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Regarding the slushbox, given a world without traffic; I'd have no reservations about going with Mazda's famous crisp-shifting 6-speed stick. But I'm thinking I'll like not having to do the old clutch/gearshift shuffle when I'm stuck everyday, on that great parking lot we call the freeway.
I just wish the autobox didn't carry the HP and RPM deficit. I think the handling and other attributes of the RX-8 can make up for the performance loss though.
Ohhh, most noticably since about 1992 or so. I don't think it would hold a candle to the traffic in L.A.; it was bad enough in 1986 when I lived there briefly. (after they become passe, we catch up with all the trends there eventually, except nice weather and earthquakes)
Auto tranny is standard (well, mandatory) on the low-power version, and the World of Wheels article eluded to the fact that it will be the base model, and that you'll have to shell out a few more clams to get 250 HP, upgraded brakes/suspension, and a 6-speed.
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Originally posted by Grimace Auto tranny is standard (well, mandatory) on the low-power version, and the World of Wheels article eluded to the fact that it will be the base model, and that you'll have to shell out a few more clams to get 250 HP, upgraded brakes/suspension, and a 6-speed.
Hmm, that's not what they were saying at SevenStock. Mazda said the 6spd would be standard, as I recall (as would LSD!).
Here's what I posted the day after SevenStock, regarding what Mazda officials said at that time.
- Base price around $26k, loaded ones around $31k [they wouldn't give us any definite numbers but I was pleased to hear this -- I was expecting $30k for starters]
- 6 speed standard
- LSD standard [thank you Mazda!!]
- 18x8" wheels [yowza...]
- 12.7" front discs [forgot how big the rears were]
- 0-60... you had to have been there, but I believe a subtle hint was given on this one at "around 6 seconds." It was very indirect.
- 250hp and 159ft-lbs. 90% of that torque is available throughout most of the rev range (I forget the exact RPMs, but suffice it to say the torque curve should look more like a torque line.
- The speaker stressed the RX-8 would definitely weigh UNDER 3,000 lbs. Hooray.
- Bose stereo system standard [eh... I hear Bose is more image than sound quality]
- Hints of a ~300hp Mazdaspeed version in the future...
I just hope they haven't changed these plans (except for the Bose, they can ditch that anytime ).
I don't remember where I read this (probably here ) but the RENESIS is cheaper for Mazda to produce than the V6 in the 6s sedan. That probably goes a ways to help reduce their costs for the RX-8. And if they do produce ~50,000 worldwide in the first year, economies of scale should give them another advantage over the S2k, for example.
As for the 3rd gen. with the 12A: maybe not, but the naturally aspirated 13B of that time would have been a good alternative to the turbo motor. At least for those who wanted the crisp handling of the FD in a lighter, simpler, and cheaper car without as many reliability issues. Although it wouldn't have had the killer velocity of the twin turbo, maybe it would have allowed the rotary to stay on the U.S. market longer.
I'm sure the lower powered Renesis w/auto won't be as popular as the 6-speed, but at least one person (I) might like the automatic for the sake of ease of driving, and would be willing to give up a bit in the way of straight-line performance. Hopefully, not too much though!
The 6 looks like a nice car, but it doesn't have what it takes (the Wankel, rear wheel drive, lower and centralized weight) for me to be interested in owning one. Anyway, if I get the RX-8 with a slushbox, I'll still have my 85' RX-7 with 5-speeds to row through when I feel like it.
Originally posted by KKMmaniac I'm sure the lower powered Renesis w/auto won't be as popular as the 6-speed
i'm not so sure about that... you've gotta remember that this car isn't going to have the same audience as the RX-7 did... it'll be a kind of blend of people looking for something smaller and sportier than a V6 Accord/whatever, and those lookin for something larger and more utile than their sports car they've had for years and years.
some of these people will be over the stick shift, and would welcome a torquey, simple automatic. some people may not even think that they'd like to have a stick in the first place... let's not also forget how many people may like this car, and not know how to drive it (or their spouse doesn't know how, or their children don't know how, etc...), but need to have a car flexible, should the need arise, yes??
so, this car should be plenty successful in automatic trim as well.