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Cute video but I think most of us are fed up with the lie that if you take care of your rotary that it will last as long as a reliable piston car. Or at least not without the headache of extra maintenance tasks and constant fear of you waking up in the morning to a blown engine. It's just a bad design and rebuild polls on here proves that, not to mention a Mazda dealership that told me they replaced nearly every 04-05 engine they sold.
I premixed for a year and never want to do that again. it's a messy pain in the *** no matter how many napkins you use. Once or twice fine, but due to the bad gas mileage of this car, I was doing this 8 times a month. Sucks worse when in a suite, on a date or in a hurry. And 15 mpg for 140rwp in my auto is unacceptable for a 30k car in the 21st century especially while it's marketing campaign slogan is zoom zoom. We have 300-400hp cars that are reaching for 30mpg. My 20 year old NSX even got 30 mpg and had twice the power.
The lack of torque especially on the automatic that I have is a nightmare especially trying to make an unprotected right turn. It's like the thing just doesn't get out of its own way. I like the car, but can't wait to get rid of it. The lack of sales and Mazda stopping production shows these negative stigmas aren't from the lack of user maintenance as the video suggests. To add, there are no Rotary mechanics in San Diego. They all went out of business.
I hope one reads this objectively and realize it's not a great car. Subjectively, It's a fun-ish car to look at and drive but that's where it ends.
Cute video but I think most of us are fed up with the lie that if you take care of your rotary that it will last as long as a reliable piston car. Or at least not without the headache of extra maintenance tasks and constant fear of you waking up in the morning to a blown engine. It's just a bad design and rebuild polls on here proves that, not to mention a Mazda dealership that told me they replaced nearly every 04-05 engine they sold.
I premixed for a year and never want to do that again. it's a messy pain in the *** no matter how many napkins you use. Once or twice fine, but due to the bad gas mileage of this car, I was doing this 8 times a month. Sucks worse when in a suite, on a date or in a hurry. And 15 mpg for 140rwp in my auto is unacceptable for a 30k car in the 21st century especially while it's marketing campaign slogan is zoom zoom. We have 300-400hp cars that are reaching for 30mpg. My 20 year old NSX even got 30 mpg and had twice the power.
The lack of torque especially on the automatic that I have is a nightmare especially trying to make an unprotected right turn. It's like the thing just doesn't get out of its own way. I like the car, but can't wait to get rid of it. The lack of sales and Mazda stopping production shows these negative stigmas aren't from the lack of user maintenance as the video suggests. To add, there are no Rotary mechanics in San Diego. They all went out of business.
I hope one reads this objectively and realize it's not a great car. Subjectively, It's a fun-ish car to look at and drive but that's where it ends.
Clearly the car is not for everyone. It's so sad when one only wants to put gas in turn the key and go. This car requires extra love and care, and if it does not excite you to do so, then you should not own one. You purchased an automatic no less. Sell it, quickly.
Cute video but I think most of us are fed up with the lie that if you take care of your rotary that it will last as long as a reliable piston car. Or at least not without the headache of extra maintenance tasks and constant fear of you waking up in the morning to a blown engine. It's just a bad design and rebuild polls on here proves that, not to mention a Mazda dealership that told me they replaced nearly every 04-05 engine they sold.
Well I would agree to the extent that the maintenance called for in the owner's manual is not sufficient to guarantee durability equivalent to good piston engines. Although there are plenty of piston engines with design/durability problems that never make it to 100k.
The 04-05s had shortcomings which Mazda addressed, exacerbated by the hamstrung 4-port auto. Not fair to judge the entire Renny line based on the early years.
Originally Posted by von
I premixed for a year and never want to do that again. it's a messy pain in the *** no matter how many napkins you use. Once or twice fine, but due to the bad gas mileage of this car, I was doing this 8 times a month. Sucks worse when in a suite, on a date or in a hurry.
I bought a funnel for $4 and a roll of shop towel $2.50, kept those in the trunk, and didn't have an issue with messy pre-mixing. Also, if you skip or delay pre-mixing once or twice, your car will not explode.
