amartin

First, I don't think its appropriate for a 'moderator' to close a thread unless its considered 'offensive and inappropriate'. Why? Because its a discussion... and its SOMEONEs issue and therefore deserves the attention and replies, and the ability to reply-to comments made. However...thats a moderators right, I suppose-- but this isn't East Berlin around 1970, is it?

On a side note, if you guys are short on disk-space... Fine-fine..delete/close the thread because its just a rant... I just wanted a place to voice my opinion.

/end rant.

As far as my 'launching, etc'... and 'driving like a grandma': Firstly, the car I launched was a demo with 5k miles on it, not mine... So, whoever posted the retarded statement about wondering why I don't get more than 14mpg... PLEASE read or quote the ENTIRE thread instead of just snipping some portion to make yourself look smart...because it was just a jackass thing to say. The vehicle I own and drive, is driven about as hard as my mother would drive a Honda Accord on a Sunday going to church.

Second, as said, I have a S2K, and I DO NOT drive it like a grand-ma..infact, I drive it like a freaking maniac..and even then, I RARELY get under 19mpg... and thats on a vehicle that clearly out accelerates and performs to my RX-8. In all areas..no competition... it just flat out spanks the snot outta the RX-8. Period. I own the Rx-8 for the 4 seats, not to race it..and thus, drive it like a 'reasonable and prudent' adult would. Yet a 2.0L 4 banger screaming at 6-9k RPM as often as the streets permit gets 30% better gas milage... I just don't get it.

Yet..still... even with such a reserved style of driving, I'm seeing 12.5-14mpg... a 5-8 mpg LESS average than a similar vehicle (in HP and weight). This, to ME, does not make sense.

As far as octane 87 versus 93 getting better gas milage..I think thats just silly talk. More octate doesn't give more power or efficently... it simply prevents knocking/pinging... these motors should be more than fine on ~87-89 octane... The only reason (IMHO) to run higher octain is IF you are actually pinging...

-- Aaron

English

Bye

brothervoodoo

Aaron, I think the thread was closed simply because there was nothing new being added to the issue. Same old stories and conclusions. I'm sure the moderator was not acting to spite you or your thread, I think some searches would have found the same information, over and over again, again, again, agai, aga, ag.. zzzzzzzzzzz..............

5Gen_Prelude

I'm only going to respond to this because the rest of it is just, "Don't like it, sell it crap".

If you ping, you've already lost. The point of higher octane in a nut shell is to prevent the engine from retarding the engine due to PREVENTION of knock. In another words, the higher octane resists knocking better.

Doug Green

right on

zerobanger

yes, you are the guy that on the s2000 forum called the Rx -8 your "beater", am I right? I think I read your thread. I'll have to search.

you bias towards the s2000 is so wrong its not even funny. To point the first flaw in your statement about the s2000 beating the rx8 in "all catagories". First off, The s2000 is a fine car I drive my friends alot. For me to point out that the rx-8 out brakes the S2000 by a substantial margin, probably wouldnt go over well with you would it?

How bout to point out that the rx-8 tested skid pad #'s from .88 to .92, the EXACT #'s the S2000 got in various tests. That wouldn't go ever well either, would it?

The fact is the rx-8's chassis is stiffer than the s2000's and has a superior suspension setup as well as braking system. The S2000 has a better power to weight and a stiffer suspension. So the advantage the S2000 has is merely the fact that its 200 lbs lighter.

Next, if you were looking for a car with great gas mileage, you should have got a civic. The rx8 is not going to give you as good as gas mileage as your S2000, its a fact, get over it.

You are a whiney little bitch and I hope your *** gets banned from this forum. Infact, I hope you get 2 miles per gallon and trade in your car for that lovely civic so someone else can appreciate your car.

You annoy me. You are a whiner and quite frankly you make me sick.

Have a nice day jack ***.

Gyro

OK....you have your sports car (S2K)........why do you own an Rx8? You need it for 4 seats and you drive it like "a mother going to church".....

you overpaid for a family hauler. Get an accord and save some money.

RogueRX8

I'm feelin' the love in this room...

lol

Doug Green

Right on

zerobanger

in this thread:

http://forums.s2ki.com/forums/showth...hreadid=171780


someone asked him about the fuel economy he replied:


I've got about 100miles on it so far... 1/2 tank left so far.. so, I have NO clue about MPG.. but honestly...do any of us buy a "sports" car for fuel ecomony?

Might as well ask about my tread wear :-)

Its fun... easy as that!

Perfect?? Nah..but what is.. okay, A F-40... or 911 Twin Turbo.. MIGHT qualify as perfect..

-- Aaron

Funny how before you dont buy a sporty car for fuel economy, but now its a beater that gets crappy gas mileage.


