Cheap horsepower options?
06-06-2005, 05:09 PM
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Cheap horsepower options?
Okay, so I put in a K&N Filter. Of course this only icreases HP in the upper revs where the engine is breathing heavy.
Anyone know of a good way to increase low end power that won't break my budget? I'd love to super charge the Renesis, but not until this sucker is paid off.
Don't even suggest one of those "electric super chargers", They might increase boost by a a psi, not 13 like you need.
Anyone know of a good way to increase low end power that won't break my budget? I'd love to super charge the Renesis, but not until this sucker is paid off.
Don't even suggest one of those "electric super chargers", They might increase boost by a a psi, not 13 like you need.
06-06-2005, 05:39 PM
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Midpipe is probably the cheapest hp/$ gain. After that nitrous. Nothing else will add more than a few hp for much $. Unless you go to a Canzoomer piggyback unit which is not exactly cheap. Even then you are looking at more hp gain & less tq. Unless you do a turbo or nitrous there is no other product that will give you any noticeable grunt on the low & mid range.
06-07-2005, 08:50 AM
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I was thinking NO2....
But what does this do to the engine in terms of wear and tear, and how does it affect the warranty?
Performance chips sound useful, but I assume there's no basic diffenrence with the chip, you need the chip plus more air and free flow exhaust to get any benefit from chips.
Does a programmable setup seem reasonable? Esp if I expect to make incremental changes over time, as budget allows?
But what does this do to the engine in terms of wear and tear, and how does it affect the warranty?
Performance chips sound useful, but I assume there's no basic diffenrence with the chip, you need the chip plus more air and free flow exhaust to get any benefit from chips.
Does a programmable setup seem reasonable? Esp if I expect to make incremental changes over time, as budget allows?
06-07-2005, 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by pcimino
I was thinking NO2....
But what does this do to the engine in terms of wear and tear, and how does it affect the warranty?
Performance chips sound useful, but I assume there's no basic diffenrence with the chip, you need the chip plus more air and free flow exhaust to get any benefit from chips.
Does a programmable setup seem reasonable? Esp if I expect to make incremental changes over time, as budget allows?
But what does this do to the engine in terms of wear and tear, and how does it affect the warranty?
Performance chips sound useful, but I assume there's no basic diffenrence with the chip, you need the chip plus more air and free flow exhaust to get any benefit from chips.
Does a programmable setup seem reasonable? Esp if I expect to make incremental changes over time, as budget allows?
Nitrogen dioxide? That'd be unique - I bet you'd be a pioneer of sorts. Just a warning, NO2 is a pollutant, and if you have asthma, you could really hurt yourself. It's also corrosive.
06-07-2005, 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by pcimino
Okay, so I put in a K&N Filter. Of course this only icreases HP in the upper revs where the engine is breathing heavy.
Anyone know of a good way to increase low end power that won't break my budget? I'd love to super charge the Renesis, but not until this sucker is paid off.
Don't even suggest one of those "electric super chargers", They might increase boost by a a psi, not 13 like you need.
Anyone know of a good way to increase low end power that won't break my budget? I'd love to super charge the Renesis, but not until this sucker is paid off.
Don't even suggest one of those "electric super chargers", They might increase boost by a a psi, not 13 like you need.
06-07-2005, 09:34 AM
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They make a CryO2 system that uses CO2 to cool the intake, intercooler, radiator, oil coolers, ect... They claim to increase HP a good bit. I've seen it on a turbo eclipse and I plan on using it once I get my turbo on. The system is not suppost to harm anything in the engine either.
The Midpipe is just about the only mod that is reasonably price mod that gives you HP that you can feel. Mine has alot more pick up with a custom 3" exhaust than it did before, only cost about $90 too.
The Midpipe is just about the only mod that is reasonably price mod that gives you HP that you can feel. Mine has alot more pick up with a custom 3" exhaust than it did before, only cost about $90 too.
06-07-2005, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by pcimino
I was thinking NO2....
But what does this do to the engine in terms of wear and tear, and how does it affect the warranty?
Performance chips sound useful, but I assume there's no basic diffenrence with the chip, you need the chip plus more air and free flow exhaust to get any benefit from chips.
Does a programmable setup seem reasonable? Esp if I expect to make incremental changes over time, as budget allows?
But what does this do to the engine in terms of wear and tear, and how does it affect the warranty?
