are as follows.
1) Stage 1 Mazsport turbo kit - ^to 400rwhp ($8k and a boat load of needed upgrade parts to go with)
2) PTP turbo kit - 390rwhp & 290lb/ft trq ($7k including th HKS EMS)
How hard is the instal for these kits? rate 1 to 5: 1 being the easiest and 5 needing a mechanic.
Will there be a real danger to my engine if the int-x goes hay-wire in Michigan weather?
I have read that the Interceptor-X EMS that comes with the Mazsport turbo doesn't like weather changes and seems to go off the deep end (exaggerated) when the weather does change. Also have read that Mazsport is working on a fix for this and the CEL in the higher rpm ranges. I have seen videos of the Mazsport and like what I see.
As for the PTP kit, haven't been able to find much besides a C&D road test from July 06'.
Was wondering what everyone out there likes and dislikes. This has probably come up before (hoping not, that way I don't get the new guy treatment), I didn't find anything on it though.
Be gentle, this is my first post.
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AP
Ps - I will be buying all the performance upgrades at once and installing them all at the same time so that might make a difference.
1) Stage 1 Mazsport turbo kit - ^to 400rwhp ($8k and a boat load of needed upgrade parts to go with)
2) PTP turbo kit - 390rwhp & 290lb/ft trq ($7k including th HKS EMS)
How hard is the instal for these kits? rate 1 to 5: 1 being the easiest and 5 needing a mechanic.
Will there be a real danger to my engine if the int-x goes hay-wire in Michigan weather?
I have read that the Interceptor-X EMS that comes with the Mazsport turbo doesn't like weather changes and seems to go off the deep end (exaggerated) when the weather does change. Also have read that Mazsport is working on a fix for this and the CEL in the higher rpm ranges. I have seen videos of the Mazsport and like what I see.
As for the PTP kit, haven't been able to find much besides a C&D road test from July 06'.
Was wondering what everyone out there likes and dislikes. This has probably come up before (hoping not, that way I don't get the new guy treatment), I didn't find anything on it though.
Be gentle, this is my first post.
Thanks,
AP
Ps - I will be buying all the performance upgrades at once and installing them all at the same time so that might make a difference.
07-13-2007, 10:07 PM
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1. The mazsport kit will take more hours to install as it includes things (engine mounts/fuel pump) that the PTP does not.
2. I don't have the exact sizes of the PTP and Mazsport turboes (trim and what nought) but you will likely see similar results with each.
3. If your management goes haywire, your car will either not run, run really poorly, or it will blow the engine. This is basically true of any management (even the stock ecu) not performing correctly.
You don't get as much press on the PTP on this forums. It makes it tough to compare them readily.
Have you looked at the SFR kit? If so, how did you eliminate it from contention?
2. I don't have the exact sizes of the PTP and Mazsport turboes (trim and what nought) but you will likely see similar results with each.
3. If your management goes haywire, your car will either not run, run really poorly, or it will blow the engine. This is basically true of any management (even the stock ecu) not performing correctly.
You don't get as much press on the PTP on this forums. It makes it tough to compare them readily.
Have you looked at the SFR kit? If so, how did you eliminate it from contention?
07-13-2007, 10:30 PM
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I can tell you that I haven't had any issues with my int-x from cold weather to the hot summer. It runs well in both.
Of course I'm in FL, so the winter is more around 50 degrees
Of course I'm in FL, so the winter is more around 50 degrees
07-13-2007, 10:35 PM
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Turbo kits of this caliber are going to take a good deal of mechanical ability to install. Not to mention time. It's not saying it can't be done by most people though. It can. It just takes a while.
Kits like this all have roughly the same ultimate performance ability. Mazsport has the best support of all of them though as Scott from Mazsport is a member here. He'll go out of his way to help you if there is a problem. You don't hear about the other kits as much as there aren't as many being used by members. The Mazsport system is probably the most popular. You do see issues pop up but this isn't necessarily a bad thing. It shows an evolution and people post about ways to improve their kit. If you have a problem with the PTP for example, you really only have the option of finding a shop with the ability to tune the HKS software and these may or may not be easy to come by.
I don't think that you should necessarily eliminate any of these systems from contention based purely on system design or content. They are all good in this area. How much support will you get after the sale? That's the ultimate factor for me and Mazsport wins hands down in this area in my opinion.