Hmmm wait...he also said...
Acceleration is VERY similar (The S2K is marginally faster, I'm buying the ECU mod to add 25rwhp to the RX-8 which should put both cars into a 'whos the better driver' performance level).

Wait...before acceleration was very similar with the s2k "marginally" faster. Now the rx-8 is a dog and the s2000 craps all over it.

I think someone is need some cheese with his whine.

Haze

Man, if you really want to KNOW why your car is getting poor mileage, and what issues might be a part of that then just do the search. There are a thousand threads on it, but I can tell you now that they all boil down to . . . we don't know. The variation in people's mileage seems to go from car to car, and there doesn't seem to be a central discernable reason. Lots of specualtion, but nothing which comes screaming out as a central reason.

Further, can we not tee off on this guy. He has a grand total of 22 posts on this forum so he doesn't know what annoys us.

And actually as I was running down the list of threads, this thread puts forward the reason that your thread was closed. https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...threadid=18657

i3man

I have to say that I agree with amartin. If we're going to get technical about it, more than half the threads on these forums are redundant so they should all be closed as well.

These forums are a source of information but they are also a source of entertainment and as long as nobody crosses the line, I think the discussions should be left alone. Uninteresting/redundant disussions will find their way to the bottom of the page on their own.

If amartin's original thread was closed, does that mean nobody can ever talk about poor gas mileage anymore? Flooding issues have been beaten to death so are those topics off limits as well? Lack of head room with sunroof? No low end torque? Should I buy an 8? What color should I get? Which snow tires? What weight of oil? How often should I change oil? The list of topics that have been discussed more than once goes on and on.

There are over 4000 threads in this folder. Do you really think that each new thread that starts from today will be a completely original topic that has not been discussed in some way, shape, or form before? There is a difference between moderating and censorship...let's not cross the line.

downshift

A very interesting statement, and well said.

8_wannabe

the kid is no noob. He's got over 1800 posts on the 2K forum. He knows how this stuff works. Some samples of his posts:

• I go through cars like women buy shoes...
• The S2K is marginally faster, I'm buying the ECU mod to add 25rwhp to the RX-8 which should put both cars into a 'whos the better driver' performance level.
• It seems to pull as hard at 5500rpms as it does at 8500 rpms. Go figure.
• I find myself speeding a LOT more in the RX-8, its extreemly quiet... you don't have the exhaust noise+wind to let you know how fast your really going.
• RX8Club.com has like... a zillion total noobies asking the same stuff we did here, about 2.5 years ago.. which is a little 'annoying'

His definition of driving like grandma means he doesn't autox, a point he makes several times. He is not driving this car in a serene manner; he repeatedly discusses redlining and fuel cutout.

And finally, don't give me that crap the poor kid is a newbie when he himself is dissing noobs who post questions that have been posted before. He's a whining, 2-faced hypocrite. Any questions?

zthang

Your argument seems logical to me, but it did come off as a tiny bit whiney.

Nubo

Is that the church with the 200-ft burnout marks leaving the parking lot :D

Rotary engine is inherently less efficient (mpg) than piston due to shape and movement of the combustion "chamber". It is a more efficient use of space though, which gets you your 4 seats in a sports package. And it has a great "feel" which may or may not be as important to you as gas mileage or 1/4 mile times. Though those last 2 would seem mutually exclusive concerns anyway.

amartin

Whiney? Sure..might seem whiney... only because I didn't start the previous thread to start a flame war.. I was rather annoyed at the fact the thread was CLOSED... As a previous poster stated.. 'dead/old/repeat' threads work their way to the bottom.. censorship isn't cool, at least.. where I come from.

As far as 'quoting' me on the s2k forum, if your going to quote..please do so accurately.. and not JUST those specific to your needs to make me appear to be mean. Those include most helpful information regarding wash-n-wax issues, audio, and, of course.. the occasion comparision threads, which, both here, and over at s2ki.com i've actually very kind to both cars... would I really own one if I didn't like it? Did I say I didn't like the RX-8? NO! I was complaining about being sold a car that was supposed to get 18-24mpg and aren't even able to get over 15mpg, regardless of the way its driven.

Do you really think I'd BUY an RX-8 to slam it? thats silly. Fact of the matter is, as I learn more about the car, it raises questions and gives me experience in its capabilities. As far as auto-crossing, please feel free to do a search on s2ki.com... I auto cross the S2K, B-Stock, and ranked pretty damn well last year...

As far as the RX-8 being my 'beater'..that, infact, is true. in the sense-- I own 2 cars now, and s2k and an rx-8 (which replaced my 2001 Sporttrack, my previous "beater"). The RX-8 stays outside, un-garaged and exposed to weather, etc... it is for commuting to work, and driving the parents to dinner, etc... it is, infact, when you examine a 2 seater versus a 4 seater-outdoor-everyday-car... "MY" beater. If it makes you feel any better, all my vehicles are well taken care of, but the fact remains...its my "haul mom and pop", "Pick up the groceries" car. Hence, for ME, its my beater.

