Return of the ROTARY
10-08-2011, 08:59 AM
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Return of the ROTARY
Mazda Motor Corporation just stated on their facebook page that they are working hard to bring the next generation rotary engine car:
Thank you for all your encouraging comments about the RX-8 and the rotary engine. They are highly appreciated.
Although we cannot announce any specifics, we can assure you that Mazda is working hard on a number of technological breakthroughs in the development of a next-generation rotary engine car. At the same time, Mazda’s spirit of challenge is also driving the advancement of our breakthrough SKYACTIV TECHNOLOGY. Your fantastic support will keep us moving forward!
So fear not, rotary engine fans. I think we may have a brief pause prior to the rotary's re-entrance.
Paul.
Thank you for all your encouraging comments about the RX-8 and the rotary engine. They are highly appreciated.
Although we cannot announce any specifics, we can assure you that Mazda is working hard on a number of technological breakthroughs in the development of a next-generation rotary engine car. At the same time, Mazda’s spirit of challenge is also driving the advancement of our breakthrough SKYACTIV TECHNOLOGY. Your fantastic support will keep us moving forward!
So fear not, rotary engine fans. I think we may have a brief pause prior to the rotary's re-entrance.
Paul.
10-08-2011, 09:17 AM
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hey no fair i was coming to post this. stupid time zomes
and also
http://www.facebook.com/mazdacom
Mazda Motor Corporation
Thank you for all your encouraging comments about the RX-8 and the rotary engine. They are highly appreciated.
Although we cannot announce any specifics, we can assure you that Mazda is working hard on a number of technological breakthroughs in the development of a next-generation rotary engine car. At the same time, Mazda’s spirit of challenge is also driving the advancement of our breakthrough SKYACTIV TECHNOLOGY. Your fantastic support will keep us moving forward!
Thank you for all your encouraging comments about the RX-8 and the rotary engine. They are highly appreciated.
Although we cannot announce any specifics, we can assure you that Mazda is working hard on a number of technological breakthroughs in the development of a next-generation rotary engine car. At the same time, Mazda’s spirit of challenge is also driving the advancement of our breakthrough SKYACTIV TECHNOLOGY. Your fantastic support will keep us moving forward!
RX-8とロータリーエンジンへのたくさんの応援やコメントをいただき、ありがとうございます。感激で胸を熱くし ております。具体的な内容についてはコメントできませんが、現在マツダでは技術的なブレークスルー実現を目 指し、次世代を担うロータリーエンジンを搭載した新型車を鋭意開発中です。マツダのチャレンジ精神は、新世 代技術「SKYACTIV TECHNOLOGY」にも受け継がれています。皆様の温かい応援が何よりの励みです。これからもどうぞよ ろしくお願いいたします。
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10-08-2011, 02:31 PM
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10-09-2011, 01:28 AM
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10-09-2011, 09:28 AM
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Just drop the S2 engine into the Miata----PLEASE--and NOW before Toyato gets the FT 86 and Subaru gets the BMZ to the dealerships. Mazda will loose an opportunity if they dont. Many folks will drop Mazda and go elsewhere if they dont. Its harder to get folks back than it is to keep them.
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10-09-2011, 10:53 AM
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Just drop the S2 engine into the Miata----PLEASE--and NOW before Toyato gets the FT 86 and Subaru gets the BMZ to the dealerships. Mazda will loose an opportunity if they dont. Many folks will drop Mazda and go elsewhere if they dont. Its harder to get folks back than it is to keep them.
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10-09-2011, 11:33 AM
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The current S2 Renesis in the current NC Miata would be a serious contender.
Miata guys don't want their beloved Miata tarnished by the addition of the rotary?
Easy answer, make the hard top non-removable, stick some different skin and a new badge on it.
