Amazing view of a RX8 crash
glad to see you're ok man.
06-17-2010, 07:29 PM
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Pretty cool video ... amazing how fast **** goes bad. And no, DSC would have done nothing to help you. I'm glad you made it through as well as you did, it could have been much much worse.
Wear shoes next time you're going for a back roads drive
Wear shoes next time you're going for a back roads drive
06-17-2010, 09:36 PM
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wow, crazy! glad your ok! i dont think counter steering or DSC or anything else would have saved you from the accident, it all happens so fast with the speed of car and the road being what it was you had no time to even possibly think of what to do.
Only way to find out is to do the same thing again and find out what works best.. J.K.
Good luck with the healing,
Only way to find out is to do the same thing again and find out what works best.. J.K.
Good luck with the healing,
06-17-2010, 09:45 PM
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https://www.rx8club.com/canada-forum-35/%5Bcanada%5Damazing-view-rx8-crash-199372/
Guess these guys are really calling you out in this thread..
Guess these guys are really calling you out in this thread..
06-18-2010, 08:46 AM
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Glad you are ok, I watched the video a few times on youtube. Is it because of the "lift-off" that started the **** like someone commented or it happened way too fast to respond?
06-18-2010, 11:14 AM
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Glad your ok as others have said...
I will say though that i think you pissed off a dove when you went into the ditch if you listen to the video.
I will say though that i think you pissed off a dove when you went into the ditch if you listen to the video.
06-18-2010, 12:38 PM
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My guess is that with a lot of country back roads, the surface simply isn't smooth. The Boxster hit the crest at a different angle and place and thus wasn't disrupted as badly, although you can see his rear end wiggle a bit. You happened to hit at just the wrong spot, they often purposefully shape roads so there's a slight crest in the middle and slopes down on either side ... for better drainage. I bet if you'd been fully in the right hand lane this wouldn't have happened, but you were kinda riding the middle.
Sometime when you're feeling up to it, go back to that corner and get out of the car to check it out.
06-18-2010, 12:58 PM
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Wow, crazy crash. The video still doesn't do it justice as I couldn't tell how far you went into the woods.
You're lucky to be in the shape you're in. I've seen cars go off the sides of mountains here in Arizona and people not fair quite as well.
I'm not trying to beat a dead horse here. This underscores the one major danger of pushing limits on the street is the unpredictable nature of roads. Debris, off-camber turns and weird designs all can create situations like this one.
I'm in no position to lecture anyone as I have my favorite driving spots that I like as well.
You're lucky to be in the shape you're in. I've seen cars go off the sides of mountains here in Arizona and people not fair quite as well.
I'm not trying to beat a dead horse here. This underscores the one major danger of pushing limits on the street is the unpredictable nature of roads. Debris, off-camber turns and weird designs all can create situations like this one.
I'm in no position to lecture anyone as I have my favorite driving spots that I like as well.
06-19-2010, 08:07 PM
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Glad your ok and can tell about and learn from this experiance. But something you said doesn't seem right to me.
Slowing down would have for sure helped but not the braking.
Braking over a crest is a big no no - you don't want the weight forward because if your car is airborne and not straight (just like your crash) this swings the rear end out... Less weight on the back = less traction or worse no traction.
My money is on that you let off the throttle and this put your weight forward helping causing this crash. Obviously not the only factor but 1 of many contributors.
But in the end I'm glad you're ok and manned up to it... I had a similar situation that shook me up really bad.
If I would have taken take curve straight, a bit slower and would have hit the brakes to shift the wheigt on the front wheels
Braking over a crest is a big no no - you don't want the weight forward because if your car is airborne and not straight (just like your crash) this swings the rear end out... Less weight on the back = less traction or worse no traction.
My money is on that you let off the throttle and this put your weight forward helping causing this crash. Obviously not the only factor but 1 of many contributors.
But in the end I'm glad you're ok and manned up to it... I had a similar situation that shook me up really bad.
06-19-2010, 08:14 PM
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I think you're right on that. What I meant concerning the breaking was breaking just before the crest. That's what my racing intructors told me to do on the track.
Anyway there is now way to change the past, what's done it's done.
I'm still a bit shaken like you said and I hope it will stay forever so I can remember what happened that day and I can drive more intelligently.
On the good side now, I have way more money to spend on many other things that I neglected when I had my car. I was always thinking about what would be the next upgrade.
Now the next car will be one that I will not upgrade or if I do that will be only slight upgrades light the exhaust or something similar. I am seriously looking for a 2009 Cayman S with the PDK transmission and the PASM suspension.
But that's not for tomorow 
Anyway there is now way to change the past, what's done it's done.
I'm still a bit shaken like you said and I hope it will stay forever so I can remember what happened that day and I can drive more intelligently.
On the good side now, I have way more money to spend on many other things that I neglected when I had my car. I was always thinking about what would be the next upgrade.
Now the next car will be one that I will not upgrade or if I do that will be only slight upgrades light the exhaust or something similar. I am seriously looking for a 2009 Cayman S with the PDK transmission and the PASM suspension.
But that's not for tomorow
06-21-2010, 10:27 AM
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First of all, pgrothe, I'm glad you aren't any worse off than you are. Second, hats off to you for the post and the video. This kind of thing can be a huge learning experience for anyone, unfortunately at your expense.
To me, it's very obvious what went wrong. Like a motorcycle crash, there were a number of factors that lead to that crash, speed being one of the largest. Not than I'm judging. We've probably ALL been in similar positions before. Any way, it's obvious that you were transitioning from a right sweeper into the left one when you crested that hill. You can see by the angle of your wheel that you were transitioning into a left turn. Add a little speed and a quick enough elevation change to eliminate your traction and nothing, not your DSC, not being in a Boxster (or any other car), nothing could help.
The boxster likely hit that crest at closer to a 90 degree angle and may have been going slower...or slow enough to maintain traction, given his speed and suspension.
Again, I'm not preaching. I've assumed those same risks on both four wheels and two. The moral of the story is...and I'm reminding myself too...save the really aggressive driving for the track. If you want to do it on the street, do the best you can to limit your risks: know the road conditions, know your limits and know the limits of your car.
Hope you're back in the saddle soon, pgrothe. Thanks again for a very useful post.
To me, it's very obvious what went wrong. Like a motorcycle crash, there were a number of factors that lead to that crash, speed being one of the largest. Not than I'm judging. We've probably ALL been in similar positions before. Any way, it's obvious that you were transitioning from a right sweeper into the left one when you crested that hill. You can see by the angle of your wheel that you were transitioning into a left turn. Add a little speed and a quick enough elevation change to eliminate your traction and nothing, not your DSC, not being in a Boxster (or any other car), nothing could help.
The boxster likely hit that crest at closer to a 90 degree angle and may have been going slower...or slow enough to maintain traction, given his speed and suspension.
Again, I'm not preaching. I've assumed those same risks on both four wheels and two. The moral of the story is...and I'm reminding myself too...save the really aggressive driving for the track. If you want to do it on the street, do the best you can to limit your risks: know the road conditions, know your limits and know the limits of your car.
Hope you're back in the saddle soon, pgrothe. Thanks again for a very useful post.
07-07-2010, 08:58 PM
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This guy had weight transfer issue in his setup, AND he lifted at the wrong place. I watched the video over and over again, I didn't see any of his wheel actually leaving the ground. If he had DSC it'd have saved it. The whole point of DSC is to slam on the brake at the corner that got light.
