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Until I see the actual car that will be in production, when it will be for sale, the engine it has and all the specs as well as a price, I don't believe a word of anything RX-7 or 16x related. I'm getting sick of all the rumors.
So weird how everybody is posting about this again. It's STILL about the same thing over and over. Except this one says it's going to go with a more conventional look, which kind of makes me sad. I would love some Furai in it. But, if the costs keep low and it sells more, by all means.
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I kinda doubt it. but hmm, consider Mazda is getting Full control again, the Rotary R&D department should be fully funded, unlike the early Renesis days (another reason for me to hate Ford, Go fu-ck urself Ford)
So lets just hope its really coming out in 2011 model (meaning we get it next year) ~~~
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^ thats true i really hope they throw more money at the rotary so we can have a new rx car
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When everybody is losing, it doesnt matter (money)
They did RX-8 kinda right, if they came out with 3 oil nozzle in the first place, the engine problem might not even exist, which cost Mazda millions of dollars.
lets see what happens next year or 2 ...
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A similar article from WCF........200-250hp? Competing with the Genesis and the FT-86??? Was hoping for a bit more out of the next gen RX-7, but we will have to see.
I'd like to think that mazda has managed to keep something great as a huge secret. It would make quite a bit of news if they unexpectedly announced something beyond what everyone was expecting.
I'd like to think that mazda has managed to keep something great as a huge secret. It would make quite a bit of news if they unexpectedly announced something beyond what everyone was expecting.
One can dream...
I think about that possibility too but stuff like that doesn't really happen in today's auto world. With the internet and media you pretty much know everything thats coming out well ahead of time and it would be damn near impossible to keep something like that a secret nowadays without it getting leaked somewhere along the line. If anything keeping it a secret will hurt Mazda because there may be many RX8 owners who are currently in the market for another car or will be soon and if they knew about the next rotary car, maybe they'd hold out a little longer and wait for it. If not... and if they still want a sports car/sports coupe...they will move on to another brand. I don't think they are going to get many to buy a second RX-8 without the main issues being addressed.
There is some twisted person responsible for all these lies. Can't be true, since people have already said Mazda will only use "rx9" as the next name, not going backwards onto retired models. An "rx7 returns" would be like the Phantom Menace compared to the originals.
Even if true, they still missed the train. By designing for what happened in the past, instead of looking to the future, they're guaranteed to have the wrong product at the wrong time.
If I designed a "modest" car today, I would be screwed in 2012 when everyone is tired of "modest" and ready to get crazy again.
2011 is ambitious for a car that hasn't been seen in concept form.
Not for nothing, but there have been about 5 concepts that this car, or these cars, can pull design ques from. Concepts don't always have to reveal themselves for there intended offspring by name. The Nagare, Ryuga, Hakaze, Taiki, and Furai will be used as concepts for the next rotary car/cars.
I kinda doubt it. but hmm, consider Mazda is getting Full control again, the Rotary R&D department should be fully funded, unlike the early Renesis days (another reason for me to hate Ford, Go fu-ck urself Ford)
So lets just hope its really coming out in 2011 model (meaning we get it next year) ~~~
That's the one thing we can be sure of: We will not get a brand new RX vehicle as a 2011 model. We stand a better chance of 2013 maybe which would mean that Mazda would reveal some of their hand VERY soon. They have openly expressed that they were delayed with the engine so I would suggest the earliest we could get something is 2012 as a 2013. Even that doesn't make sense unless they have been doing much more development than we know.
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"However, sources close to Mazda now suggest that the company will take a simpler approach and create a car whose character evokes the original RX-7 (sold in the U.S. from 1979-1985). Horsepower is expected to be in the 200-250 range and the pricetag will be about $25,000.
...we hear Mazda is still trying to reduce the weight of the 16X engine while lowering fuel consumption (the age-old problem with rotaries)"
Sounds like to me that they are gonna use the new and improved 09-10 renny engine(200-250hp) and put it in a lightweight 2-seater in a FB throwback body for now, until they get the 16x up and running right then make it the RX7 throwback body style.
Kinda like what Mustang did with the fourth and fifth gen, both revivals of previous popular body styles...looks like Ford still has influence on Mazda after all.
Business wise it makes sense to get their moneys worth out of this engine (in a lightweight two-seater better gas mpg/performance) before going to the 16x and getting all the bugs out before going through all the heartache it did last time. Just my speculation.
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Heres my take. First of all, I honestly think its all B.S. Less than a month ago Mazda released a statement, both directly and indirectly that the 16X wasn't done. There were articles stating this, and the lack of a Rotary at their SKY Engine show was confirmation in my eyes.
However, If this is true... here is what I see happening.
1. Mazda was\is using the S2 RX8 to test out the engine design, but due to low sales, not much feedback. Mazda will release a lighter car, with a slightly upgraded S2 Renny, OR a De-Tuned 16X, and use that for feedback etc.
2. Depending on such feedback, they will release the 350 HP version and blow peoples minds, with 2-3 Rotaries in the line-up.
Interestingly enough, every RX car has received HP upgrades throughout its lifetime except the RX8. I'd like to see Mazda drop a newer engine in this, and lets see what happens. Its already been stated in the Industry that the RX8 is a car with 1 flaw mostly, its engine. So lets fix that and see how sales change.
If whats been recently said is true, I'd like to see
1. FC based RX7 2400 lbs. 250 HP, 2 seats.
2. Kabura Based Rx7 2600 lbs 350HP\215 Lb\ft version 2seats
3. RX8 based, or keep it exact. 2900 lbs. 350 HP, 4 Seats.
These cars would create a great Rotary lineup, and cover a lot of consumers desires.
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I say put the renniy in the mx-5, change the final gear, upgrade the suspension and make the car a bit wider . Do the same test as Symbioticgenius suggested, he truly is a genious.
That would be a great idea for us Rotor heads, but would seem like a huge step in 'Riskville" for Mazda to have 3 Rotary cars in the line-up. I just can't wait for some official news from Mazda!
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