XUrotaryrocket

Hehe. You just proved my point.

John Corbitt

I suspect the L flash will help the flood issue. I have had all three gen RX-7s and this 8. None of my cars flooded. The only problem I have with flood issues is 86-88 RX-7s that I bought for my dealership. they were all high mile cars that were abused. I ran a couple tanks of Cheveron premium fuel through them and never had a problem after that. BTW all of my RX7s and 8s have used premium fuel with frequent oil changes. I personaly have driven almost 1 million miles on rotaries with no engine failures. I wish I could say the same about piston engines I have driven and flown.
I hope they continue building this engine and look foward to seeing them certified for aircraft.

Mazda does provide Roadside assistance with every U.S. car sold.

John

sferrett

Just another data point - I spent a week shutting down cold and stalling the car out and did not get it to flood. So you aren't guaranteed to flood just because you stall the car. I agree that the issue has been blown out of proportion, however it definately does affect some people. I think the car is more likely to exhibit the issue if it's stopped cold and then let sit for a little while...

MMGDC

BillK is absolutely right. I love driving my RX-8, and I even get acceptable mileage (20 MPG average), but my 8 flooded earlier this week despite NEVER having been shut down cold. The last trip before it flooded was a 5 mile jaunt to a restaurant followed by a 8 mile scenic route home. 2 mornings later, flooded.

I have no problem with taking reasonable precautions such as not shutting the car down ice cold, not backing it out of the driveway and shutting it off, or even letting it run for at least 5 minutes, but if the car can flood EVEN IF those precautions are taken it's a serious cause for concern. Like I said before, I love the driving experience of the 8 and am a fan of the rotary engine, but there are many quality car choices out there that don't come with nearly as much negative baggage.

Between the flooding, the horsepower issues and the disappointing mileage, Mazda has a lot to make up for.

White_GTS

You see no one gives this buddy a lecture for trying to flood the car but when I did what he did I got it from you folks.

Remeber this link folks!

https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...s&pagenumber=1

Arcane you must be a special person because you got off easy. Not me!

IKnowNot'ing

Please, by all means, do!

alphapenguin

Yah, it worked for me. I tried the mazda manual way, pressing the gas pedal down, and it wouldnt work, then my brother (who has a FD3s) told me to just take out the fuse for the fuel pump. Voila. Worked, well I also had to jump the car in the process, beacuse of the unsuccessful cranking killed the battery.

edit: i forgot to mention i am finally getting a coinsistent 19MPG. As long as you dont drive like an idiot, the MPG should be ok.

Arcane

maybe nobody has caught it yet. doesn't matter if they do, because i won't reply back with negative comments. i think people attacked you because you threw some light insults their way. or it could be the fact that you stalled it intentionally to flood it whereas, i stalled it to prove it won't flood. or some people like to be mean on the internet because it's a safe place to do it in, typically speaking.

either way, everyone can verbally attack me for what i did...i don't care, the best response they'll get out of me is an "ok" or "cool"

Roaddemon

You probably don't delete this bookmark because Altimas are boring to own and drive. My rx8 has never flooded and I too have turned it off for 10 seconds and restarted it with no problem. You must be jealous.

JaegerNH

Roaddemon:

If it takes driving a boring car to avoid being stranded in my driveway when I need to be somewhere, I can live with that.
Boring works.

If the car did not have the problems that have been explored here ad nauseum, my guess is they'd be flying off the lot and you would have something I desired but couldn't have without a long wait or high markup. Then perhaps you could accuse me of being jealous.

At this point I feel quite smart for not jumping in. If you want to pay for the privilege of field testing their product for them, you're obviously a true fan and I'm sure they appreciate it.

alphapenguin

Why is everyone getting so upset at what Jaeger says? It's his opinion that the 8 is no good, so he doesnt buy it. Only reason he will respond again and again is because people insult him and egg him on.

To be honest I was actually afraid that I may get stranded out somewhere if for some reason my car flooded and wouldnt turn back on. Now I make sure the engine is warm before I shut it off, never had to worry about that with my corolla. now that was an awesome car, 30 mpg!! But it aint no 8:-D

The weather is getting nicer, just enjoy it :-D

911SC

Look people this is 2004. No new car should flood. We had a 1983 RX-7, never flooded. I don't understand why these cars are prone to such a problem. and yes it is a problem. My sisters RX-7 sat in the garage for months on end whike she was living in Spain. I would take it out every now and then just to drive it and not let it sit for too long. At times I would just back it out of the garage, wash it and drive it back in. It always started. don't make excuses for the car, you shouldn't have to educate anyone on how to drive your car. If you need to move your car out of the way, you shouldn't have to let it run for any period of time before you shut it off. I've been waiting for Mazda to come out with a new RX. This is not what I expected.

rieskame

Amen 911SC. A car is a car, not a toy. I wanted to like the car. I should have known that when it took almost a half a tank of gas to get from the dealership to my apartment the day i bought my car (all highway and taken very easily) that something was not right. I figured they didnt fill it up all the way. Education is not the answer, fixing the problem is.

I have now been forced by the Mazda dealership to flood the car over and over in order to get rid of my 8 using the lemon laws instead of compromising. The service manager there didnt even know about the TSB. We will be ready for flood #3 once the car is towed back to my dad's shop. With any luck, I will be rotary free in a few weeks. I took the plate off and got the insurance as minimum as possible. I will not be forced to pray to the rotary gods each time I get in the car for it to start. In effect, I am sacrificing my car to them.

