Chris Ryan

Hey guys i've been searching around about the accesport and didn't found my answer. So i was wondering if i was buying it from mazdamaniac would i be able to increase MAX Rpms ? that about all i wanna do. so does the device let me do it ?

thanks

Jedi54

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that is possible with the US model so I'm sure Mazdamaniac can do that for your vehicle as well.
(send him an email verifying that's possible with your EU RX8)

ShinkaEvo

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Obviously you didn't do your homework...

wcs

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Blah this always ends badly but I will try once again against my better judgment.

The physical actual device the Cobb AP is only a tool that will allow you to load new ECU maps and monitor your cars vitals.
So the answer is no you cannot raise the rpm limit with the Cobb AP device

However you can load new map with an increase rpm limit.
You do this using the access tuner race software.

Edit. You need to download this software. It does not come with the device

Chris Ryan

thanks for answers.

i just don't get how him giving me the maps will work... when i buy it will there be any maps preloaded on it ? or does it have to be specific to my car and take times ? cause I'm planning on buying it.

Jedi54

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Chris:
The AP does not come with any maps pre-loaded.
MM will have to "make" you a map that he will email to you, this will be specific to your car.

The map is made as part of his Calibration Service (this is extra $$)

read here: MazdaManiac HOME

Chris Ryan

So buying the Accesport itself won't do much... what about COBB ?

reality_storm

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My AP came with maps. Stage 1, valet, econo, and I think one more, can't remember what it was.

Jedi54

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you're not paying attention.
re-read WCS's post.
re-read what MM has on his website.

The AccessPORT is capable of doing what you want but you'll need someone to do it for you. (ie; pay MM or learn to write tuning maps yourself) The 2nd I would not recommend.

Jedi54

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those are standard one-size-fits-all maps.
The Stage 1 is terrible.
the valet is rather funny, just limits the max rpm to something dismal like 3,000.
Econo: never tried it. Wasn't fond of the idea

HiFlite999

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There are "tunes" = "maps" pre-loaded onto the AccessPort by Cobb. The most useful map of these is called "Stock Style". When you get a new AP, the first step is to "marry" the AP to the car. This copies the PCM program from the car into the AP where it is stored until the unit is "unmarried" where it's copied back if the AP is to be sold or the car is returned to stock.

After "marriage", load in the "Stock Style" tune into the PCM from the AP. It is Cobb's copy of the Mazda stock program, with the crucial difference is in that it can be edited. Using the free program Race Tuner, downloaded from the Cobb site, you can copy the "Stock Style" and other tunes to your laptop, open them with Race Tuner, change the contents, and save (presumably under a different filename). You then copy the edited file to the AP, then use the AP to load the file into the car's PCM.

MM has you download one of his own "tunes" to start with. He has you load it, then take the car through some tests while logging data onto the AP. You then copy that data to your laptop, and upload it to him. He uses it to edit his starter file, customizing it to your car, then sends it to you for upload into your car. You take data with that, repeat, and after a couple iterations, it's supposed to be tuned. The major difference is that his files are locked - you can neither read, nor edit them yourself.

HiFlite999

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The Econ does work pretty well if you can live with a 6k rpm redline. Stage 1 causes some cars to go lean, mine did that some. The Stock Style works just like stock near as I could tell. It's a starting point for one's own adjustments.

I'm doing the tuning myself. MMs tunes may/may not be ok, but dealing with him is a PIA, or it was in my case at least.

HiFlite999

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Most consider raising the rpm limit to be unwise. If that's all you have planned, the cost involved is not worth it.

reality_storm

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I know, I thought the stage 1 was terrible too, however I was just pointing out that mine did come preloaded with maps. MM's maps were much better. And definitely worth it.

reality_storm

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I thought the service was fine. Time consuming mind you, but fine. I couldn't get him added to my friends list on google+ and he acted like it was my fault, but once we got through that, he was pleasant enough.

Emery_

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Holy crap this guy need to be spoon fed. Everything they told you could have been found out on your own by searching.

Hiflite has a point, if you see his schedule for when he can tune, it's a pia and takes a while. If you're paying for a service it would be nice if it could be done when you can or want it to be done, not vice versa. But that's his way, he's good at what he does... Kane is another tuner I believe as well.

Posted From RX8Club.com Android App

Jedi54

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Service Levels aside, I have my doubts that the OP fully understands what the MMCCS entails and what is required from both parties to achieve the desired results.

I suggest we focus on that aspect first.

HiFlite999

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I'm guessing English is not his mother tongue.

