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cheapest trusted ignition coils 2014?
Hi rx8club!
Has anyone recently ordered good ignition coils from somewhere for a good price?
I have been looking for ignition coils and found some great deals on ebay (like $16/coil) but there was a thread I found on this forum that warned against ebay ignition coils. There were some other threads that I found that recommend coils but they seem outdated (like 2011-2012). Where can I find the cheapest trusted ignition coils? People seem to be recommending bhr coils but I can't find where to buy them. Even on the bhr site I could only find "ignition systems"
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Has anyone recently ordered good ignition coils from somewhere for a good price?
I have been looking for ignition coils and found some great deals on ebay (like $16/coil) but there was a thread I found on this forum that warned against ebay ignition coils. There were some other threads that I found that recommend coils but they seem outdated (like 2011-2012). Where can I find the cheapest trusted ignition coils? People seem to be recommending bhr coils but I can't find where to buy them. Even on the bhr site I could only find "ignition systems"
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This is the BHR ignition: Black Halo Racing Ignition System | Black Halo Racing
No, it's not cheap at all, but it IS the best, and you don't have to keep replacing the coils.
My new owner's thread lists the basic options:
https://www.rx8club.com/new-member-f...4/#post4533701
Edit, those are US prices, i just realized you are in Canada, so your prices and local auto parts store options may vary.
No, it's not cheap at all, but it IS the best, and you don't have to keep replacing the coils.
My new owner's thread lists the basic options:
https://www.rx8club.com/new-member-f...4/#post4533701
Where can I buy new ignition coils?
You have a number of options for coils:
- The Cheapest option: BWD/Intermotor coils from auto parts stores like Advance Auto. 4 coils, 4 plugs, and 4 wires can be had for around $190-220 total based on whatever promotion is running at the time, shipped to your door for free. They are considered to be the first coil revision and you should expect to need to replace them around 20,000 miles, 30,000 miles max. They often come with a "lifetime warranty" by the auto parts store, which could potentially be leveraged for perpetually new coils.
- The Best Upgrade: The BHR ignition coil upgrade can be had for around $500, which eliminates the need to continue replacing coils periodically, as well as deliverying a significantly stronger spark for minor mileage and power gains. It is a proven kit with top notch customer service supporting it. It includes the wires, you still need to add plugs ($80)
- The For-Sure OEM: Mazmart sells all 4 coils of the latest OEM coil revision (C) for around $250, (just the coils, you still need to add plugs and wires) Supported by top notch customer service. They will likely last longer than 30,000 miles, but we don't have much solid data on how long the latest coil revision will last.
- The Most Expensive option: Buying from a dealer will run you around $300+ for the coils, $500+ for coils, wires and plugs, and if you have them do the install, expect to get a bill for anywhere from $700 to $1,800. You may not get the latest coil revision. Yes, you are getting shafted if you take this option, so bring lube.
- The Highest Risk option: Ebay coils continue to pop up as counterfeit, mislabeled, dead on arrival, and have zero post-purchase support largely. They are the "cheapest" listed price, but when you add that $92 or whatever to the price of anything in the list above from having to do it over again, you can see that they are no longer the cheapest option. Do it right the first time. "Motor King" coils are popping up at an attractive price on Ebay, but are being proven as ineffective, to the point of being unable to get the engine fired. "Mazda" branded coils on ebay are almost always counterfeit. Check the seller's name though, since some of our vendors sell legitimate coils there. The price will be $200+ though. Anything sold as "Mazda OEM" under ~$26 per coil should really be considered as suspect and probably counterfeit.
Be wary of "LSx D585 coil upgrades", as not all D585 coils are created the same, and the standard generic D585 coil is not properly designed internally for the RX-8's ignition needs. They generally "work", but there are anomalies and performance issues that have to be solved, if they can be solved. Definitely NOT a plug and play option, even if it is advertised as "plug and play"
You have a number of options for coils:
- The Cheapest option: BWD/Intermotor coils from auto parts stores like Advance Auto. 4 coils, 4 plugs, and 4 wires can be had for around $190-220 total based on whatever promotion is running at the time, shipped to your door for free. They are considered to be the first coil revision and you should expect to need to replace them around 20,000 miles, 30,000 miles max. They often come with a "lifetime warranty" by the auto parts store, which could potentially be leveraged for perpetually new coils.