Eric

Roaddemon

Rieskame
The real posts do not support your comments. I've never had any of the problems you suggest. Why would anyone buy a 238 hp rx8 and expect 30mpg like a 110-120hp econobox. Your full of it. For whatever reasons,sounds like your forcing a lemon law on your car.

JaegerNH

Real posts? WTF does that mean?

rieskame - my guess is when it comes to the lemon law stage some regional manager is involved. For dramatic effect, let him get in the car and step by step instruct him how to flood it at will (if he doesn't know already). I'm really surprised more people haven't used the lemon law at this point.

alamike

I owned an 80 RX7 from 1979 to 1984 and I never experienced the flooding phenomena. It was moved and valeted with no problems. The car also had the pull choke that automatically popped back when the car warmed up. Is the flooding an RX8 problem that was not there for the RX7s? Did anyone experience it with later generations of the RX7?

Roaddemon

Real post means Posts that are credible. Yours do not make sense. You two have lemonbrain. Do I smell troll?

MMGDC

Plenty of "real" and credible posters have experienced flooding problems and/or terrible mileage (13 MPG).

The mileage is at least easily explained... short trips, long idle times, and stop n go traffic all have huge negative impacts on mileage. The flooding is a far more significant problem and does not seem to be limited to people who shut the car down ice cold.

PaulieWalnuts

alamike - I've had 5 RX-7s, 81-88. My 88 flooded once after I stalled it when it was below zero here in Chicago. That's it. Rotaries are known to occassionally flood.

I couldn't care less about the flooding, mileage, and other overblown hysteria I've seen on this board. I can't wait to have another rotary car. This Altima-like box that I'm driving now just doesn't put the big grin on my face that my RX's did.

JaegerNH - I can see your point being someone who has never owned a rotary. You don't get it. If you did own one, then you'd understand why so many people don't have a problem with 15 mpg and look for an excuse to take the long route every chance they get. There simply is nothing like it. Give the RX-8 a try. You'll be converted. Otherwise,

http://www.nissantalk.com/forum/

JaegerNH

Paulie - just to set the record straight, I owned a 1987 RX-7 and drove it happily for 12 years. During that time I flooded it about 3 times. The first 2 times I simply let it sit and it later cranked over. By the 3rd time I knew to remove the fuel inj fuse, crank it to clear the gas then put it back and try again. The point being I was never stranded, just delayed. What I'm seeing on this board is people who have flooded 3 times in 9 months requiring a tow to the nearest dealership. That's a huge difference.

I agree, there are quite a few people that are not having any problems with their car and don't mind the low fuel economy. But to have these people diminish the concerns of those that are having a miserable experience so far is disappointing.

Roaddemon

My car was flashed in December before I bought it. Maybe that explains why I have had no flooding problems. I think flooding is an old issue. The reflash seems to take care of it. Otherwise this car is close to perfect. I also had two 1st generation rx7s. Both were great cars. Never flooded them or even Knew about rx7 flooding problems (that was before forums like this). You guys are making a big deal about nothing. I'm sure there are lemons out there. I sure don't have one.
Fuel economy is the same as my EX 626 2.5 six cylinder. WITH 70HP MORE TO BOOT. I could'nt be happier.
Why do people complain, here, who have no real issues or do not even own an 8? That's not what this forum is for (IMO). You know who you are. Trolls.

Reeko

IMHO,
Most of the people (not saying that there were many) that towed their car to the dealer did it for 2 reasons.
1)They did not know how to un-flood the car (pull the pump fuse or do the throttle to the floor thing)
or
2)They tried the re-start procedure but the battery was weak.

I believe for one thing that the stock battery is a little on the weak side , esp when cold.
I will probably get a "Good" battery some time in the future.

I don't think the RX8 floods any more than any of the RX7s.
People blow this way out of proportion.

rieskame

The first time it flooded i had to pull the fuel pump fuse and connect the battery to a charger to get it unflooded. That procedure works, but isnt feasible if you are anywhere but home. I drive 90% highway and was getting 15mpg constantly.

PaulieWalnuts

JaegerNH - then you should know exactly what I'm talking about. RX's can be a love/hate deal. I said after I owned my first one, I'd never buy another. I've owned 5 and will own more.

All of you people who hate your 8, gave it back, etc., will eventually get used to it and/or get another one sometime down the road. It's in your blood. The fact that you are still on this board proves my point.

The difference is you know how to recover a flooded rotary. First time rotary owners don't and have no choice but to get a tow. Why are you concerned if you know how to? And also, what MPG did you get with yours? Let me guess. 20-22 MPG unless you drove it like a race car and then you got 13-15. Sound familiar?

So, JaegerNH, when are you getting yours? You can keep trying to convince yourself that you don't want one by bringing up all of the issues but you know as well as I do that you will get one.

JaegerNH

I'm concerned that recovering from a flooded engine with the 8 has more to it than the 7. See the Mazda service bulletin about what the techs are told to do at http://www.finishlineperformance.com.../01-011-04.htm

With my RX-7, I routinely got around 25 MPG with mostly highway driving. I'd still consider getting an RX-8, once I get some indication that they have a handle on the problems and ways to correct them. Whether that's 2005, 2006, or 2007 I'm not sure.