The point was, for diving a car relativly 'gently' and getting 5-8 MPG LESS than my S2K drive HARD in the city, road/conditions permitting (albiet, at the auto-cross I get 11-14mpg, but thats 7-9k sustained throughout the course) thats IMHO, unacceptable gas milage.


Regardless, I appreciate those of you that supported the BASIC FACTS for this post, and for those of you who resorted to name-calling and insults... Please do some home-work and see my contributions to the s2k community before acting so immature... I'm not here to bash OUR cars. I'm making a statement of fact.

- - Aaron

p.s. to the poster about how the RX-8 breaks better...has similar G's on the skip pad, etc... Whatever man... numbers are bullshit. Autocross is 90% driver, 10% car... I've said this time and time again...

RX8by

If your car cannot get over 14mpg call your Dealer and Mazda and complain. Most RX8's get at least 16mpg. Get it in and get it fixed. Mine has never got less the 16.5 and averages 18-19mpg.If you want help we will, if you just want to complain you did, we heard move on.

RX8Lover

My RX8 consistently gets 19MPG. Ha Ha, sucks to be you, buddy.

Spin9k

My 2c worth. I didn't (either) see why the thread should be closed. Agree it was redundant, but it IS HIS PROBLEM!

Agree that bunches of other redundant threads should likewise be closed if this (closing) is the rule not the exception. Still, even moderators can have their days, THEY probably get sick of the same stuff over and over worse than some of us do! (oh, tolerance!)

He owns the car, he has a right to spout off, it's HIS REALITY (no matter what other board he has posted 1000s of times in).

BUT ---- if he want s to boost about low mileage, I think IT SHOULD BE A RULE that whosoever WANTS TO COMPLAIN ON MILEAGE ALSO show his RECORDS, i.e., a reasonable FILLUP history including date, miles driven, gal to fill. WHY? To make a solid argument to all the doubting Thomas's out there who may think he doest protest too much without showing FACTS.

Ghosts of MPT stories (miles per tankful figures) will forever live on this board thanks to those mathematically challenged among us.

aussie77

Regardless of whether or not he gets whiny, or contradicts himself guys, we can react with some common courtesy and not resort to name calling. Calling him a 'bitch' among other things is not constructive, and does not maintain a level of maturity on these boards I think we should be able to achieve given that we are all adults, albiet some of us in an arrested state of development. Play nice!

Elara

Censorship my ***.

I have an idea. If you have a question about something a moderator closes(in this case, me), instead of getting nasty about it in an open forum try sending me a PRIVATE MESSAGE instead of doing your best to antagonize me. The thread was closed because it's been discussed over and over. I try to close as many as I catch that seem to be the same, but I don't see everything. I'm a volunteer, remember? I can't spend every waking minute on here. And sorry, but the gas mileage has been discussed to death. And there are plenty of open threads you can use to discuss it more. If you had sent me a pm message explaining WHY you thought it shouldn't have been closed, I might have opened it back up. As it is, this one is getting very close to being closed now too because some people apparently have no manners.

Next time you have a problem with something, try talking to me in private instead of posting something rude. I don't remember being nasty to you, so why would you do it to me in public?

Genom

I'd like to point out that the moderators can do anything they want on the board. However they dont show power trips and all that to my eyes. The fact is your using somebody's board for this, and that soemone chose the mods to enforce the rules. Now, the fact is there's plenty of previous MPG issues, many still on the front page that you could just add to. You dont need to make "Your" thread. Nobody owns a thread. You start one or you continue one. It would be much more productive for people doing research on this if everybody with the problem just posted in a single thread with pertinent data so as to make it easier to compare. Having to hunt for 100 individual threads is time consuming and wasteful.

If people stopped to think about their posts for a bit, it would make the forum even better than it is. Now if your posting just to bitch about it, well, then you need to realize that just like you dont like to hear people bitch about stuff, not many want to read someone bitching about something and not doing anything about it. Remember that mods have to usually read every single post on the board, not just ones they care about.

If the miles are that bad, you need to talk to your dealer. They or Mazda are the only ones that can help. You could get a petition going and start a thread on that to get it addressed. They might balk at first as I'm sure they have a lot of people complaining about stuff in their imagination, but if you persist there has to be a solution. Just be aware that it might end up being getting rid of the car. But you HAVE to take an active part in fixing the problem.

Zio

I HATE that line "why don't you buy a civic?" DUDE there are other sports cars that get better gas mileage. ITS NOT like he wants 30+ mpg. He just wants low 20s. IMO you don't buy this car for good gas mileage (mid to upper 20s). You buy it for that lovely rotary.

zthang

Damn....now that's brotherly love.