- The Best Upgrade: The BHR ignition coil upgrade can be had for around $500, which eliminates the need to continue replacing coils periodically, as well as deliverying a significantly stronger spark for minor mileage and power gains. It is a proven kit with top notch customer service supporting it. It includes the wires, you still need to add plugs ($80)
- The For-Sure OEM: Mazmart sells all 4 coils of the latest OEM coil revision (C) for around $250, (just the coils, you still need to add plugs and wires) Supported by top notch customer service. They will likely last longer than 30,000 miles, but we don't have much solid data on how long the latest coil revision will last.
- The Most Expensive option: Buying from a dealer will run you around $300+ for the coils, $500+ for coils, wires and plugs, and if you have them do the install, expect to get a bill for anywhere from $700 to $1,800. You may not get the latest coil revision. Yes, you are getting shafted if you take this option, so bring lube.
- The Highest Risk option: Ebay coils continue to pop up as counterfeit, mislabeled, dead on arrival, and have zero post-purchase support largely. They are the "cheapest" listed price, but when you add that $92 or whatever to the price of anything in the list above from having to do it over again, you can see that they are no longer the cheapest option. Do it right the first time. "Motor King" coils are popping up at an attractive price on Ebay, but are being proven as ineffective, to the point of being unable to get the engine fired. "Mazda" branded coils on ebay are almost always counterfeit. Check the seller's name though, since some of our vendors sell legitimate coils there. The price will be $200+ though. Anything sold as "Mazda OEM" under ~$26 per coil should really be considered as suspect and probably counterfeit.
Be wary of "LSx D585 coil upgrades", as not all D585 coils are created the same, and the standard generic D585 coil is not properly designed internally for the RX-8's ignition needs. They generally "work", but there are anomalies and performance issues that have to be solved, if they can be solved. Definitely NOT a plug and play option, even if it is advertised as "plug and play"
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02-25-2014, 04:11 PM
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hey ya that is the ignition system I found! I'll look for the bwd set but I was mostly looking for just coils. Maybe spark plugs at the same time. I think wires are wires though so I don't see why I would buy new ones.
I meant to put these in the first post. They're the deals I found. Do they look trustworthy?
New Ignition Coil Lots of 4 Mazda RX 8 2009 2008 2007 2006 2005 2004 Pack | eBay
New Ignition Coil Pack Mazda RX 8 2008 2009 2007 2006 2005 2004 | eBay
I meant to put these in the first post. They're the deals I found. Do they look trustworthy?
New Ignition Coil Lots of 4 Mazda RX 8 2009 2008 2007 2006 2005 2004 Pack | eBay
New Ignition Coil Pack Mazda RX 8 2008 2009 2007 2006 2005 2004 | eBay
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Don't discount wires, they CAN and DO degrade over time. The flex of the wire vibrating around starts to create fractures in the internal wire stranding, and the wire connector ends start to develop corrosion.
I wouldn't trust either of those. The 2nd one appears to have the indicators of the counterfeit coils (as noted in the counterfeit thread), and the 1st one doesn't have enough pictures to make the determination, but at that price, it's likely.
Stick with one of the first 3 options in my list, it really isn't worth overpaying at the dealer OR buying crap from ebay that you then have to replace immediately anyway. $70 may seem like an attractive price, but add that $70 to a set of coils from Mazmart that you decide to get after you find that they melted, caught fire, or failed to start your car (all three have happened) and it would have been cheaper to just buy from Mazmart in the first place. (for example)
I wouldn't trust either of those. The 2nd one appears to have the indicators of the counterfeit coils (as noted in the counterfeit thread), and the 1st one doesn't have enough pictures to make the determination, but at that price, it's likely.
Stick with one of the first 3 options in my list, it really isn't worth overpaying at the dealer OR buying crap from ebay that you then have to replace immediately anyway. $70 may seem like an attractive price, but add that $70 to a set of coils from Mazmart that you decide to get after you find that they melted, caught fire, or failed to start your car (all three have happened) and it would have been cheaper to just buy from Mazmart in the first place. (for example)
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02-25-2014, 04:42 PM
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Mazmart has great deal on coils, wires and plugs 334.00 last time I ordered for my wifes 8 and they have outstanding customer service. I myself saved just alittle bit longer and went with the BHR set for mine but it was part of my retirement gift to myself.
02-25-2014, 04:57 PM
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Thanks everybody! I'm going to order bwd/intermotor coils and ngk spark plugs and wires off of advanced auto parts. With the promo codes it comes to less than $200 before tax!
02-25-2014, 04:58 PM
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Ignition Coil OEM N3H1 18 100C For Mazda RX-8 - Coils Quotation for 200 pcs. from China (Mainland) on Alibaba.com
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Yup, I'd bet that's where the ebay coil vendors are getting them from. Says a lot about the quality when someone is making a profit on $9 per coil, when you know other businesses are getting legitimate ones for 3 times that.