2012 Mustang GT = 3,603 with 412hp = 8.74bs per hp
2012 Camero SS is 3,820 with 426hp = 8.96bs per hp
Renesis NC = 2,400lbs with 232hp = 10.34bs per hp
2012 Genesis is 3,389lbs with 306hp = 11.07bs per hp
2012 Evo X is 3,400lbs with 295hp = 11.52bs per hp
S1 RX-8 (base MT) 2950 with 232hp = 12.71lbs per hp
Seems like such a no-brainer to me. We already know it fits the chassis, because the NC was the test chassis for the engine during development, and the several Renesis NC swaps prove it out even further how easy it is. At the factory it would be ridiculously simple.
Miata guys don't want their beloved Miata tarnished by the addition of the rotary?
Easy answer, make the hard top non-removable, stick some different skin and a new badge on it.
2012 Mustang GT = 3,603 with 412hp = 8.74bs per hp
2012 Camero SS is 3,820 with 426hp = 8.96bs per hp
Renesis NC = 2,400lbs with 232hp = 10.34bs per hp
2012 Genesis is 3,389lbs with 306hp = 11.07bs per hp
2012 Evo X is 3,400lbs with 295hp = 11.52bs per hp
S1 RX-8 (base MT) 2950 with 232hp = 12.71lbs per hp
Seems like such a no-brainer to me. We already know it fits the chassis, because the NC was the test chassis for the engine during development, and the several Renesis NC swaps prove it out even further how easy it is. At the factory it would be ridiculously simple.
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10-09-2011, 12:29 PM
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The current S2 Renesis in the current NC Miata would be a serious contender.
Miata guys don't want their beloved Miata tarnished by the addition of the rotary?
Easy answer, make the hard top non-removable, stick some different skin and a new badge on it.
2012 Mustang GT = 3,603 with 412hp = 8.74hp per pound
2012 Camero SS is 3,820 with 426hp = 8.96hp per pound
Renesis NC = 2,400lbs with 232hp = 10.34hp per pound
2012 Genesis is 3,389lbs with 306hp = 11.07 hp per pound
2012 Evo X is 3,400lbs with 295hp = 11.52hp per pound.
S1 RX-8 (base MT) 2950 with 232hp = 12.71hp per pound
Seems like such a no-brainer to me. We already know it fits the chassis, because the NC was the test chassis for the engine during development, and the several Renesis NC swaps prove it out even further how easy it is. At the factory it would be ridiculously simple.
Miata guys don't want their beloved Miata tarnished by the addition of the rotary?
Easy answer, make the hard top non-removable, stick some different skin and a new badge on it.
2012 Mustang GT = 3,603 with 412hp = 8.74hp per pound
2012 Camero SS is 3,820 with 426hp = 8.96hp per pound
Renesis NC = 2,400lbs with 232hp = 10.34hp per pound
2012 Genesis is 3,389lbs with 306hp = 11.07 hp per pound
2012 Evo X is 3,400lbs with 295hp = 11.52hp per pound.
S1 RX-8 (base MT) 2950 with 232hp = 12.71hp per pound
Seems like such a no-brainer to me. We already know it fits the chassis, because the NC was the test chassis for the engine during development, and the several Renesis NC swaps prove it out even further how easy it is. At the factory it would be ridiculously simple.
I'm not sure that would be a good idea actually.
Yes, a NC rotary would be pretty epic but think of it this way. I'm not sure the reputation of the miata, being a fun tossable roadster, would work. That much power would change into a serious sports car.
Then there's this problem. Let's assume that for the last years of it's life the NC came with a renesis engine option. Then in 2013/14 the ND goes on sale with it's SA tech.
Assuming the ND reaches it's target weight of 2200lbs with comparable power to the current ND (167hp US spec) then you'd go from a 10.34 lb/hp to 13.17 lb/hp. I imagine it would get the same harsh criticism as the 8 (specifically that it's "not as good as the FD") Especially if the NC-rx is popular I think a lot of people would become greatly disappointed by the drop in power, even with the great leap in fuel economy.
It might be great for the short term but not for the long term.
