CRX Millennium

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Well, sooner or later, I was going to join the wheel stud broken club. Broke one of my rear wheel stud clean after finishing up an event. My standard practice is as follows:

1)Leave the car in 1st gear and rear parking brake on
2)Lift the car up in the air one wheel at a time via jack
3)Apply cordless impact wrench (rated 170ft/lb) to loosen OEM lug nuts,
vinyl-enclosed-deep socket all the way down making contact with rim hole
4)Swap whee/tire
5)Hand thread the lug nut back on
6)Re-apply cordless impact wrench until 2 clicks heard
7)Drop the jack and hand torque to 95ft/lb on the ground

The practice has served me well until this past weekend. One of the rear lug nut would not give, impact wrench or torque wrench (CCW). When it did eventually, the lug nut took the regularly exposed wheel stud section along with it. The broken piece is still stuck inside of removed lug nut. The fracture point is fairly clean and straight.

So what did I do wrong? Too much torque (on a freshly charged battery)? Bad OEM lug nut? The still-to-be-learned lesson will cost $110 plus parts per side at the dealer since the rear wheel stud is anything but DIY-friendly. Attached PDF shows the steps and SSTs required to do the job right.

Another solution is to use torque socket or the combination of torque stick and socket. Frequent wheel swappers please respond

mp5

I've been changing my wheels a couple times a month for the last 1.5 years and haven't had a problem yet, other than the stud threads getting a little tweaked. Your procedure is pretty much what I do, except I usually use a cordless drill with socket attachment rather than an impact wrench so I can't really overtorque anything.

Did you let things cool down after your runs before trying to change the wheels? The studs will expand with heat and could cause problems if you try to force the nuts off. That's my only guess...

ULLLOSE

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You sure are going to have problems.... Mazda says max tq of 86 ft lbs for lugs.

mp5

Actually, they revised the torque specs awhile back and upped it to 108 ft/lbs: http://www.finishlineperformance.com...2-04-1301b.pdf

Either way, does 10 ft/lbs over spec really cause any harm?

ChopsMcgraw

Do you use any anti-seize?

PedalFaster

^^^^^^^^^^

What he said. I broke a couple of studs on my S2000. Started using anti-seize, and never had a problem again.

clyde

Sigh...

The problem is the horrible OE lug nuts. We found out the hard way last year too. The OE nuts are soft and dirty. Take a brand new unused OE nut and screw it on a brand new unused stud and you can feel how rough it is. Add a little dirt, osme metal shavings from the wheel, and a bunch of wheel changes, and it's only a matter of time until the stud and or nut are galled up enough to have a problem.

When we figured this out last year, we bought some McGuard nuts from Summitt Racing (Part#: MCG-64002. The difference is like night and day. We also started using anti-seize and haven't had any problems since.

Imp

Looks like I'm living on borrowed time. No antiseize. Stock lugs. But I only torque to around 75 lbs. Didn't know it was higher than that.

1) Leave the car in 1st gear and rear parking brake on
2) Hand loosen lugs on one side of car.
3) Jack entire side of car up
3) Apply cordless DRILL to remove OEM lug nuts, rear wheel 1st.
4) Swap wheel/tire
5) Hand thread the lug nut back on
6) Re-apply cordless DRILL as far as it will go.
7) Drop the jack for back tire until wheel has contact with ground and hand torque to 75ft/lb
8) Repeat 3-7 for front tire.

I find 100+ ft/lb to be in the high range for lugs. Heck, my Subaru with AWD rally-x capabilities was 70 ft/lb. 100+ IMHO, could warp stuff if they get hot...

I haven't had any issues, nor have I had any loose lugs, even after driving my car to/from events these past couple years. Even all the way out to national events.

--kC

McCalll

Anti-seize is your friend. I'd keep the same procedure but add anti-seize every couple of months and you shouldn't have any more problems.

CRX Millennium

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A few suggestions so far:

1)Better lug nuts (McGard lists 64002 as 21mm, http://www.mcgard.com/deutschland/en...e_konisch.html)
2)Anti-seize on the thread
3)Watch out for heat with proper cool-down
4)Less torque (80 seems to be a good figure)

Should I continue break the lug nut loose using the cordless wrench with the tire off the ground? On or off the ground makes any difference?