02-27-2014, 01:12 AM
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These: BWD/Intermotor Ignition Coil E1001: Upgrade with the best Ignition Coil at Advance Auto Parts
They are the same as OEM, made in the same factory and come in the same packaging. With the current price of $35 per coil, combined with their coupon codes (see link below), you can get all four coils for about $90 shipped.
Other auto parts stores have them for the same if not cheaper. And some offer warranties (I forget who offers lifetime but someone does, I know most offer 1 year).
So they might not last as long as BHR, but you can replace them free if they fail. And they are a lot cheaper.
http://www.retailmenot.com/view/advanceautoparts.com
They are the same as OEM, made in the same factory and come in the same packaging. With the current price of $35 per coil, combined with their coupon codes (see link below), you can get all four coils for about $90 shipped.
Other auto parts stores have them for the same if not cheaper. And some offer warranties (I forget who offers lifetime but someone does, I know most offer 1 year).
So they might not last as long as BHR, but you can replace them free if they fail. And they are a lot cheaper.
http://www.retailmenot.com/view/advanceautoparts.com
02-27-2014, 08:47 AM
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These: BWD/Intermotor Ignition Coil E1001: Upgrade with the best Ignition Coil at Advance Auto Parts
They are the same as OEM, made in the same factory and come in the same packaging. With the current price of $35 per coil, combined with their coupon codes (see link below), you can get all four coils for about $90 shipped.
Other auto parts stores have them for the same if not cheaper. And some offer warranties (I forget who offers lifetime but someone does, I know most offer 1 year).
So they might not last as long as BHR, but you can replace them free if they fail. And they are a lot cheaper.
http://www.retailmenot.com/view/advanceautoparts.com
They are the same as OEM, made in the same factory and come in the same packaging. With the current price of $35 per coil, combined with their coupon codes (see link below), you can get all four coils for about $90 shipped.
Other auto parts stores have them for the same if not cheaper. And some offer warranties (I forget who offers lifetime but someone does, I know most offer 1 year).
So they might not last as long as BHR, but you can replace them free if they fail. And they are a lot cheaper.
http://www.retailmenot.com/view/advanceautoparts.com
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These: BWD/Intermotor Ignition Coil E1001: Upgrade with the best Ignition Coil at Advance Auto Parts
They are the same as OEM, made in the same factory and come in the same packaging. With the current price of $35 per coil, combined with their coupon codes (see link below), you can get all four coils for about $90 shipped.
They are the same as OEM, made in the same factory and come in the same packaging. With the current price of $35 per coil, combined with their coupon codes (see link below), you can get all four coils for about $90 shipped.
The BWD's are copies of OEM Mazda coils and do not share the typical details of the OEM Mazda's and the BWD's have some disadvantages and defects.
see:...............https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-tec...s-ebay-247265/
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Rudolph, you are applying the contents of that thread to the wrong coil brand.
That thread is refering to coils on ebay that are sold under the "mazda" or "oem" or "motor king" labeling and ARE counterfeit. I have not need BWD coils on ebay that are counterfeit.
The BWD / Intermotor coils that are being referred to here are completely valid and available from autoparts stores WITH a warranty. They are not counterfeit, and are believed to be the original OEM coil from Mazda before Mazda revised the coil to later variants. When Mazda discontinued this variant, BWD just started selling to auto parts stores instead of the Mazda supply chain. Plenty of owners here are using them without issue. They have a shorter lifespan than later coil revisions, but as long as you accept this, there is no problem using them.
That thread is refering to coils on ebay that are sold under the "mazda" or "oem" or "motor king" labeling and ARE counterfeit. I have not need BWD coils on ebay that are counterfeit.
The BWD / Intermotor coils that are being referred to here are completely valid and available from autoparts stores WITH a warranty. They are not counterfeit, and are believed to be the original OEM coil from Mazda before Mazda revised the coil to later variants. When Mazda discontinued this variant, BWD just started selling to auto parts stores instead of the Mazda supply chain. Plenty of owners here are using them without issue. They have a shorter lifespan than later coil revisions, but as long as you accept this, there is no problem using them.
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Rudolph, you are applying the contents of that thread to the wrong coil brand.
That thread is refering to coils on ebay that are sold under the "mazda" or "oem" or "motor king" labeling and ARE counterfeit. I have not need BWD coils on ebay that are counterfeit.