Performance chips sound useful, but I assume there's no basic diffenrence with the chip, you need the chip plus more air and free flow exhaust to get any benefit from chips.
Does a programmable setup seem reasonable? Esp if I expect to make incremental changes over time, as budget allows?
Most of the people who got the piggyback ECU (what you call the "chip") usually have the other mods air intake, midpipe, exhaust. Gains have been variable from 16 to 25 whp. It definitely needs to be tuned if you get it.
BTW, the K&N typhoon is junk. Widely proven to LOSE you hp. If you are going to get an intake, go for the Racing Beat REVi.
06-07-2005, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by cretinx
no $/horsepower gain like the turbo.
$3000 for 60 whp (usually 180-->240 on the dyno with exhaust, GReddy claims 238-->303).
$3000 for 60 whp (usually 180-->240 on the dyno with exhaust, GReddy claims 238-->303).
huh?
Turbo: $3000/60HP=50$/HP
piggyback (used): $400/15HP = 27$/HP
piggyback + ability to tune (both used) $500/25HP = 20$/HP
06-07-2005, 01:14 PM
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The K&N drop in may add 1/2HP or 1HP in the RX8--it is still a good buy because it slightly increases gas mileage and it pays for itself since its reuseable. Racing Beat intake coupled with a catback will get you 5-10whp--(closer to 5hp)--those will not void your warranty.
06-07-2005, 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by dmp
Nitrogen dioxide? That'd be unique - I bet you'd be a pioneer of sorts. Just a warning, NO2 is a pollutant, and if you have asthma, you could really hurt yourself. It's also corrosive.
To funny, ROFL. :D :D :D
06-07-2005, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by MadDog
huh?
Turbo: $3000/60HP=50$/HP
piggyback (used): $400/15HP = 27$/HP
piggyback + ability to tune (both used) $500/25HP = 20$/HP
Turbo: $3000/60HP=50$/HP
piggyback (used): $400/15HP = 27$/HP
piggyback + ability to tune (both used) $500/25HP = 20$/HP
06-07-2005, 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by cas2themoe
I've heard the KN Filters lower HP. I think they have a new one coming out. I'm going with the Racing Beat REVi Air Intake. But its around 300 I think.
06-07-2005, 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Fanman
You're making a lot of assumptions there. I have seen anywhere from 15 to 25 whp from the CZ, but only with other mods. It was not just 25 whp with the piggyback only. Also, even with dynoes showing around 20 whp gain, they gained like 4 ft.-lb. of tq. The turbo puts out 60 hp, but also about 60 ft.-lbs. of tq. as well. The origianl poster wants low & mid range acceleration. The CZ unit is more for top end improvement. Also let's compare apples to apples. new vs. new, not new vs. used.
06-08-2005, 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Fanman
You're making a lot of assumptions there. I have seen anywhere from 15 to 25 whp from the CZ, but only with other mods. It was not just 25 whp with the piggyback only. Also, even with dynoes showing around 20 whp gain, they gained like 4 ft.-lb. of tq. The turbo puts out 60 hp, but also about 60 ft.-lbs. of tq. as well. The origianl poster wants low & mid range acceleration. The CZ unit is more for top end improvement. Also let's compare apples to apples. new vs. new, not new vs. used.
06-08-2005, 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Fanman
You're making a lot of assumptions there. I have seen anywhere from 15 to 25 whp from the CZ, but only with other mods. It was not just 25 whp with the piggyback only. Also, even with dynoes showing around 20 whp gain, they gained like 4 ft.-lb. of tq. The turbo puts out 60 hp, but also about 60 ft.-lbs. of tq. as well. The origianl poster wants low & mid range acceleration. The CZ unit is more for top end improvement. Also let's compare apples to apples. new vs. new, not new vs. used.
I guess I wasn't addressing the intent of the orginal post. I was addressing only one thing - the assertion that the turbo is the most $/HP available. It clearly is not. The turbos aren't available used yet so you can't compare those. I simply compared the available prices on each. And, I didn't include the cost of boost gages. I guess you need those...
Even new, the CZ + CanScan is about $31/HP. New CZ alone gives you 40$/HP - both still lower than the turbo.
High-end HP is certainly more valuable and worth every penny if you want to track the car. I just got back from the track and I never got below 6kRPM anyway.