And envy the superb mountain roads he has to play on.

rickeo

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Just because i'm curious, what exactly do you think increasing the rev limiter will allow you to do? Seeing as how all the research done by RX-8 owners on this forum points to such a modification being incredibly useless, I'm curious as to your reasoning's.

wcs

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I knew this would end badly.
The desire for a increased rpm limit is likely just for bragging rights.

Spoon just one more thing.
You can download the access tuner race software for free.
It opens with the stock map. Which you can change the rpm limit for easily.
Save map
Load map to Cobb ap
Hook Cobb ap to car and load map.
Done.

However I would read everything posted in this thread until you can recite it.
Some posts are aggressive but all are helpful.

RIWWP

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Chris,

The COBB AccessPORT is a tool, much like a wrench. To us, you are asking: "Can I remove my engine with this wrench?" Well, kinda. It's part of what is involved. You won't be able to make any progress without it, but even if you have that wrench, if all you do is hit yourself in the face with it, you won't get anywhere toward your goal. It has to be used appropriately, and it is simply one of many pieces that you will need to get there.

In more practical terms, the AP is nothing more than a communication device, a phone if you will. It can communicate with the OEM ECU. What it tells the ECU is entirely dependant on what information you are pushing through. If all you are pushing through is requests to clear codes, then that is all it's going to do. In order to increase the rev limit, you need to have the AP "flash" a map to the ECU.

But you have to get this map first.

Well, what is a map? A map is basically a digital copy of the ECU's parameters and tables that it uses to manage the car. Much like if you right click on a picture on the web and click "save-as" and save it to your computer. Just like that. You can upload that picture to the web if you want, and everything is exactly like it was.

But, you want a change. Lets say that the picture was of a girl with a big mole on her face. You wanted to touch that up and remove it. Well, you will use some other software to make those edits. Then you have to upload the new picture to replace the original. That's all the AP is doing when you flash a map. It's uploading the digital copy of the ECU's data files.

What tuners do, is they make edits to the data files to adjust fueling, timing, CEL blocks, rev limit changes, etc... as needed. Then they load them into the AP via USB and use the AP via ODB2 to load the flash to the ECU, applying the changes.


So you can get the AP to help you toward your goal, but you will also either need the software to make the edits AND the knowledge of what you are doing (because it's not a simple process of point and click), or you will also need the services of someone that does have the software and does know what they are doing. If you pick the 2nd option you will also need to pay them a fee of some sort, and probably work within their scheduling.






All of that being said...

Raising your rev limit past 9,000rpm will do nothing but allow you to generate much more heat, not any more power (it's already dropping off by 9,000rpm), and leave your engine at risk of further damage from e-shaft flex allowing the rotor tips to contact the housings, damaging both as well as the seal caught in between the two during impact.

If you have one of the European-only 5-speed transmissions with 6-port engines, then you probably can raise it safely to 9,000rpm.

So if you get an AP and get your car tuned, please do it for the right reasons...

ShellDude

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A couple more points as I do not believe they were spelled out.

If your car is not USDM or USCA spec there will be ZERO maps for you. Cobb will also likely not have a version of ATR that is supported for your car so your ONLY option is to use Jeff's tuning service as he has exclusive rights to the professional version of the Cobb tuning software and can create EU spec maps.

Given the way this thread has turned out if you do decide to go with an AccessPORT it is clear to me that the only way you'll be successful is through Jeff's service.

When you reach out to him, be sure to ask as many questions as possible and be sure to repeat them even after he answers -- remember to do so repeatedly. The simpler the question the better.

Chris Ryan

Thanks for your answers guys. I've checked his website... The only reason i want the rpm limit higher is because i have the 5 speed MT EU model and rev limiter is at 8000rpm and i want it to be up to 9000 like the 6 Speed Mt or 10'000 max ( 10'000 would be just for show).

Would it be possible if anybody sends me a stock map of their 6speed Mt ?

Thanks

RIWWP

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10,000rpm is only for show if you are actually going to spin your engine that high for someone looking over your shoulder. In which case you can then also pull the engine and show them where the tips contacted the housing.

Just for show.


You tachometer's redline visually won't increase, you need a different tach for that, and getting a tach that shows a 10,000rpm redline is a bit safer for "show" than doing damage to your engine.


If you adjust it, no more than 9,000. It's enough bragging rights.


Were you aware that more than a couple people are lowering their rev limit to 8,500-8,600? Just to stay on the safer side.

wcs

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+1
I'm at 8600