Originally Posted by von
The lack of torque especially on the automatic that I have is a nightmare especially trying to make an unprotected right turn. It's like the thing just doesn't get out of its own way.
Sorry, I don't think the problem here is with the car, unless you are having mechanical problems. I have driven slower cars and didn't have such issues. If you want/need a torque monster, then you bought the wrong car.
Looks like it's not the right car/engine combo for you, and you would do well to move on. I don't think bashing the entire engine line is warranted.
The failures have nothing to do with the 04-05's, the 06-08 fail just as often, the reman plant is still turning about 5,000 engines according to an article I read on the plant in VA. The 04-05's failure rates just seems higher since so many more were sold than the later years. The number of engines the reman plant rebuilds will slow down as the 08's slowly go out of warranty. And of course 09+ Series II engine replacements are happening but at a very low rate it seems.
If you can't add premix without making a mess then you must be retarded. There are plenty of people who have had reliable RX-8 ownership, longevity depends on quite a few factors, many of which the owner can do nothing about. The problem is so many of these cars are on their 3rd or 4th owner and most RX-8's didn't do any research before buying. That said, the series I Renesis is a failure as far as modern engines go. But that is no secret so if you bought one you have no room to bitch about it unless you have owned it for ten years and paid $30,000.00 plus back when they were new,
But I love my baby, and although I have way too much money in her, she isn't going anywhere anytime soon. But yeah it is the wrong car for many people.
But I still excited looking at mine all these years later.
It's so sad when one only wants to put gas in turn the key and go.
Thanks for responding with your input. I chuckled a little bit at your comment. One who pays 30k for it should fully expect to turn the key and go. How is that sad?
The Rx8 was not meant to be a project car, a second car or weekend exotic. It's a daily driver for the average family to get from point A to B.
Originally Posted by Jastreb
Although there are plenty of piston engines with design/durability problems that never make it to 100k.
Yes but we have the option to not buy those piston engines. With the Rotary, you have no other options but to buy the bad design/duribility model that never make it to 100k
Originally Posted by Jastreb
I have driven slower cars and didn't have such issues. If you want/need a torque monster, then you bought the wrong car.
A little strawman of you to bring up torque monster as if they were my words. How about just torque? How about just enough to improve driveability? to handle those unprotected right turns or merging to a free lane from a dead stop, I'm sure half the people here know what I'm talking about. I justified it at first but is now a safety and drivabilty issue. I rented a $14/day Kia with less power but way more getup and go so your use of the word slower is a little misleading when we are talking about driveability and torque. A car can have more torque and be slower or have gearing optimized for off the line getup like this 4 door Kia I rented for $14 bucks. That's sad especially for a car that markets itself with zoom zoom slogans.
Originally Posted by Jastreb
I don't think bashing the entire engine line is warranted.
I think my opinion is right on topic with this discussion and considering these objective facts, totally warranted. You can subjectively dismiss the facts, but that doesn't give the car a free pass at being criticized. You can counter with all the awesome things it does for you if you like
The problem is so many of these cars are on their 3rd or 4th owner
Says the guy on his 3rd engine. Were all those in your ownership?
Biased fans will justify a bad engine with excuses like yours. It was this or it was that while other cars can go on without a single issue for 200k miles no matter how many hands it changes. First it's a bad flash on the ECU not putting enough oil in, then not enough oil injectors, then the coils fail and blew the engine, then the radiator is too small and the engine runs hot and killed the coolant seals, not revving high enough, It pinged and due to less room for error, it blew the engine, etc etc. The point is that it's ALWAYS SOMETHING.
So far, all three posters have agreed that the engine is flawed or takes extra special care to meet reliability standards. Not sure what the attacks and bickering over my criticisms are about when you all agree with me anyways.
Everyone who says that this is a bad car really doesn't deserve to have one. I don't know how your premixing gets messy, you must have your hands growing from a wrong place. And of checking oil once in a while and actually giving your car some love is too much of a work for you, then you should just go get yourself a prius. It's these kind of people that ruin it for everyone. The ones that don't even care to learn about their car and just start talking bull cause they've neglected their 8.