The BWD / Intermotor coils that are being referred to here are completely valid and available from autoparts stores WITH a warranty. They are not counterfeit, and are believed to be the original OEM coil from Mazda before Mazda revised the coil to later variants. When Mazda discontinued this variant, BWD just started selling to auto parts stores instead of the Mazda supply chain. Plenty of owners here are using them without issue. They have a shorter lifespan than later coil revisions, but as long as you accept this, there is no problem using them.
That thread is refering to coils on ebay that are sold under the "mazda" or "oem" or "motor king" labeling and ARE counterfeit. I have not need BWD coils on ebay that are counterfeit.
The BWD / Intermotor coils that are being referred to here are completely valid and available from autoparts stores WITH a warranty. They are not counterfeit, and are believed to be the original OEM coil from Mazda before Mazda revised the coil to later variants. When Mazda discontinued this variant, BWD just started selling to auto parts stores instead of the Mazda supply chain. Plenty of owners here are using them without issue. They have a shorter lifespan than later coil revisions, but as long as you accept this, there is no problem using them.
In the first picture they show the kind of ridge that does not "snap" with the Mazda connector safely.
In the second picture the numbers close to the connecting pins are missing whereas the OEM -Mazda coils have these.
........"and are believed to be the original OEM coil from Mazda before Mazda revised the coil to later variants"...............
believed is not a fact; a fact is that they miss the "dot" and have the unsecure/ malfunctioning ridge........
...."warranty"......Yes, for the coil itself, not for liability damages......due to a not proper connector connection.....
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History and track record of the BWD coils is sufficient to believe that there is no cause for alarm for whatever pictures were used on the web for the coils.
Ebay counterfeit coils on the other hand, have a really poor track record. They aren't the same coils, dot or not.
If a BWD coil is faulty, the worst it could do would be to set your car on fire, which the auto parts store warranty WOULD actually be liable for if brought to court. Otherwise, the problems manifested by counterfeit coils are no-start, misfires, etc..., and they are immediately obvious. Replace the counterfeit with non-counterfeit, and the problems are solved. There isn't any additional coverage needed.
I don't see a cause for panic.
Ebay counterfeit coils on the other hand, have a really poor track record. They aren't the same coils, dot or not.
If a BWD coil is faulty, the worst it could do would be to set your car on fire, which the auto parts store warranty WOULD actually be liable for if brought to court. Otherwise, the problems manifested by counterfeit coils are no-start, misfires, etc..., and they are immediately obvious. Replace the counterfeit with non-counterfeit, and the problems are solved. There isn't any additional coverage needed.
I don't see a cause for panic.
02-28-2014, 02:49 AM
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The BWD's as showed on the Advanced Motorparts website miss the "dot" (as from the picture of my posting nr. 15) on their the first picture and (very strange) do show the dot on their third picture. The only conclusion is that they are mixing different pictures for one item; a unusual process for a trusted supplier imo.
In the first picture they show the kind of ridge that does not "snap" with the Mazda connector safely.
In the second picture the numbers close to the connecting pins are missing whereas the OEM -Mazda coils have these.
........"and are believed to be the original OEM coil from Mazda before Mazda revised the coil to later variants"...............
believed is not a fact; a fact is that they miss the "dot" and have the unsecure/ malfunctioning ridge........
...."warranty"......Yes, for the coil itself, not for liability damages......due to a not proper connector connection.....
In the first picture they show the kind of ridge that does not "snap" with the Mazda connector safely.
In the second picture the numbers close to the connecting pins are missing whereas the OEM -Mazda coils have these.
........"and are believed to be the original OEM coil from Mazda before Mazda revised the coil to later variants"...............
believed is not a fact; a fact is that they miss the "dot" and have the unsecure/ malfunctioning ridge........
...."warranty"......Yes, for the coil itself, not for liability damages......due to a not proper connector connection.....
Quite a few people have written reviews on the Advance Auto Parts website, and 12 out of 13 are positive. It does not surprise me that one person had bad luck (negative review), as that's occasionally been the case even with factory coils on new RX-8's.
As for the ridge, it looks pretty close to me. Factory could have changed their tooling, who knows. Has anyone here ever had a coil 'fall out' on them? I can't imagine that happening.
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So fascinating that this topic is still valid today. Thank you all for the great info.
Ordered coil packs from Mazmart today an will update this thread when the come with pictures.
RX8 OEM Coils Version C
N3H1-18-100C is the last and latest version of ignition coil for ALL years of RX-8. It became available on the 2012 RX-8 Spirit R. We sell these as a set of 4.
SKU: 16967
Manufacturer part number: N3H1-18-100C
Old price: $320.00
Price: $250.00
Ordered coil packs from Mazmart today an will update this thread when the come with pictures.