Kits like this all have roughly the same ultimate performance ability. Mazsport has the best support of all of them though as Scott from Mazsport is a member here. He'll go out of his way to help you if there is a problem. You don't hear about the other kits as much as there aren't as many being used by members. The Mazsport system is probably the most popular. You do see issues pop up but this isn't necessarily a bad thing. It shows an evolution and people post about ways to improve their kit. If you have a problem with the PTP for example, you really only have the option of finding a shop with the ability to tune the HKS software and these may or may not be easy to come by.
I don't think that you should necessarily eliminate any of these systems from contention based purely on system design or content. They are all good in this area. How much support will you get after the sale? That's the ultimate factor for me and Mazsport wins hands down in this area in my opinion.
07-13-2007, 11:03 PM
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Also, you can buy the PTP kit without engine management and buy an Int-X instead of the HKS. I like the power curve of the PTP vs the Mazsport, but Scott does a great job with his kits too. I don't know if you've researched this area, but the Greddy kit can accept a GT2871 with minimal modification which gives you a turbo with a ton more headroom than the T618Z.
07-13-2007, 11:05 PM
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i have never seen a video of a mazsport kit .....where did you find it. and if you think the mazsport needs a boat load of upgrade parts mabye you should look a little further. from what ive seen it has alot of extras that other kits dont offer. and i dont recall the ptp putting down 390 rwhp.
theres alot of info out there on these kits. ive been trying to narrow my choice down to one for some time now. good luck i think you have alot more info to hunt down before you make your choice.
rick
theres alot of info out there on these kits. ive been trying to narrow my choice down to one for some time now. good luck i think you have alot more info to hunt down before you make your choice.
rick
07-13-2007, 11:09 PM
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^ He meant it as 'it comes with a boatload of parts'.
that's one thing people need to keep in mind - the mazsport kits are currently limited due to the stock coils. So you'll see similar peak numbers with the high end kits. Looking strictly at the dyno numbers don't tell you the whole story - as the mazsport kit comes with stuff like engine mounts, larger injectors, upgraded fuel pump, etc. Supporting mods will help keep your car running.
If you're pushing 330 whp and your OEM pump overheats and dies, your engine will quickly die and you'll regret passing up the complete kit that would not have had the issue.
that's one thing people need to keep in mind - the mazsport kits are currently limited due to the stock coils. So you'll see similar peak numbers with the high end kits. Looking strictly at the dyno numbers don't tell you the whole story - as the mazsport kit comes with stuff like engine mounts, larger injectors, upgraded fuel pump, etc. Supporting mods will help keep your car running.
If you're pushing 330 whp and your OEM pump overheats and dies, your engine will quickly die and you'll regret passing up the complete kit that would not have had the issue.
07-14-2007, 01:15 AM
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I knocked off the Greddy and SFR kits because of the customer service I received when I call the two companies. Those were the only kits that I knew were out when I got my car in 05.
Mysql101 I've only driven my car once in the winter here and that was to get my tire fixed. Never in the snow or when there was salt on the ground. So if your having no problems from Florida winters to Florida summers. I think I'll be fine with the Mazsport Kit. It seems to be the one with the most for your money. That and if the customer service is as good as everyone says then thats going to be the kit for me.
I'm going to wait for the follow emails from both PTP and Mazsport before I make my final decision, it looks like the Mazsport though.
Rick, sorry for the confusion, I wrote the wrong company I meant Greddy, I like what i seen but the customer service is what is keeping me from buying one.
About the PTP kit I was going off the C&D road test info, but then again i could be wrong.
RG, I'm not saying that I don't know what I'm doing, I just don't want to get a kit that I myself can't put in. I don't like anyone working on my car. I have a good friend that is a Mazda master tech/ mechanic. I'm having him help me/instruct the install all of the drive train and suspension parts to my car later next year. The installation of the performance parts will be done by both of us also.
Mysql101 I've only driven my car once in the winter here and that was to get my tire fixed. Never in the snow or when there was salt on the ground. So if your having no problems from Florida winters to Florida summers. I think I'll be fine with the Mazsport Kit. It seems to be the one with the most for your money. That and if the customer service is as good as everyone says then thats going to be the kit for me.
