Here's the Official Mazda Letter!!
08-25-2003, 11:47 AM
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Re: Here's the Official Mazda Letter!!
Originally posted by Gyro
received it today.........
received it today.........
08-25-2003, 12:07 PM
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Well that's a masterwork of spin isn't it!
At least the $500 is do what you like with.
I wonder what the definition of 'reasonable wear and tear' is? There's a loophole and a half...
At least the $500 is do what you like with.
I wonder what the definition of 'reasonable wear and tear' is? There's a loophole and a half...
08-25-2003, 12:11 PM
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The "attatched form" is really basic. it just has a checkbox next to the free scheduled maintenance offer.....then has a ""If you wish to discuss the option of having you 2004 Mazda RX8 repurchased, please call Mazda at 1 800 622 6779".
It also has a disclaimer stating that if you accept the offer of keeping the car with the free maintenance....."the offer is full and complete resolution of any claim he/she may have against MNAO and any of its authorized dealers"
It also has a disclaimer stating that if you accept the offer of keeping the car with the free maintenance....."the offer is full and complete resolution of any claim he/she may have against MNAO and any of its authorized dealers"
08-25-2003, 12:19 PM
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Originally posted by Lensman
Well that's a masterwork of spin isn't it!
At least the $500 is do what you like with.
I wonder what the definition of 'reasonable wear and tear' is? There's a loophole and a half...
Well that's a masterwork of spin isn't it!
At least the $500 is do what you like with.
I wonder what the definition of 'reasonable wear and tear' is? There's a loophole and a half...
yes, they didn't define what "unreasonable" was but i'd consider this a reasonable (pun intended) loophole...not a "loophole and a half."
i wouldn't expect anyone on this forum would have unreasonable wear and tear on their 8 already. (except that one member that got rearended by the SUV 
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08-25-2003, 01:49 PM
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Legal Question
I just saw in another thread where part of the $500+service agreement is that you wave right to legal action at a later time.
Does this mean that if Mazda announces in another 2 months that the car only has 210 HP, which is closer to what some of they dynos are pointing at, i would be SOL.
I don't mind losing 8 hp as long as the car is still sporty, handles great, and is reliable. I don't think I want to pay $30,000 for a 210HP car though. Thats still 'sporty' but not $30,000 'sporty'. There are a LOT of other choices in the $20,000-$25,000 range that would then be comparable.
Does this mean that if Mazda announces in another 2 months that the car only has 210 HP, which is closer to what some of they dynos are pointing at, i would be SOL.
I don't mind losing 8 hp as long as the car is still sporty, handles great, and is reliable. I don't think I want to pay $30,000 for a 210HP car though. Thats still 'sporty' but not $30,000 'sporty'. There are a LOT of other choices in the $20,000-$25,000 range that would then be comparable.
08-25-2003, 01:50 PM
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Wow.. that's it?!?!?! No explanation.. no details.. just HERE THIS IS OUR OFFER, YOU HAVE UNTIL OCT 1st...
Hmm.. I dunno about you, but it seems like they're just brushing us off. To me, this one page letter, seems insincere and just something someone wrote up quickly to mail ASAP..
I know, Mazda really doesnt have to provide such options, and it's very nice of them to try to help "repay" the owners, but WOW.. at least give us the benefit of the doubt and tell us WHY. There has GOT to be a reason why, not just because, "Oh, we did more testing and now it's not really as beefy as we first listed"...
That's crap.. how long has the RX-8 been in pre-pro, testing, development, blah blah.. and NOW, after its in the market and in owner's hand they find this discrepancy?? BOOL.
Hmm.. I dunno about you, but it seems like they're just brushing us off. To me, this one page letter, seems insincere and just something someone wrote up quickly to mail ASAP..
I know, Mazda really doesnt have to provide such options, and it's very nice of them to try to help "repay" the owners, but WOW.. at least give us the benefit of the doubt and tell us WHY. There has GOT to be a reason why, not just because, "Oh, we did more testing and now it's not really as beefy as we first listed"...
That's crap.. how long has the RX-8 been in pre-pro, testing, development, blah blah.. and NOW, after its in the market and in owner's hand they find this discrepancy?? BOOL.
08-25-2003, 01:54 PM
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Excellent point!! And I believe that's exactly what it means.