A Rotary Engine is a special machine and therefore requires special maintenance. This is common sense (which isn't always common.) You are terribly mistaken to believe this is just an ordinary car for daily driving by an average family. No one is forcing you to own this car. Do everyone on this site a favor, sell it and get over yourself.
Thanks for responding with your input. I chuckled a little bit at your comment. One who pays 30k for it should fully expect to turn the key and go. How is that sad?
The Rx8 was not meant to be a project car, a second car or weekend exotic. It's a daily driver for the average family to get from point A to B.
Gonna come back at you on that one. In the promotional material from Mazda that came out in the early days, it specifically remarks how the RX-8 has enough trunk space to be a weekend get away car. Not saying that is its only use of course, but Mazda knew it wasn't going to be for everyone and for every purpose.
So far, all three posters have agreed that the engine is flawed or takes extra special care to meet reliability standards. Not sure what the attacks and bickering over my criticisms are about when you all agree with me anyways.
Originally Posted by von
...I think most of us are fed up with the lie...
We don't accept you as the spokesperson for 'most of us', so no to whatever you were about to say.
Cute video but I think most of us are fed up with the lie that if you take care of your rotary that it will last as long as a reliable piston car.
To those who have well over 100k miles without a hitch on their 1st engine it's not a lie. Like any car model, some have issues while the rest do not. You are mostly only going to find complaints on the forums and not those who've had long lasting engines.
Originally Posted by von
I premixed for a year and never want to do that again. it's a messy pain in the *** no matter how many napkins you use. Once or twice fine, but due to the bad gas mileage of this car, I was doing this 8 times a month.
First off, if you cannot simply add oil to your engine akin to an oil change then perhaps you should drive it to a service center every time your vehicle warrants it so you don't get messy. Most people who buy such a car enjoy working on it and an adding oil with a funnel is not messy unless you're new to this.
8 times a month? You must have been driving and refilling a lot. If not, then it may had been your engine using more than it should had been. That doesn't make it an issue by design but rather an issue you have with your car, not everyone else
Originally Posted by von
The lack of torque especially on the automatic that I have is a nightmare especially trying to make an unprotected right turn. It's like the thing just doesn't get out of its own way.
You have an auto-tragic. Those of us who bought a manual keep it one gear lower for higher RPMs when we need them accordingly.
Originally Posted by Jastreb
Well I would agree to the extent that the maintenance called for in the owner's manual is not sufficient to guarantee durability equivalent to good piston engines.
Tell that to those who have well over 100k miles on stock, factory setups.
Originally Posted by Jastreb
Sorry, I don't think the problem here is with the car, unless you are having mechanical problems. I have driven slower cars and didn't have such issues. If you want/need a torque monster, then you bought the wrong car.
Easier to blame the car after buying than do your research ahead of time. Blows my mind with anything people purchase today how little research they do before pulling the trigger and buying something only to cry foul when it does exactly what it's specifications show and not what the owner's expectation is.
Originally Posted by von
One who pays 30k for it should fully expect to turn the key and go. How is that sad? The Rx8 was not meant to be a project car, a second car or weekend exotic. It's a daily driver for the average family to get from point A to B.
It is a daily driver and you can get in and turn the key and go. Checking the oil more frequently by design isn't really a chore for most other than the lazy.
Originally Posted by von
Yes but we have the option to not buy those piston engines. With the Rotary, you have no other options but to buy the bad design/duribility model that never make it to 100k
You had the option to do research ahead of time and not buy the car.
Originally Posted by von
How about just torque? How about just enough to improve driveability? to handle those unprotected right turns or merging to a free lane from a dead stop, I'm sure half the people here know what I'm talking about. I justified it at first but is now a safety and drivabilty issue.
Again, auto-tragic. It's not a safety issue and requires you to think ahead of time instead of sticking to old habits. No car models drive the same as others, they all require the driver to adjust to them.