For those who were brave enough to change rear wheel stud on your own, was it worth the aggravation/time/swearing?

ULLLOSE

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That is insane... You would kill those things at that tq. Might be okay for the regular guy that takes wheels off once a year, but if you do it every weekend they will not take it.

ULLLOSE

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I have done one of each, it is easy. Give it a wack with a hammer and it will pop out. Then use a spare nut and some washers to pull the new one in. If you rotate it to the right spot both front and rear can be done with only taking off the wheel.

CRX Millennium

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Is that so? The bolts sit atop of brake shield in the attached pdf. How would hammering affect the wheel bearing? If I was to cut the damaged bolt short, than backing it out should by easy. The problem is putting the new long bolt in with limited clearance space.

I think the board will benefit in a huge way, if Jason can do a DIY on the rear. The front is here in case anyone is interested: https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-do-yourself-forum-73/diy-replacing-front-wheel-studs-73670/

ULLLOSE

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I did it like a year ago and it went so quick I can not remember. I took nothing off but the wheel. There is room to fish a new full size one in there. I will have the tires off later today and will look at it. I tend to like to find ways to do things with as little work as possible, I am lazy and I like to know I could do it at an event without special tools. Kind of like I am the only one doing rear shocks without taking the rear suspension apart.

As far as the wheel bearing if it can not take a couple of hits with the hammer I don't think we should race the car with sticky tires on.

John V

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Mazda specs them at 108ft-lbs, so 108ft-lbs is what we torque them to. And yes, doing it every weekend they will take it, assuming you use anti-seize and decent lug nuts (not the factory ones). I think we only applied the anti-seize once and the lugs have not given us any problems since.

TeamRX8

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I've always used 108 lb-ft torque with aftermarket nuts, never an issue and I won't run less

McCalll

Same here. Good aftermarket nuts and I torque at 105.

TrackAddict

Clyde - thanks for the tip on the lug nuts. I have had to replace 2 front lugs and had a rear lug fixed. I just ordered some McGard lug nuts as I had no idea the stock lugs are what may have caused this. I started using anti-seize recently and all is well so far.

CRX Millennium

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Situational update: dealer replaced the rear wheel stud, due to not being able to find any clear instructions on DIY. According to the dealer, wheel bearing, brake caliper, and hub assembly all had to be removed to get one little bolt replaced. Thanks to great Mazda engineering! 2 hr labor charge ~!@$

Bought the good-quality McGard 64002 (M12x1.5) from PepBoys for $8/4-lug-nuts and anti-seize. Torn about applying anti-seize due to overwhelming recommendations from those of you who swear by the lubricant, while tons of warnings can be found against the practice. See:
NASA Stress Test
http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forum...lug-nut-studs/
ScoobyMods
http://www.scoobymods.com/forums/arc...hp/t-2884.html
TireRack
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tirete....jsp?techid=39
MotorAge
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...4/ai_n15692083

One thing for sure, I will try to use air compressor to clean the stud thread and enclosed lug nuts.

BlueRenesis82

with the McGard lugs it looks like they will fit my 21mm socket, I would like to confirm that? Anyone who has em.

CRX Millennium

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Yes, it's fine. 13/16in = 20.6mm. Close enough.

BlueRenesis82

umm, I would like to make sure I don't round em off with my impact gun tho, that thing makes like 300 lb/ft

clyde

I've been using a 21mm impact socket with cordless impact gun for at least the last 30 wheel change cycles. No issues yet.

BTW, the $90 (after $10 mail in rebate) I spent at PepBoys for their 24v Goodyear Racing cordless impact gun is probably the best $90 I've ever spent on autocross related "stuff." Only twice have I had to resort to a breaker bar in those 30 wheel change cycles (=1200 lugnut removal instances) with the wheels up in the air.

BlueRenesis82

hmm, my Milwaukee one was significantly more expensive. Maybe when/if it dies I'll look into that one.

CRX Millennium

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+1 for Pepboys' 24v Goodyear Racing cordless impact gun. One NiCd charge lasted 9 wheel change cycles (off and on as 1).