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Old 04-11-2013, 11:22 AM
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Breaking in a new engine, mileage, best practice, things to avoid?

So let me make this clear, I'm going to say something about mileage in this thread, IT IS NOT A COMPLAINT, it's a question of new vs old and breaking in. I could care less if I only get 10mpg so long as I love the car, it just means I'll buy another car for commuting to work. Now that we are past that, I want to drive this car all the time so here I go lol.

My big thing is that this engine has less than 300 miles on it. It was replaced last week right before I got the car. Right now she gets 16mpg on average, and that's on an average 20mile commute to work, staying in the 3-4.5k rpm range, using Shell 91, 5w30 oil. I haven't started using premix yet as I'm trying to get a baseline for how it runs and what is improved as I introduce new variables into the equation so I can definitively say "Chang B improved thing D" sort of stuff. I'm a little apprehensive about really cutting her loose with so few miles on the engine. Plus I have noticed that when I'm around the 3k rpm range I hear kind of a raspy sound when I accelerate to higher rpms quickly, I don't know how the engine is supposed to sound in that respect, so I don't now if that's normal (this is my first sports car, and the hours upon hours of reading I did before getting this car didn't turn up anything like that).

The thing is, I should be at about 500-700 miles when I plan on taking a trip up to Chicago from Nashville. I'm looking at about a total of 1200 miles of driving. My big thing is if there is anything I should be aware of before taking a trip in this car? I've read that it's a good idea to rev her up a few times here and there, and don't drive at a consistent speed/rpm for long periods, along with making sure to carry a jug of distilled water and quart of oil with you. Since I'm still new, and I'm reading so much conflicting things, I'm wondering if anyone out there has done a road trip in their rx8?

Should I expect the same 16mpg for the trip? Or is this just a new engine thing? My buddy said that after about 15k miles on his Evo his mileage got better. Like I said, I don't care, but I am the budget-writer in my house and when buying the car I was expecting 18-20mpg at worse.

So far this car is just amazing, I can't believe how many people come ask me when I park or at the station what kind of car it is lol. People just stare and act like I'm driving a 60k car or something lol. One guy even asked if there was anyway to get the car for under 50k ?!?!?!?!

Man, Mazda's advertising of this car must have sucked around here lol.

On a side note, I read the Cobb accessport eco map was total trash. In the opinions of those who use it, are there any other places for maps other than cobb . mazda RX-8 accessport . map listing

I'm thinking I could do something with Cobb to help out with my 40 mile round trip commute to work every day vs weekend driving. Eventually I'll probably buy another car, but I wont lie, this car is awesome and I'd just assume drive it everywhere for now lol.

So, input on breaking in a new engine? I know I was kind of all over the place here.
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hey Tethlah, welcome to the cult...errr.... "club"

Glad you're enjoying the new car and I commend you for doing your research not only before buying the car but before starting a new thread.
It sounds to me like you're aware of the most popular methods for breaking in a motor. Racing Beat has a solid method they recommend RX8 Break In Procedures but that is mainly on new motors.
Sounds to me like your car has a Remanufactured engine (as do many of us who needed an engine replacement) so your break in won't have to be as thorough since some of the parts in your motor are used.

I did notice that my RX-8's fuel mileage increased over time when I originally purchased the vehicle (up to about the first 5,000 miles) but your mileage will probably stay fairly steady.

As for road trips, plenty here have done them and I'll give you the same advice I give everyone else: It's a car, just drive it like you would any other.

as for the Cobb: do what most people here do and google search Mazda Maniac. He's no longer on these forums but he's the exclusive AccessPORT distributor for our car.

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i just treat it like a new engine, the actual procedure is in the owners manual, which is on the Mazdausa website if you don't have it.

you wanna keep it under 4,000rpm and maybe under 40% throttle for 1000km's, after that an oil change isn't a bad idea, but you're free to jump on it.

mileage should come up to 20-22 on a road trip.

varying the rpm's is so the piston rings seat on a piston engine, but we don't have any on a rotary, basically you're just bedding the 4 bearings in and the apex seals on the rotor housings.
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Just don't red line it cold....ever.
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Welcome, you can search around and you'll find there are various ways to break in the engine. There are also many opinions, I personally decided to break in the engine through high rpm and not babying it. It is a reman, there are used parts...

I drove the first 20 miles from 4k rpm all the way to 8k rpm. 5 miles in each range from 4-8k rpm. The only thing through this method is you should watch your coolant and oil temperature. After those 20 miles I immediately changed my oil, it's also a good idea to have a magnetic drain plug. There was accumulated metal pieces, and after that I drove about 250 miles normally with varying higher rpm. Then switched to synthetic. Some people don't agree with this method, some do. Look up rotarygod's posts about this if you're interested.