I'm going to wait for the follow emails from both PTP and Mazsport before I make my final decision, it looks like the Mazsport though.
Rick, sorry for the confusion, I wrote the wrong company I meant Greddy, I like what i seen but the customer service is what is keeping me from buying one.
About the PTP kit I was going off the C&D road test info, but then again i could be wrong.
RG, I'm not saying that I don't know what I'm doing, I just don't want to get a kit that I myself can't put in. I don't like anyone working on my car. I have a good friend that is a Mazda master tech/ mechanic. I'm having him help me/instruct the install all of the drive train and suspension parts to my car later next year. The installation of the performance parts will be done by both of us also.
07-14-2007, 07:01 AM
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i am not even sure what ptp is.... all i know is i have been in a ton of mazsport cars... they turn over everytime, they are reliable, high quality, very high quality, pleasing to the eye, and a complete kit.... i have a lot of there products on my car and they work great... engine mounts give the car a great feel and the fuel pump performs with out any starvation
07-14-2007, 10:12 AM
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It will normally take a weekend if you have all the parts to install a kit. The only thing that may take a while is getting your kit tuned by someone who knows what they are doing. Other than that good luck!
07-14-2007, 12:08 PM
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tuning doesn't take more than a few hours if they know what they are doing.
07-14-2007, 03:28 PM
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I just checked the PTP site (http://www.tuningmotorsports.com/) and they no longer have their turbo kit listed! I remember that they advertised only having 20 available, but that was the last thing I saw. I wonder if people actually bought up what they had or if PTP didn't even sell one and just pulled it. Can anyone clarify?
07-14-2007, 04:13 PM
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I just received an e-mail from Jon a PTP. He told me that they are still producing the kit. 7K with the HKS Ems. Not sure about weather or not they are made to order or if there are a stock of them.
07-15-2007, 04:28 PM
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PTP Turbo Sales documentation
I e-mailed Tuning Motorsports (PTP) about the PTP turbo kit last week and about 4 days latter I received there Sales information. I pasted the text. No dyno charts despite my request. My math says that to get everything you are at $8800 plus install and I do not see the water injection kit that they used during the car and driver test.
In my opinion this kit cost to much, Mazsport stage 1 is a much better value and there is a lot more help at there for you.
Complete Turbo Kit Mazda RX8
This kit mounts the Turbonetics T4 60 Trim Stage 5 Ball Bearing Turbo up in front of the motor and includes all the necessary hardware for a complete installation. The intercooler piping is polished aluminum with the HKS Super Sequential BOV with a large PTP front mount intercooler. The manifold and downpipe are stainless and use a 38mm Tial Wastegate. The inlet is 3” and is routed to the front bumper for the coolest air temps.
Component List Below:
The Tuner Kit: $5200
Turbonetics T4-60 Trim Stage 5 Ball Bearing Turbo
Front Mount Intercooler
Polished Intercooler Piping
Stainless Tubular Manifold with Heat Wrap
3” Stainless Downpipe
Tial 38mm Wastegate
HKS SSQV BOV
PTP Turbo Blanket
PTP Lower Radiator Hose
Turbo Feed and Return Lines
PTP Battery Box
K&N Filter
Upgraded Spark Plugs
All necessary Hardware: Couplings, Bolts, Gaskets, Clamps, etc…
Engine Management Package: $1950
HKS F-Con V-Pro
HKS Vehicle Specific RX8 Plug and Play Harness
Intake and Boost Sensors with Harnesses
Fuel Injectors and Wideband: $800
4 Upgraded Fuel Injectors (sizes differ depending on horsepower goal)
AEM Wideband Gauge
Boost Controller: $350
Greddy Profec B Spec 2
(or any boost controller comparable to this one)
Ignition: $500
HKS Twin Power DLI II with Harness
Installation: $2000
Turbo Kit, Engine Management, Injectors, Wideband, Twin Power, Boost Controller
Dyno Tuning – 250.00 with Complete Turbo kit purchase
500.00 with Tuner kit purchase
Engine Management will include a base map but should be tuned once installed
In my opinion this kit cost to much, Mazsport stage 1 is a much better value and there is a lot more help at there for you.