Originally Posted by von
I think my opinion is right on topic with this discussion and considering these objective facts, totally warranted. You can subjectively dismiss the facts, but that doesn't give the car a free pass at being criticized. You can counter with all the awesome things it does for you if you like
You have objective opinions formed based off of the facts. Your opinions alone are not facts themselves. I know this character trait that 9k also has gets adopted by people here but don't stick with it.
Originally Posted by von
The point is that it's ALWAYS SOMETHING.
It's always something for ANY car.
Originally Posted by CRAZ8
A Rotary Engine is a special machine and therefore requires special maintenance.
To many of us, it feels special. It doesn't however require special maintenance from the dealer. Manual tells you to check the and to add accordingly; that is the only extra step over any other normal car due to oil consumption by design.
People really make it a bigger deal than it actually is. My EVO X requires more maintenance than my 8 did annually by far going by the service manual.
It's kinda like your batsh*t crazy ex.
She's high maintenance, drinks too much, and is too needy, aggravating by how much attention she needs.
All your friends tell you she's no good, but when you get in the driver's seat, it's all worthwhile.
Says the guy on his 3rd engine. Were all those in your ownership?
Biased fans will justify a bad engine with excuses like yours. It was this or it was that while other cars can go on without a single issue for 200k miles no matter how many hands it changes. First it's a bad flash on the ECU not putting enough oil in, then not enough oil injectors, then the coils fail and blew the engine, then the radiator is too small and the engine runs hot and killed the coolant seals, not revving high enough, It pinged and due to less room for error, it blew the engine, etc etc. The point is that it's ALWAYS SOMETHING.
So far, all three posters have agreed that the engine is flawed or takes extra special care to meet reliability standards. Not sure what the attacks and bickering over my criticisms are about when you all agree with me anyways.
It's the fourth engine and yes they were all in my ownership, I got my first one at 22,000 miles I'm at 143,000+ and I still haven't found anything to replace it.
And yes we agree the S1 Renesis is flawed. But if you bought a rotary expecting reliability then you are an idiot because none of them have ever been what most people consider reliable. If you hate the car then just sell it, that is what many do/did.
Most cars built to be fast aren't very reliable. When you push the limits of a vehicle (power, speed, compression, lateral g-s, w/e) things are going to give out. Lets talk about how all other sports cars are super reliable. Subaru's head gasket issues, DSM motors always blowing up, the list goes on and on. How many Ferraris, Lamborghinis, etc do you see with over 100k miles on them? I have yet to know of anyone with one. LSX motors make it to over 100k all the time? I have never had anyone prove that is a frequent occurrence to me. All cars have their issues and you never know how other people are skewing the facts. Lying on the internet is very easy to get away with.
You must of took the blue pill and went back to the matrix. Most people here seem to be on their 2nd to 4th engine. Are you calling them all stupid?
Edit: lol I just read your old post stating you blew your engine and that there are no rotary mechanics in NY. Welcome to the club. So by your standards, you're stupid?
Originally Posted by QuiQuik2003
It's these kind of people that ruin it for everyone.
How does my opinion and showing of certain facts like sales figures, Mazda engine replacements, polls on this very forum (which you're now a victim of) and anecdotal evidence ruin the car for you and everyone else? Does it prevent your car from moving? Nothing I have said prevents you from praying to your Mazda God.
Originally Posted by Love_Hounds
In the promotional material from Mazda that came out in the early days, it specifically remarks how the RX-8 has enough trunk space to be a weekend get away car.
A bit of a red herring don't you think? You said it's sad that people expect to just turn the key and go simply because they added a larger trunk for a weekend getaway?
Originally Posted by CRAZ8
This is common sense (which isn't always common.)
So I'm assuming you pre-mix as well as everyone else with a pre 2009 engine? The video clearly shows these engines KABOOM at 80k. (mostly less). So how many people are not pre-mixing right now? I'd be willing to bet that under your standards, 95% of owners on here must lack common sense. And you told me to get over myself?
Originally Posted by CRAZ8
You are terribly mistaken to believe this is just an ordinary car for daily driving by an average family.