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10-09-2011, 12:57 PM
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The current S2 Renesis in the current NC Miata would be a serious contender.
Miata guys don't want their beloved Miata tarnished by the addition of the rotary?
Easy answer, make the hard top non-removable, stick some different skin and a new badge on it.
2012 Mustang GT = 3,603 with 412hp = 8.74hp per pound
2012 Camero SS is 3,820 with 426hp = 8.96hp per pound
Renesis NC = 2,400lbs with 232hp = 10.34hp per pound
2012 Genesis is 3,389lbs with 306hp = 11.07 hp per pound
2012 Evo X is 3,400lbs with 295hp = 11.52hp per pound.
S1 RX-8 (base MT) 2950 with 232hp = 12.71hp per pound
Seems like such a no-brainer to me. We already know it fits the chassis, because the NC was the test chassis for the engine during development, and the several Renesis NC swaps prove it out even further how easy it is. At the factory it would be ridiculously simple.
Miata guys don't want their beloved Miata tarnished by the addition of the rotary?
Easy answer, make the hard top non-removable, stick some different skin and a new badge on it.
2012 Mustang GT = 3,603 with 412hp = 8.74hp per pound
2012 Camero SS is 3,820 with 426hp = 8.96hp per pound
Renesis NC = 2,400lbs with 232hp = 10.34hp per pound
2012 Genesis is 3,389lbs with 306hp = 11.07 hp per pound
2012 Evo X is 3,400lbs with 295hp = 11.52hp per pound.
S1 RX-8 (base MT) 2950 with 232hp = 12.71hp per pound
Seems like such a no-brainer to me. We already know it fits the chassis, because the NC was the test chassis for the engine during development, and the several Renesis NC swaps prove it out even further how easy it is. At the factory it would be ridiculously simple.
I think you mean lbs per hp??
10-09-2011, 03:01 PM
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Maybe 
I think you missed the part that with a different skin, "permanent hardtop" (rotary version not a convertible), and different badging, there is no dilution of the "Miata" brand or name. It would make it a different car.
Disagree?
Then do you call the Mazda3, Mazda5, and CX-7 the same car? They share the same chassis and engine, just have different skins and body types.
How about the Mazda6 and the Ford Fusion? Same chassis, different engines, different skins, different badges. Same car? Hardly.
We would know it's the NC chassis, but that doesn't make it a Miata.
This part makes no sense to me. I can't follow what you are saying
ND weight reduction would improve lbs/hp, not hurt it. And at no point and I suggesting a drop in power? 
Disagree?
Then do you call the Mazda3, Mazda5, and CX-7 the same car? They share the same chassis and engine, just have different skins and body types.
How about the Mazda6 and the Ford Fusion? Same chassis, different engines, different skins, different badges. Same car? Hardly.
We would know it's the NC chassis, but that doesn't make it a Miata.
This part makes no sense to me. I can't follow what you are saying
Assuming the ND reaches it's target weight of 2200lbs with comparable power to the current ND (167hp US spec) then you'd go from a 10.34 lb/hp to 13.17 lb/hp. I imagine it would get the same harsh criticism as the 8 (specifically that it's "not as good as the FD") Especially if the NC-rx is popular I think a lot of people would become greatly disappointed by the drop in power, even with the great leap in fuel economy.
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10-09-2011, 03:48 PM
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While Mazda will still develop the rotary in some sense, it will be just a matter of time before they pull all funding for the rotary unless the engineers actually DEVELOP something worthy of sale. I can't see them spending money continually on tech they can't/aren't selling. So, while this may be some sort of life support for the rotary I don't see it as lasting life support.
10-09-2011, 05:12 PM
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While Mazda will still develop the rotary in some sense, it will be just a matter of time before they pull all funding for the rotary unless the engineers actually DEVELOP something worthy of sale. I can't see them spending money continually on tech they can't/aren't selling. So, while this may be some sort of life support for the rotary I don't see it as lasting life support.