And I have a very stinky feeling, as do most here, that's we've lost more than "4%". And in which case, we're all SOL once we take the free candy offered by Mazda.
And I have a very stinky feeling, as do most here, that's we've lost more than "4%". And in which case, we're all SOL once we take the free candy offered by Mazda.
08-25-2003, 02:02 PM
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wow, that's not right...it seems only fair that this agreement is for this stated hp and if we find that it's still not the correct stated hp then they should compensate us even more just for being loyal and keeping the car...it seems that the only people that are going to get screwed are the ones that are sticking with them...my respect for Mazda just keeps getting lower and lower...
08-25-2003, 02:05 PM
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Whether a further claim based on a change of facts is waived or not would depend on the specifc language of the waiver. We'll have to wait and see.
In many cases one would have a further claim if the first waiver was induced by fraudulent misrepresentation, mutual mistake, etc. But again it is dependent on the language of the contract. Most release are drafted to be very broad.
In many cases one would have a further claim if the first waiver was induced by fraudulent misrepresentation, mutual mistake, etc. But again it is dependent on the language of the contract. Most release are drafted to be very broad.
08-25-2003, 02:09 PM
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I called the customer service number. They went through an explanation of the offer and said all of the letters should be sent out by the end of this week.
The customer service rep asked me what I was going to do. I don't know if it was just conversation or if they're keeping a list of responses.
Anyway, I'm keeping the car --
The customer service rep asked me what I was going to do. I don't know if it was just conversation or if they're keeping a list of responses.
Anyway, I'm keeping the car --
08-25-2003, 02:09 PM
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Frankly, I'm amazed they've made ANY sort of response this quickly!
Look at it this way -
- The VERY FIRST RX-8 to go into a US owners hands was on 7-11, about a month and a half ago.
- The first dyno tests were around 2-3 weeks after that, and there was another week of discussion, backing up the test, etc.
So, Mazda, being a large corporation, sat down, did the math on how much they'd be out making this offer (which is similar if not identical to what they did with the Miata), and has already put in place a program and mailed out letters to owners.
That's quick.
I'm glad they're at least making amends - they could EASILY say "oh well, our bad, tough" and not have done anything about it.
I also doubt they would put in a letter mailed to general RX-8 buyers the technical reasons for the discrepancy. "Our testing has shown the connuter valve hangs up while in the forth octave phase, causing a harmonic imbalance that limits VE through the powerplant". There will be an exact answer at some point, but remember, this is a LARGE corporation with lots of lawyers and bean counters - things take time. Not everything happens in "internet time" where a post made a week ago is old news and forgotten.
Personally, I'm not worried - I'm still planning on buying an RX-8. Heck, if I want the extra power, I'll put an intake and cat-back on and go have fun. The car is a great package, whether it's up or down on power.
Dale
Look at it this way -
- The VERY FIRST RX-8 to go into a US owners hands was on 7-11, about a month and a half ago.
- The first dyno tests were around 2-3 weeks after that, and there was another week of discussion, backing up the test, etc.
So, Mazda, being a large corporation, sat down, did the math on how much they'd be out making this offer (which is similar if not identical to what they did with the Miata), and has already put in place a program and mailed out letters to owners.
That's quick.
I'm glad they're at least making amends - they could EASILY say "oh well, our bad, tough" and not have done anything about it.
I also doubt they would put in a letter mailed to general RX-8 buyers the technical reasons for the discrepancy. "Our testing has shown the connuter valve hangs up while in the forth octave phase, causing a harmonic imbalance that limits VE through the powerplant". There will be an exact answer at some point, but remember, this is a LARGE corporation with lots of lawyers and bean counters - things take time. Not everything happens in "internet time" where a post made a week ago is old news and forgotten.
Personally, I'm not worried - I'm still planning on buying an RX-8. Heck, if I want the extra power, I'll put an intake and cat-back on and go have fun. The car is a great package, whether it's up or down on power.
Dale
08-25-2003, 02:26 PM
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Originally posted by Quick_lude
If that's the case then I wouldn't sign it. If the car dyno's around 180whp then the crank hp is closer to 228, not 238hp.
If that's the case then I wouldn't sign it. If the car dyno's around 180whp then the crank hp is closer to 228, not 238hp.