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Originally Posted by j9fd3s
i just treat it like a new engine, the actual procedure is in the owners manual, which is on the Mazdausa website if you don't have it.

you wanna keep it under 4,000rpm and maybe under 40% throttle for 1000km's, after that an oil change isn't a bad idea, but you're free to jump on it.

mileage should come up to 20-22 on a road trip.

varying the rpm's is so the piston rings seat on a piston engine, but we don't have any on a rotary, basically you're just bedding the 4 bearings in and the apex seals on the rotor housings.
All of this.
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Welcome, you can search around and you'll find there are various ways to break in the engine. There are also many opinions, I personally decided to break in the engine through high rpm and not babying it. It is a reman, there are used parts...

I drove the first 20 miles from 4k rpm all the way to 8k rpm. 5 miles in each range from 4-8k rpm. The only thing through this method is you should watch your coolant and oil temperature. After those 20 miles I immediately changed my oil, it's also a good idea to have a magnetic drain plug. There was accumulated metal pieces, and after that I drove about 250 miles normally with varying higher rpm. Then switched to synthetic. Some people don't agree with this method, some do. Look up rotarygod's posts about this if you're interested.

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there are many opinions, but Mazda actually has a simple procedure that is actually based on reality.
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Originally Posted by j9fd3s
there are many opinions, but Mazda actually has a simple procedure that is actually based on reality.
What reality? The reality that most remans ends up failing sooner rather than later... This isn't a "new" engine. I premixed from day 1 with my reman, and broke it in hard. After 6k miles my car feels great, usually doesn't see over 200 F coolant temps, and I vary the RPM in the upper range daily. I get 20-25 MPG on the high way according to my cobb and torque.

Originally Posted by rotarygod
I agree with the run hard breakin. Let's face it, at the speeds the engine turns, those wimpy little springs under the seals aren't what is holding them to the walls of the combustion chamber. It is the inertia of the seals but more importantly the pressure of the gasses within the engine. At low loads and low speeds, we don't have as much of either. The seals aren't really wearing in as quickly. Any small irregularites are also more likely to be skipped over by the seals too. Running it hard at first holds pressure against the walls and allows the seals to break in very quickly and evenly. The 1st 20 miles of a new engines life are the most critical ones. None of this matters what type of engine it is.

People like to say that you are also breaking in the bearings. Untrue completely. If your oil is doing it's job properly, there is never any metal to metal contact in bearings. It can't really break in if it never touches anything. The only time you ever see evidence of metal to metal contact within bearings is when the oil system fails or when a car has been sitting a long time without being started and the oil has drained out of the engine. Any markings you see are not from breaking in but rather another source.

Breaking in an engine in this manner will result in a better sealing engine that makes mroe power. Several auto manufacturers rev their engines up to redline immediately after they warm up on the first startup. Race teams do this as well. They don't do it because they get rebuilt every so often. They do it because it makes more power and that plus reliability are what is needed to win a race. Time between rebuilds is irrelevant.

Slow gentle breakin periods that are recommended are the worst way to break in an engine. Ponder this, if something is done wrong once, and then the same thing is done wrong again and again until it becomes common practice and widely accepted, when does this wrong become right? The fact is that wrong never becomes right but rather the perception of what is wrong and right changes.

Here's how to properly break in a new engine. The very first time it is started let it warm up to normal opperating temperatures. You don't want to floor it immediately after it starts up as some oil has flowed off of the bearings and you need time for it to recirculate. Once at warm up temperature, drive hard! take it up through the gears at full throttle several times. Drive the engine hard for about the first 20 miles. Then change the oil and the filter. Yes after only 20 miles. The hard break in on the seals (not the bearings) has left some metal shavings in the system that need to be removed. Only mineral based oils should be used during breakin. Drive the rest of the first 500 miles as you normally would the car. At 500 miles change the oil and filter again. At this point you can switch to synthetics if you want to. I run them in my rotaries. I don't care what the manual says. Results say more than words in a book. Over half of your break in was done in the first 20 miles and the other half was done in the next 500 or so miles. That's it. No need to baby the car around. You'll most likely make less power in the long run this way. This is a very different way of thinking but it works.
Here is a previous reman break in thread.

https://www.rx8club.com/rx-8-discuss...-232193/page2/

Another procedure from olddragger.

Originally Posted by olddragger
my break in procedure--i do install my own engines

1- regular 10/40 dino oil first --prime the oil system before starting----start get the engine up to normal operating temps for about 20 minutes. turn it off and change the oil and filter. PUT A MAGNET SOMEWHERE IN THE OIL SYSTEM--on the filter--the oil pan drainage plug--it doesnt matter
2- after first oil change--drive the car normally varying loads and rpm ( no redlining but do go past 6 k)for 100 miles--change oil and filter again. still us dino oil. watch the engine and oil temps. Do not let the engine coolant get past 220F.Do not let the engine get to 210-215F on a regular basis. Do not let oil get pass 230F during this time.
3- drive for 1K miles 75% load, 75% rpm ( from redline)
4- Change the oil again--now use synthetic--you need a 40w oil or one that has the hths number of a 40 wgt such as redlines 5w/30.
5- dont let engine set and idle for "warm up" in the mornings--crank it-idle for just a few seconds--then drive in a normal manner.

This style of break in has given me the best results.
after 5K miles or so--you can redline it --full load it etc.
use this info if you think it can help.
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