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There seems to actually been a couple of attempts at a Mazdaspeed RX-8 by Mazda. In each case it appeared to be poorly planned and just bumbled by Mazda. In the U.S. it seems Mazda contracted out to have a SuperCharged RX-8 built, but it failed. Odd though that Blitz and later Pettit could figure out how to build one, but Mazdaspeed could not. In Japan, it appears a Mazdaspeed RX-8 was in the planning stage to be offered, but with little HP gain, just things like body kit, Mazdaspeed exhaust, struts, etc.... I suppose, because it was not an HP upgrade and maybe they thought it would not sell that it got scrubbed, but there were some Japanese magazines from way back in 2004 that showed the Mazdaspeed RX-8 and that includes with the logo.
Mazda just plain fumbled when it came to a Mazdaspeed RX-8. There really is no excuse, especially at this point for Mazda to not have a Mazdaspeed RX-8. The only possible reason for not having an MS8, would be a new rotary engine by 2009. Time will tell, but it just makes Mazda look really bad to have MS3s outrunning the NA RX-8 (its own flagship sports car) and no MS8 in sight.
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Meh. If I thought the MS3 was a better car, I would have bought one. It is what it is - a turbo hatch ala the Srt-4, Cobalt SS, GTI All have more ***** than the 8 and I wouldn't trade my car for any 2 of them (other than to sell and buy back my 8). I don't think being the Mazda flagship requires that you have the best 1/4 mile times considering the general non-compatibility of the 8 and the drag strip.
There seems to actually been a couple of attempts at a Mazdaspeed RX-8 by Mazda. In each case it appeared to be poorly planned and just bumbled by Mazda. In the U.S. it seems Mazda contracted out to have a SuperCharged RX-8 built, but it failed.Odd though that Blitz and later Pettit could figure out how to build one, but Mazdaspeed could not. In Japan, it appears a Mazdaspeed RX-8 was in the planning stage to be offered, but with little HP gain, just things like body kit, Mazdaspeed exhaust, struts, etc.... I suppose, because it was not an HP upgrade and maybe they thought it would not sell that it got scrubbed, but there were some Japanese magazines from way back in 2004 that showed the Mazdaspeed RX-8 and that includes with the logo.
Mazda just plain fumbled when it came to a Mazdaspeed RX-8. There really is no excuse, especially at this point for Mazda to not have a Mazdaspeed RX-8. The only possible reason for not having an MS8, would be a new rotary engine by 2009. Time will tell, but it just makes Mazda look really bad to have MS3s outrunning the NA RX-8 (its own flagship sports car) and no MS8 in sight.
I don't even know where to begin...Mazda didn't "bumble" anything. If they believed there was a market, they'd build the car.
So Blitz and Pettit came up with a SC, why does that mean Mazda couldn't figure out how to do the same??? Mazda can build the RX-8 any way they wish, and they didn't "fail". Just because the aftermarket filled the void doesn't point to Mazda's incompetence. Anything Pettit can do, so can Mazda's engineers. Mazda has a history of building factory forced induction rotaries that last 100K+.
There is always a market for more HP...a 270hp rx8 would sell better than 230hp. No question about that. And that won't compromise anything about the handling or feel.
I am a little tired of rx8 and mx5 owners always making excuses about the lack of straight line performance by saying well at least the handling feel is great. There can be both, why have only good handling when both can be had.
8's and miatas are both rwd, light weight, great transmission, great chassis...why not add hp/tq to the equation?
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There is always a market for more HP...a 270hp rx8 would sell better than 230hp. No question about that. And that won't compromise anything about the handling or feel.
But it will compromise the 8's gas mileage which IMO is already one of the biggest drawbacks of the car N/A.
But it will compromise the 8's gas mileage which IMO is already one of the biggest drawbacks of the car N/A.
So mazda is incapable of creating a powerplant with decent power and the same gas mileageas it does now...
I am not talking about taking the current engine and redoing it for more power, i am saying mazda could have developed it from the beginning to have more power
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This thread is full of failure.......infact I think I just reverse splooged
Honestly, I think this has been beaten to death, but one of the big reasons mazda won't get the power up and release a FI RX-8 is because they still remember the financial ***-whooping they took with the RX-7. Warranty work was high, profits were low.
It would be tough to get power on a 1.3L to 270hp without FI, and that means moving the car upmarket to where mazda has already been burnt before.
Sorry to say, but I think if the RX-7 had been more of a financial success we wouldn't be in this situation...
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I still can't believe that people keep thinking that Mazda makes a MS RX8...
However, talking to an Executive from Mazda head quarter, they are doing R&D on the new RX8... the power would be anywhere from 320-350... This won't happen for another couple years tho before they release the new version.
hks tested the ms3 with a cai, turboback exhaust and bov, it put down 288 pounds of torque to the wheels. and yes i've seen it in person and drove it..amazing..
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Honestly, I think this has been beaten to death, but one of the big reasons mazda won't get the power up and release a FI RX-8 is because they still remember the financial ***-whooping they took with the RX-7. Warranty work was high, profits were low.
It would be tough to get power on a 1.3L to 270hp without FI, and that means moving the car upmarket to where mazda has already been burnt before.
Sorry to say, but I think if the RX-7 had been more of a financial success we wouldn't be in this situation...
Um I doubt that's a significant reason. Building a turbo or supercharger that can be 100k reliable (to disprove the myth that rotaries blow up instantly) and pass U.S emissions is why. Bringing the rotary back in the first place was a risky move on it's own.
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I still can't believe that people keep thinking that Mazda makes a MS RX8...
However, talking to an Executive from Mazda head quarter, they are doing R&D on the new RX8... the power would be anywhere from 320-350... This won't happen for another couple years tho before they release the new version.
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More rumors ftw?
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I hope it's not a rumor Raptor2k... According to one of the executive at Mazda Canada, told me that they are doing R&D in Japan as we speak but it's not a easiest thing to work on getting another rotary engine with that kind of power and also good on gas in production.
I doubt the MS8 would be coming at least for a little while longer if at all...Mazda wants to prevent cannablizing the sales of the MS3/6 for as long as possible...when the platform is about two years due for a change then we might see a new RX with the fabled new engine, but till then I dont think it would be called a MS8. FI would also be nice but again highly doubtful considering that it would be too expensive to certify and bring to market since it would be unique to the platform costing even more money. Best thing we might see is a better rotary producing more HP in N/A trim in perhaps a deviation of the current chassis.
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