Notices
RX-8 Discussion General discussion about the RX-8 that doesn't fit in one of the specialty forums.

NEW RIMS-NEW TIRES-BAD CEL!!! pics

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Rate Thread
 
Old 04-07-2006, 02:08 PM
  #1  
Registered User
Thread Starter
 
ITALNRX-8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Orlando, FL
Posts: 22
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Question NEW RIMS-NEW TIRES-BAD CEL!!! pics

I am writing this thread in the frustration of a bad cel. I need help. I purchased some new tires this week (Toyo T1r's-255-45-18 for the front and 225-45-18 for the back) and because they couldn't reuse the tire sensor, a bad cel was thrown.

Is there anyway to turn off the sensor from looking for tire pressure? The tire pressure sensor are obviously not on the wheels therefore, the cell won't go away.

Any help would be great.

Here are some pics. What do you think?

the lip on the back is 3 inch and front 2 1/4- hyperblack
Attached Thumbnails NEW RIMS-NEW TIRES-BAD CEL!!! pics-back-8.jpg   NEW RIMS-NEW TIRES-BAD CEL!!! pics-back-wheel.jpg   NEW RIMS-NEW TIRES-BAD CEL!!! pics-pict0712.jpg   NEW RIMS-NEW TIRES-BAD CEL!!! pics-image_035.jpg  
Old 04-07-2006, 02:21 PM
  #2  
Momentum Keeps Me Going
 
Spin9k's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Colorado
Posts: 5,036
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
I don't think tire pressure is your problem. I think mismatched tire diameters are. Why would you mix 255/45 and 225/45 width tires on the car? And esp. bigger in the front? It must look weird (strike that, - it does look wierd), but moreso the ECU must think something strange is happening. Therefore the CEL perhaps?

Last edited by Spin9k; 04-07-2006 at 02:33 PM.
Old 04-07-2006, 02:24 PM
  #3  
Momentum Keeps Me Going
 
Spin9k's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Colorado
Posts: 5,036
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
BTW, CELs are not "bad". They're there to tell you you got a problem!
Old 04-07-2006, 02:41 PM
  #4  
Registered User
Thread Starter
 
ITALNRX-8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Orlando, FL
Posts: 22
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
actually that is a typo, 255 are on the back and 225 are on the front. Thanks for the update on "bad". the cel is there to tell me a problem, which i am having.

The tire sensors that are on the back of the stock rims are still on there. Which is in my garage (not on car). the car is looking for that sensor. obviously it can't find it because its on my old rims, so it throws a cel. i want that indicator to go away. that is the advice i am looking for.
Old 04-07-2006, 02:45 PM
  #5  
Momentum Keeps Me Going
 
Spin9k's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Colorado
Posts: 5,036
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
Perhaps you mean the dash light for the tire pressure? That's not a CEL, it's just an indicator, which of course you'll get in that situation. It's only a light. Many run wheels without sensors installed and the light will be on. Some cover it up with tape, others don't care. There is also a mod involving cutting a wire that will nix the light permanently.

A CEL would be another dash indicator and is usually associated with any number of other things.. there's a list of CEL codes on the site. But you need a tool to read them from the car. Hope that helps a bit.
Old 04-07-2006, 03:07 PM
  #6  
Registered User
Thread Starter
 
ITALNRX-8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Orlando, FL
Posts: 22
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
thanks for the clarification. So i guess i have to cover it up or cut a wire to get rid of the indicator?

that stinks.

would you have that mod for cutting the wire?
Old 04-07-2006, 03:10 PM
  #7  
脾臓が痛みました
 
Glyphon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Land of Peaches, Pecans, and Peanuts
Posts: 1,527
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Originally Posted by Spin9k
There is also a mod involving cutting a wire that will nix the light permanently.
thing about the cut wire "fix"...it works on some cars and not on others.
Old 04-07-2006, 03:10 PM
  #8  
Momentum Keeps Me Going
 
Spin9k's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Colorado
Posts: 5,036
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
There's a thread somewhere ... but here's the 'meat' of it.
Attached Thumbnails NEW RIMS-NEW TIRES-BAD CEL!!! pics-tpmslight-shut-off.jpg  
Old 04-07-2006, 03:21 PM
  #9  
Bland
 
8is>enuff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 856
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
I have heard if you have the spare you can put all the sensors in that and inflate it to 35psi. That should get rid of the light.

I have the stock rims so I haven't tried it myself.
Old 04-07-2006, 03:30 PM
  #10  
Registered User
Thread Starter
 
ITALNRX-8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Orlando, FL
Posts: 22
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
all good info. thanks!

this might be a stupid question, but could it be as easy as a fuse? is there a fuse that controls that part of the car?
Old 04-07-2006, 03:46 PM
  #11  
May Cause Anal Leakage
 
tiggerlee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Orlando & Chicago
Posts: 3,191
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by 8is>enuff
I have heard if you have the spare you can put all the sensors in that and inflate it to 35psi. That should get rid of the light.

I have the stock rims so I haven't tried it myself.


Interesting, I hadn't heard that. But what if you need to use the spare?
Old 04-07-2006, 03:57 PM
  #12  
Bland
 
8is>enuff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 856
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Originally Posted by tiggerlee
Interesting, I hadn't heard that. But what if you need to use the spare?
LOL. Good point.

