Rkesh88

how much more or less would a 20b cost compared to the 2jz.

sixgen3sgte

what handling problem

please stop getting aggressive, no one is forcing you to do this swap, please don't down others because they do not think like you

sixgen3sgte

the 20b i know cost douple what a 2j does motor wise

i don't know what else is required for the swap

HeavyMetal699

I've been in cars with over 600 horsepower. Really its nothing that special. Once you push it a dozen or so times it feels normal while everything else seems damn slow.

Your 2JZ project looks awesome though. Just realize engine swaps will always be a rarity. That's what makes them so special. Of the dozen or so people that voted Yes maybe 1 of them will have the funds, time, and commitment to do the swap.

sixgen3sgte

exactly, and its not something everyone would want to drive daily, but others damand it for dail driving

everyone is different and so are there prefrences, but i don't think we have to down each other for it



and i know, 1 would be pushing it
i won't be sending pm's to everyone who voted to ask them when they are sending me thier car, the poll is just asking would you? not are you?

i was actually just curiouse, becasue while making miy motor mounts, i may make more than one pair, and other things like that, i have plenty of metal and what not, so i might as well go ahead and make a second set of mounts

Mazdaspeed RX8 ver2

i voted no because i choose the rx8 over a supra. if i wanted to have a 2jz, i would of just bought the supra but i wanted the balance of a rotary. jus my opinion

cmr333

hmmmmm . well from personal experiance with what ive been doing for the past months putting the sr in my 8 i can say these few things.for starters getting your steering geometry to where you can drive the car and not have huge amounts of bump steer is going to be hard, we had to move my steering rack forward about 5" to clear the crank pulley and that is after notching the firewall and pushing the engine as far back as possible. you are going to have alot of trouble there im just going to warn you now. im not sure how tall the 2jz is compared to the sr but i have roughlu 4" of hood clearance and my ground clearance is the same as stock. your trans mounts and exhaust routing should be cake. replaceing the ppf isnt to bad you just have to get creative with making a brace that is stout enough to hold the diff. i would be concerned about the weight as well but i have no idea how much the 2jz weighs. i know we dropped a hell of alot of weight by doing my swap, i havent been on the scales yet but my front end sits about 2" higher than it was. but we did have to make a custom subframe and motor mounts to get this thing in properly and that is alot of fun let me tell ya. this will be an interesting swap to see i have to say. if i can help anyway let me know, you are going to have your hands full my freind

BlueRenesis82

Sarcasm alert!

legendkurado

A 2JZ is an interesting swap for the 8, and I think with the power to weight ratio it would make the 8 (which is typically picked on for it's performance at the drag) a potential drag car. Not to mention the 2JZ how easy it is to go boost happy with that engine, and not have to worry about it. However, I think that does defeat the whole purpose of what the car was originally built for. A swap like this would be taking the 8 towards another direction, I just think that there are much lighter and cheaper shells to swap this engine to rather than the 8. Just my opinion so I voted no. Though mad props, been following your swap ever since day 1.

RockTown07

iTrader: (1)

Very interesting swap, love the 2JZ engine! When you get this up and running they way you want it to definitely post up videos! Good luck with everything!

sixgen3sgte

bump more votes please

Jedi54

iTrader: (7)

NO

engine overrated
defeats the entire purpose of having an 8

NgoRX8

iTrader: (1)

I wouldn't do it.

sixgen3sgte

i would also like to here more reasons why people voted yes
it seems most posts are from people who voted no


but thanks to all for the input, i am kind of suprised at how many have voted yes
but like i said i was just kind of gauging how many peopl that own rx8's are open to different power options

Blackout04RX

I definately support looking for alternatives to the Renesis, I think anyone who completely shuts out the idea of swaps has lots all sight of what the sport compact community is all about. Stop saying hes stupid for doing the swap, a simple "I wouldn't do it" is all you need. Noone can deny that the renesis just doesnt have the reliability at 400+ HP. And if you really want to crush the competition, thats what you need to do. I love how the rotary works and sounds, but I am realistic about its limitations. And the next time any of you think the 2JZ is outdated, or overrated, line up with one. In a line, around a curve, or going sideways, a turbo supra will spank the 8.

bse50

The fact is that with the chassis that we own there's no need for 400hp. All you have to do is remove all the excessive weight, change the suspension set up and learn not to remove your foot from the right pedal.
Now, with a well balanced car it is much easier but when you start adding weight on the nose will waste the more hp you'll get from that engine.
A 300hp turbo renesis would do, imho since it won't change the balance of the car that much.
This car is meant to be driven, not to be a dyno queen

sixgen3sgte

bump for more votes

rotarygod

I'd put a rotary in a Supra. Then again I'd also put a rotary in a Corvette too so to each their own. To answer the question, no I wouldn't do it. I'm not against piston engines and there are some damn fine ones out there. I just think the 2JZ isn't one of them and is overrated based solely on block strength which overshadows it's multiple shortcomings. That's just my opinion though and there are obviously many people who disagree.