Complete Turbo Kit Mazda RX8
This kit mounts the Turbonetics T4 60 Trim Stage 5 Ball Bearing Turbo up in front of the motor and includes all the necessary hardware for a complete installation. The intercooler piping is polished aluminum with the HKS Super Sequential BOV with a large PTP front mount intercooler. The manifold and downpipe are stainless and use a 38mm Tial Wastegate. The inlet is 3” and is routed to the front bumper for the coolest air temps.
Component List Below:
The Tuner Kit: $5200
Turbonetics T4-60 Trim Stage 5 Ball Bearing Turbo
Front Mount Intercooler
Polished Intercooler Piping
Stainless Tubular Manifold with Heat Wrap
3” Stainless Downpipe
Tial 38mm Wastegate
HKS SSQV BOV
PTP Turbo Blanket
PTP Lower Radiator Hose
Turbo Feed and Return Lines
PTP Battery Box
K&N Filter
Upgraded Spark Plugs
All necessary Hardware: Couplings, Bolts, Gaskets, Clamps, etc…
Engine Management Package: $1950
HKS F-Con V-Pro
HKS Vehicle Specific RX8 Plug and Play Harness
Intake and Boost Sensors with Harnesses
Fuel Injectors and Wideband: $800
4 Upgraded Fuel Injectors (sizes differ depending on horsepower goal)
AEM Wideband Gauge
Boost Controller: $350
Greddy Profec B Spec 2
(or any boost controller comparable to this one)
Ignition: $500
HKS Twin Power DLI II with Harness
Installation: $2000
Turbo Kit, Engine Management, Injectors, Wideband, Twin Power, Boost Controller
Dyno Tuning – 250.00 with Complete Turbo kit purchase
500.00 with Tuner kit purchase
Engine Management will include a base map but should be tuned once installed
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07-15-2007, 10:39 PM
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Why does PTP sell a AEM Wide Band Guage with the fuel upgrade (injectors) but they leave out an upgraded fuel pump? If you do not buy the ignition upgraded the kit comes out to $8300, just add motor mounts and a upgraded fuel pump and you are all set. They are both very nice kits.
Last edited by Highway8; 07-15-2007 at 10:44 PM. Reason: Typo and addition
07-16-2007, 01:20 PM
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given the choice I'd stay as far away from ptp as possible, nobody I know of in town with half a brain trusts those guys with 8 dollars, let alone 8k for a turbo kit. For all I know their kit may be decent, (well, at least some of the parts are, but they're still charging too much) but their credibility is utter and complete crap, and if I was spending that type of $$$ I'd want to spend it at a place I know will back it up, not a place that will use my money to finish up someone else's car while I sit wating for my stuff to show up etc. Those guys are shady at best, you'd be much better off with Mazsport or an upgraded Greddy etc etc.
07-16-2007, 03:09 PM
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carnary, thanks for the advice. never would have thought, its good to have someone from the state that the company is based to give an opinion.
07-16-2007, 03:21 PM
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I only know of one person on this board who had the PTP kit but his engine blew- more than likely a result of poor tuning than crappy components but that fact that there are more Mazsport kits out there running (not to mention Scott is very nice and easy to a get a hold of and stands behind his products) speaks volumes. I vote Mazsport. I mean have you seen his stuff? It's beautiful.
07-16-2007, 03:49 PM
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Jon over at PTP has always been a stand up guy on this board. Not sure what happened to the turbo project. it seemed like the big thing on here for a long time & then it just fell off the radar.
And this is absolutely NOT a knock on Mazsport as they offer an amzing product & great customer support.
BTW, I have to laugh at your Greddy reference. Greddy, quality parts & customer service is about as far apart as you can get.
And this is absolutely NOT a knock on Mazsport as they offer an amzing product & great customer support.
BTW, I have to laugh at your Greddy reference. Greddy, quality parts & customer service is about as far apart as you can get.
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07-16-2007, 03:59 PM
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Well I just recently purchased the mazsport type 1 kit. They aren't done it it yet but considering I wanted to install it during my vacation mazsport will be sending me a couple parts first so I can install that first. Sometimes I feel bad for being hassling. =\ in my experience not including turbos, mazsport has the best service of all performance shops I've been to or called. Scott gave me a 30 minute lesson on turbos and the such when I didn't even ask about it. =) mazsport is the best. All in all I went with mazsport because of reliability and customer serrvice. I know they will be there way after the sale is completed.
