balefire

http://scca.cdn.racersites.com/prod/...-july-solo.pdf fyi, FT-86 is now in SCCA C-Stock. more importantly, SCCA likely will move MS-R and Z0K to BS. I'm guessing the RX-8 will be a lot more competitive in CS again. Makes me miss my RX-8.

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dmitrik4

If the MS-R/Z0K move goes through (and I'm betting it will), then yes, the RX-8 should be competitive. The RX-8, 370, and BRZ/FRS are all pretty evenly matched, IMO. I think the "regular" NC is still overmatched. Each has its own strengths and weaknesses, but I think the best overall package is the RX-8.

Should be an interesting class.

IHitCones

^Agreed

and as I said in the DSP thread, please write your letters in support of the move.
http://www.sebscca.com/

tpdrx8

Thanks for the link Chris.

Letter sent.

TeamRX8

maybe competitive, it just depends if the how competitive it is against the new car and you're also overlooking how competitive the standard Miata has been over the years

dmitrik4

Way to go out on a limb there, Mark. Might be competitive; depends on how fast the other cars in class are.

"Yankees might win tonight; it depends on whether they score more runs than their opponents."

Are you talking about the NB Miata? B/c I haven't seen anyone having much success with a "regular" (i.e., non-MSR) NC.

IHitCones

Maybe Mark is alluding to putting a rear bar on a non MSR NC?

Orthonormal

Or the fact that Buetzer in a '99 Miata used to beat Isley half the time at local events?

I don't think the MS-R rear bar will work without the MS-R front bar to go with it, but a bigger rear bar may help th NC Miata..

TeamRX8

Don't overlook the 370Z either. Since we have yet to see the potential of the FT-86 it would be going out on a limb to claim anything for or against. I'm not all that impressed by it, but I could also be wrong.

Orthonormal

I'm not that impressed with the FR-S yet either. Maybe if we find out that they can get 2.5-3 degrees of camber with the crash bolts, but based on secondhand info, the one at El Toro that had crash bolts was at about 1 degree.

dmitrik4

I thought we were offering our predictions, which by definition could end up being right or wrong.

I think the RX-8, 370, and twins are all going to be pretty close to one another.

TeamRX8

Feel free to express it in your own view, as will I.

bentiac

I got to drive against a CS FR-S this weekend... stock but with r-comp + alignment. Here are the results (I'm 16th, FRS 14 and 15):

http://www.ubcscc.com/events/2012/bcchamps/DAY1_I.TXT

Keep in mind that I've got a heavy Shinka and I'm not the most competitive driver.

I also got to drive the FR-S for fun runs, here is how I would compare the two, out of the box and on all seasons:

FRS Goods
-More front end grip... great turn in
-Smoother weight transfer, specially under braking
-Good low end torque and revs up pretty high
-More headroom for helmet
-Brakes

FRS bads
-Exit speed... the rear doesn't grip
-Feels like a toyota
-Interior / user interface is less intuitive... long clutch throw... big steering wheel... lots of wasted space
-Power band is really weird... hard to get it to redline

Overall didn't feel as fast for a faster course... it might have the advantage on slower / tighter courses.