I'm of the opinion that what makes a rotary powered car special is it's powerplant and without a rotary under the hood, it's just another car. Saying that, with every other car out there having a piston engine under the hood, when it comes down to it, they are all the same. Sure the displacement is different, the powerbands can be different, power is different, etc but at the end of the day it's 100 year old technology with a computer on it and everyone has one. I like unique. The rotary isn't "new" but it is newer. Age aside it's really a being different aspect that I like. I don't consider a 2JZ in a rotary car being different. I consider it conforming to the masses. In regards to rotaries, those who can, do. Those who can't, go piston. That's the way it's always been.

Yes, I'm biased.

sixgen3sgte

hey I was wandering if you would post here. I have seen you on here since I first registered after getting my 8, and I have always thought you brought loads of knowledge to the table.

however, and I say this in the nicest way possible, which is sometimes hard to do on forums without being able to show emotion, but i think your post is ignorant (mostly the second pargragh).

i am going to point out what parts i think are basicly just plain wrong, but like you said "to each their own".


yes there are, and if i posted a similar thread on the supra forums i would get a very different response. the fact of the matter is is that this entire forums is biased really, I won't say most rx8 drivers are but i would say that most forum members (certainly the ones who have posted here) have previously owned rotaries i am really doing this much more for the side of the community that kind of fell into this car and are not happy with the power of the cars and their are lots of people like that out there i am one of them
i'm not looking to change the rotary community, but i do see this as a better alternative than giving up on japan all together and putting in an LS1

i am actually very suprised i have gotten as many yes votes as i have, i do wish more how have voted yes would post thier reasons, as most post have been on the no side


with this mentality why are you driving a large metal stucture on four wheels using a sterring wheel, sure they have different options, and styling and features, and powerplants, but in the end they are really all the same
why not drive a hover board
not trying to sound sarcstic, but that is just plan wrong imho, saying that a piston powerd rx8 is just like everyone out there, i my opinion any engine swap from one manufacturer to another is very different regaudless


there is such a saying that disagrees with you "tried and tue"


putting a different moter in a RX8 is not conforming, if anything by leaving a rotary in your car, you are conforming to the rx8 masses
again not trying to be mean or even argue, just stating where i am coming from and why i did this swap to begin with.

to be honest i don't think this is about rotary vs psiton, i think its about "taking the soul out of the car" this is exactly to the tee the reaction to the 2jz swap into the honda s2000.

In my opinion the soul of the car is the driver, and whatever makes that individual happy makes them happy and no one should be able to take that away from them.

there i'll step down off my soap box lol, i am working my *** off to finish this car as fast as i can and i really think i will be able to prove some peopl wrong, but even if i don't, I honestly think i'll be happier with the car

and yes I am biased as well (being a toyota tech)

sixgen3sgte

bump, want more votes

636

I agree , people on the rx8 forum are biased. What did you expect man? Most people in this forum think the rotary is the best **** out there. You're talking to rx8 enthusiasts , not CAR enthusiasts. IMO i like pistons and rotaries , dont care if its jap or american made , as long as i see results. But handling wise ...will probably go to **** , this is the major reason people bought the rx8 in the first place , for handling. But i voted YES lol. I feel like a jew in a middle of a **** crowd. I probably wont be doing this realistically , not because i dont want to , more like because i live in california. But if you do decide to do the swap you must give me a discount for voting YES ...after i move to florida of course.

callan

I give you a big yes. I love my 8 as well, and the feel of the rotary is intoxicating. BUT, i do feel it to be underpowered. And for that reason alone id love to move to a 3 rotor or even the fd turbo.... but the cost of doing a rotary swap is crazy and since im in northern ontario canada, no one knows how to work on them. I personally love the 2jz swap and think the car will handle the weight just fine. If i were to do a swap, it would be a 2jz or rb hands down. PLUS if you get bored you can bump it up to 1000hp and destroy vettes on your sunday cruise.

csl

try this

http://forcefedracing.ca/

willnordacgreen1211

iTrader: (3)

2 gay z swaps are so common now its as trendy as a b series swap in a honda.... this thread sucks

callan

whats your recommendation for an engine swap then?