Swap to end all swaps
01-19-2017, 09:25 AM
#77
So much for "plug and play" swap and "direct bolt in" which he kept repeating in his earlier video's. I was genuinely curious in this kit (and still might be depending on price) but there is so much modification that have been done and extra's that are going to be needed - there is no way this kit will be anywhere near as simple and financially economical as he made it out to be.
Here's hoping we are all pleasantly surprised.
Here's hoping we are all pleasantly surprised.
I hope you are pleasantly surprised as well. You are right, we have gone overboard on this build, it has taken a lot longer than expected and the final product as depicted in the videos will be more expensive than initially projected especially with all the cooling mods we decided to do in the engine bay.
We have not cut any corners, overlooked any issues, or rushed the job. We have built what we consider to be one of the finest Turbo Swap Kits out there. When this project car is finished the proof will be in the final finished product. You and anyone else interested in this kit are welcome to come and visit the shop, take a test drive and judge for yourself whether we nailed it or not.
Contrary to what you have suggested, the final package will be a drop in plug and play solution. Since we have done all the engineering to make this package as user friendly as possible, even a novice mechanic should be able to tackle the job in less than a couple of weeks with the parts we are going to be custom fabricating.
We will have a complete condensed build video that shows every step in the process of completing the swap once this car is finished.
The videos documenting the build show a lot of trial and error research and development that went into this project. Some things we did in earlier videos we decided against as the build progressed to simplify the installation for the end user. This is not staged or scripted, it is real life and better than so called "reality TV" shows out there because it is authentic and happening in real time.
Of course the final swap kit will not be within everyone's budget, so we will be selling the parts individually so you DIY experts can use what you want to build your own set up. Or you can do it in stages as you can afford it. What we have designed will provide the most reliable performance over the long term, which winds up being a lot cheaper in the end as your less likely to have a failure of the weakest link which could cost you an engine. As Carlos says, "overbuild it and under-drive it" - this translates into the best reliability and winds up being the cheapest solution over the long run. In this arena, you do get what you pay for.
Anyone can slap a cheap chinese turbo on a renesis engine if they want to hoon on the car for a few thousand miles. That's not what we are after though. Along with performance and reliability, we also make safety a paramount concern as well. In fact I just got the Yellow Racing Coilover Suspension and brake upgrades (SS Brake Lines) we are putting on the project car for safety and control together with Front and Rear Anti-sway bars for improved cornering. I am also planning on installing the big brake kit eventually as well as I'm sure we are going to trash and warp the brake rotors on this car pretty quickly.
Will you need these upgrades on your car? Maybe not, but if you have ever been in a turbo rotary powered car putting out 500 HP you don't want to find out the hard way what happens when you under-build something and over-drive it. The factory suspension and brakes work fine on a car with 250 HP, and they will work on the same car with double the HP. How well they will work is another story altogether. I would rather have more brakes than I need rather than not enough especially when driving a built street car with as much power as a race car.
I'm about to order a vented hood because that is an integral part of the whole cooling system that CLR has designed for this set up. I could try to modify the stock hood, and maybe will take a crack at it, but this carbon fiber hood has the ducting in the perfect position for the radiator and the inter-cooler. That's another $650 investment in the reliability of this build. Plus it looks awesome!
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02-03-2017, 04:13 PM
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Thank you for the information - can you tell us the general region in terms of cost for this build excluding extra's such as the carbon fiber hood, suspension, gauges etc.
03-06-2017, 08:36 PM
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Welcome aboard. We have two race motors with deadlines to finish by April and May, so will be busy for the next 6-8 weeks on those contracts, but I will try to upload some new video of what we've done lately and maybe by this summer we will finish the project Turbo RX8 car.
06-11-2017, 06:04 AM
#81
So....how's it coming? Would love to have this package complete so I can do this swap. Haven't seen a renesis turbo build get north of 400 HP without suffering catastrophic failure, and keeping all the electronics working would be soooo nice. Especially keeping A/C, considering I live in Arizona and not having an AC is not an option.
So please, finish this so I can give you all my money. I know I can't be the only one interested, if this turns out to be as promised, you better brace yourself for the flood.
So please, finish this so I can give you all my money. I know I can't be the only one interested, if this turns out to be as promised, you better brace yourself for the flood.
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06-11-2017, 01:35 PM
#82
We have 4 RX8's sitting patiently in the parking lot waiting for their turbo transformation. These cars will be listed for sale here on the forum, as well as the website once they are done.
Depending on the demand, there will probably be a lag time before we get spooled up, and begin shipping kits, so stay tuned for more frequent updates on this swap to end all swaps!
Depending on the demand, there will probably be a lag time before we get spooled up, and begin shipping kits, so stay tuned for more frequent updates on this swap to end all swaps!
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10-23-2017, 11:22 AM
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I'm sure there is a good reason for this, but I haven't seen anyone use a spacer between the REW front iron and the MSP front cover to gain clearance for the REW front counterweight. Has anyone tried this, or can someone please explain to me the issues associated with this approach?
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10-24-2017, 09:01 AM
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The counterweight sinks into the front MSP iron and is closer to the front rotor. With the REW front iron there is no area for the counterweight to sink into. So the counterweight is moved like 3/4" outward from the front rotor. This explains why you have to modify the front MSP cover to accept the counterweight, because modifying the REW iron would be impossible.
Making a spacer that would go between the REW front iron and the MSP front cover would move your front cover outside of your oil pan (now your modifying your oil pan), would likely interfere with your trigger wheel and crank pulley, and more. You also have oil that goes from the front iron through the front cover and to the oil cooler. Modifying the front cover is the easiest.
Making a spacer that would go between the REW front iron and the MSP front cover would move your front cover outside of your oil pan (now your modifying your oil pan), would likely interfere with your trigger wheel and crank pulley, and more. You also have oil that goes from the front iron through the front cover and to the oil cooler. Modifying the front cover is the easiest.
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10-26-2017, 08:44 AM
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+1... I'm waiting to start my swap until they are finished. Carlos mentioned in an earlier video that certain parts may be available separately. I'm not going race car with my cooling solution so I don't really care about moving the rad or special ducting to get the air to the IC. I'm going to use a front mount IC, larger oil coolers, aluminum rad with upgraded fan control/thermostat.
11-08-2017, 02:27 PM
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I know Carlos. We hung out a couple years at 7stock back when it was still at Mazda R&D and HQ and we'd spend time at Racing Beat on Sunday. I respect him a lot for his rotary knowledge and abilities. Im hoping episode 29 or 30 brings us a running car...
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