So why did they add near full size rear seats and extra trunk spcae? I don't think Mazda intended to sell just a few thousand cars a year to a niche market or intend to lose money every year. So what type of car is it if it wasn't designed to be a daily driver?
Originally Posted by sonicsdaman
I bought a "Sports" car and I'm angry that I have to spend more time/money in upkeep and maintenance than my ecoshitbox
The angry ones are the overly defensive ones using Ad Hominem attacks to try and falsify my point. I would say you're angry that you have to perform exotic car maintenance while still getting rolled by that econobox while getting exotic car gas mileage but with econobox torque.
Originally Posted by 9krpmrx8
It's the fourth engine and yes they were all in my ownership.
Thank you because It seems ironic how every person who's attacked me is on their second, third or fourth engine at no fault of their own but have no problem labeling others as "stupid people" or "retarded" or lacking common sense for blowing their engines.
Originally Posted by Loki
We don't accept you as the spokesperson
I found you a new spokesperson below
Originally Posted by 9krpmrx8
And yes we agree the S1 Renesis is flawed
Thanks you
Originally Posted by LiveWire
Most cars built to be fast aren't very reliable.
Not a true statement. And Is 135-175 wheel hp and 16 second 1/4 mile time considered to be so fast that it can't be reliable? It doesn't even deserve that honor.
I hope one reads this objectively and realize it's not a great car. Subjectively, It's a fun-ish car to look at and drive but that's where it ends.
Not a true statement. Two can play this game lol.
It's a FANTASTIC car for what I use it for, and I can't justify replacing it. Even if I had to buy a new engine every year, it would still outturn cars that cost twice the money.
You're investing yourself way too much in this thread.
You must of took the blue pill and went back to the matrix. Most people here seem to be on their 2nd to 4th engine. Are you calling them all stupid?
Edit: lol I just read your old post stating you blew your engine and that there are no rotary mechanics in NY. Welcome to the club. So by your standards, you're stupid?
How does my opinion and showing of certain facts like sales figures, Mazda engine replacements, polls on this very forum (which you're now a victim of) and anecdotal evidence ruin the car for you and everyone else? Does it prevent your car from moving? Nothing I have said prevents you from praying to your Mazda God.
A bit of a red herring don't you think? You said it's sad that people expect to just turn the key and go simply because they added a larger trunk for a weekend getaway?
So I'm assuming you pre-mix as well as everyone else with a pre 2009 engine? The video clearly shows these engines KABOOM at 80k. (mostly less). So you heard it everyone, anyone who doesn't pre-mix lacks common sense according to CRAZ8
So why did they add near full size rear seats and extra trunk spcae? I don't think Mazda intended to sell just a few thousand cars a year to a niche market or intend to lose money every year. So what type of car is it if it wasn't designed to be a daily driver?
The angry ones are the overly defensive ones using Ad Hominem attacks to try and falsify my point. I would say you're angry that you have to perform exotic car maintenance while still getting rolled by that econobox while getting exotic car gas mileage but with econobox torque.
Thank you because It seems ironic how every person who's attacked me is on their second, third or fourth engine at no fault of their own but have no problem labeling others as "stupid people" or "retarded" or lacking common sense for blowing their engines.
I found you a new spokesperson below
Not a true statement. And Is 135-175 wheel hp and 16 second 1/4 mile time considered fast enough to justify it's reliability issues?
stupid, why don't you do some research before you call people stupid before you get your face punched into a wall. Im 92k original engine just so you know so watch your mouth. And do some research before you say that most people on here are on their 4th engine. And also learn to read cause I never had a post in which I stated that I blew my engine. If you're a brainless retard who can't take simple care of their car and tries to find something to justify that then I feel sorry for you. And do us all a favor and don't get an 8 cause there aren't that many cars left and it's fucktards like you who ruin it for everyone.
Do you have some sort of spiritual or religious connection with your car? Just remember the internet is forever and think you'll regret your comments in 10 years or more.
04-22-2015, 12:27 PM
I don't think bashing the entire engine line is warranted.
I'm at 143,000+ and I still haven't found anything to replace it.