I didn't think about that. You're SOL I guess.
Old 04-07-2006, 04:05 PM
  #13  
Modulated Moderator
iTrader: (3)
 
dannobre's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Smallville
Posts: 13,718
Received 334 Likes on 289 Posts
Originally Posted by tiggerlee
Interesting, I hadn't heard that. But what if you need to use the spare?
Just use a zip tie and some duct tape and attach them to the wheel hub on the spare equally spaced as you can...the spare will work fine.
Old 04-07-2006, 04:08 PM
  #14  
Bland
 
8is>enuff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 856
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
If one came loose I'd assume it would be thrashed by the time you got to a tire shop. The others might be as well.

Did I assume correctly?
Old 04-07-2006, 04:11 PM
  #15  
May Cause Anal Leakage
 
tiggerlee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Orlando & Chicago
Posts: 3,191
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
If that's the case I'd probably just try to live with the constant TPMS light.
Old 04-07-2006, 04:34 PM
  #16  
Rotary eXperimental-8
 
moRotorMotor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Gander, Newfoundland, Canada
Posts: 1,830
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
It's so cool to live in Canada. We don't have to deal with that stupid light.
Old 04-07-2006, 04:46 PM
  #17  
Bigus Rotus
iTrader: (3)
 
Nemesis8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Missouri
Posts: 8,573
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
It really is an idiot light - nothing better than a good pressure gauge in your hand
Old 04-07-2006, 10:08 PM
  #18  
rotorized!!!
 
daisuke's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: San Luis Obispo, CA
Posts: 653
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
too bad you got the T1-R's those are getting bad reviews because of a blubbery side wall.
Old 04-08-2006, 10:14 PM
  #19  
Registered
 
automaton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 113
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Get yourself a short length of 3-4 inch (diameter) PVC pipe. Get two endcaps of the same size. Pick up a valve stem. Don't forget the PVC cement.

Drill an appropriately sized hole for the valve stem (or one of the TPS assemblies) in one of the end caps. Install valve stem or TPS sensor through the hole. glue that end cap to the PVC pipe (make sure the PVC pipe is just long enough for both end caps to fit on it with little or no space between them) Place all sensors (or the three that remain, if you used one in the end cap)into the pipe and seal up the other end with the other end cap. Pressurize the contraption and hide it somewhere on the vehicle.

I'm not sure if the TPS sensors rely on having a pressure difference between the part that goes inside the wheel and the part outside. If that IS the case, drill 4 holes and have all 4 sensors fed through the end cap.

It's not an elegant solution, but it is effective. The parts are readily available at any hardware store and should only run you $15 for materials.
Old 04-08-2006, 10:53 PM
  #20  
Registered
 
oreo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: San Juan, PR
Posts: 242
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
why not just install the damn things on your new wheels???

Do they not fit??

I'm almost positive that the sensors need to be atached to the stem so If you are trying the tube mod you will have to make 4 holes.
Old 04-08-2006, 11:00 PM
  #21  
May Cause Anal Leakage
 
tiggerlee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Orlando & Chicago
Posts: 3,191
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by oreo
why not just install the damn things on your new wheels???

Do they not fit??

Not all wheels are TPMS compatible.
Old 04-08-2006, 11:30 PM
  #22  
Zoom-Freakin'-Zoom
iTrader: (5)
 
swoope's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: orlando, fl
Posts: 14,602
Received 35 Likes on 31 Posts
i am pretty sure the sensors are activated by rotation. or the bat would go dead real fast.

the pressure tube has been tried.

beers
Old 04-08-2006, 11:37 PM
  #23  
Out of NYC
iTrader: (1)
 
nycgps's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Planet Earth
Posts: 19,881
Received 32 Likes on 30 Posts
Im not trying to be mean but.

I think you should try to at least "get to know your own car" before you do anything else (including the CUT tpms wire part)

You cannot even tell between CEL and TPMS. So What else do you want me to say ?

You might money for new rim and tires, but money cant buy you knowlege. Go read something first.
Old 04-09-2006, 11:51 AM
  #24  
Registered
 
automaton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 113
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by swoope
i am pretty sure the sensors are activated by rotation. or the bat would go dead real fast.

the pressure tube has been tried.

beers

That makes sense.

I've heard of people taking their rims to a machine shop and getting them machined to accept the TPMS on other cars. A good shop will know how much is safe to remove and still maintain the integrity of the wheel. Has anyone on this site tried that route?

I know a lot of guys don't really care if the tire pressure is monitored, but it's a nice feature in my opinion, and I'd hate to give it up
Old 04-09-2006, 07:07 PM
  #25  
Zoom-Freakin'-Zoom
iTrader: (5)
 
swoope's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: orlando, fl
Posts: 14,602
Received 35 Likes on 31 Posts
Originally Posted by automaton
That makes sense.

I've heard of people taking their rims to a machine shop and getting them machined to accept the TPMS on other cars. A good shop will know how much is safe to remove and still maintain the integrity of the wheel. Has anyone on this site tried that route?

I know a lot of guys don't really care if the tire pressure is monitored, but it's a nice feature in my opinion, and I'd hate to give it up

i would not leave home without them.

beers


You have already rated this thread Rating: Thread Rating: 0 votes,  average.

Quick Reply: NEW RIMS-NEW TIRES-BAD CEL!!! pics



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:20 AM.