RX8 OEM Coils Version C
N3H1-18-100C is the last and latest version of ignition coil for ALL years of RX-8. It became available on the 2012 RX-8 Spirit R. We sell these as a set of 4.
SKU: 16967
Manufacturer part number: N3H1-18-100C
Old price: $320.00
Price: $250.00
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Yes. There have been coil defects on every single coil type out there. OEM of each revision, BWD, counterfeit OEM, and BHR.
BHR has under a 1% failure rate, but there still have been failures there. It's simply a matter of mass production. Even a 1% failure rate means someone will get some faulty coils, regardless of who is making them.
The counterfeit ones seem to be more like 20-25%, so odds are good that you have at least one faulty one in a set of 4.
If you know who you are buying from, and they support the purchase, then defect chance isn't really a problem. Ebay is a problem because defect rate is high, and post-purchase support is generally non-existant. You are just out the money.
BHR has under a 1% failure rate, but there still have been failures there. It's simply a matter of mass production. Even a 1% failure rate means someone will get some faulty coils, regardless of who is making them.
The counterfeit ones seem to be more like 20-25%, so odds are good that you have at least one faulty one in a set of 4.
If you know who you are buying from, and they support the purchase, then defect chance isn't really a problem. Ebay is a problem because defect rate is high, and post-purchase support is generally non-existant. You are just out the money.
02-28-2014, 08:39 PM
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The BWD's as showed on the Advanced Motorparts website miss the "dot" (as from the picture of my posting nr. 15) on their the first picture and (very strange) do show the dot on their third picture. The only conclusion is that they are mixing different pictures for one item; a unusual process for a trusted supplier imo.
In the first picture they show the kind of ridge that does not "snap" with the Mazda connector safely.
In the second picture the numbers close to the connecting pins are missing whereas the OEM -Mazda coils have these.
........"and are believed to be the original OEM coil from Mazda before Mazda revised the coil to later variants"...............
believed is not a fact; a fact is that they miss the "dot" and have the unsecure/ malfunctioning ridge........
...."warranty"......Yes, for the coil itself, not for liability damages......due to a not proper connector connection.....
In the first picture they show the kind of ridge that does not "snap" with the Mazda connector safely.
In the second picture the numbers close to the connecting pins are missing whereas the OEM -Mazda coils have these.
........"and are believed to be the original OEM coil from Mazda before Mazda revised the coil to later variants"...............
believed is not a fact; a fact is that they miss the "dot" and have the unsecure/ malfunctioning ridge........
...."warranty"......Yes, for the coil itself, not for liability damages......due to a not proper connector connection.....
BWD now sells the coil that's made by company that sells ignition coils to Mercedes and BMW, I forgot the exact name of the company, but that's what it is, and the coils are now made in Poland. they said they improved the coil design. and there is no problem with it whatsoever.
original OEM coils are made by Hitachi Japan , btw
03-01-2014, 12:54 AM
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Yes. There have been coil defects on every single coil type out there. OEM of each revision, BWD, counterfeit OEM, and BHR.
BHR has under a 1% failure rate, but there still have been failures there. It's simply a matter of mass production. Even a 1% failure rate means someone will get some faulty coils, regardless of who is making them.
The counterfeit ones seem to be more like 20-25%, so odds are good that you have at least one faulty one in a set of 4.
If you know who you are buying from, and they support the purchase, then defect chance isn't really a problem. Ebay is a problem because defect rate is high, and post-purchase support is generally non-existant. You are just out the money.
BHR has under a 1% failure rate, but there still have been failures there. It's simply a matter of mass production. Even a 1% failure rate means someone will get some faulty coils, regardless of who is making them.
The counterfeit ones seem to be more like 20-25%, so odds are good that you have at least one faulty one in a set of 4.
If you know who you are buying from, and they support the purchase, then defect chance isn't really a problem. Ebay is a problem because defect rate is high, and post-purchase support is generally non-existant. You are just out the money.
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Hmm, if a coil literally falls off the mounting bracket, then the installer didn't anchor it with the available 10mm nut, locking tab or not. I never had a single problem with any coil type I used in that regard. The tab that holds the coils in one orientation is on the bracket anyway, not the coil.
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rotarywanker means the connector male/female which is not secured due to the fact that the notch possibly does not snap in case of a non OEM-Mazda coil.........
This is a correct quote of postnr. 17
rotarywanker means the connector male/female which is not secured due to the fact that the notch possibly does not snap in case of a non OEM-Mazda coil.........
This is a correct quote of postnr. 17
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