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I noticed that a lot of the options are bundled. i.e if you want the $635 bose package, you have to get a bunch of other packages totaling $5K. the $220 comfort package for heated seats and mirrors requires $3400 in other options to be purchased. You can't get a moonroof w/o a bunch of other stuff, even though it is listed seperately. There are a few stand-alone options that can be selected. But not much I'm interested in.
I have expressed this concern before, and it certainly seems as though Mazda will do this on the RX-8, just like all their other models. We'll be forced to buy things we don't want. Why would they do anything different?
While the base prices for the 6 do seem attractive, by the time you select a few options, you're at $25 k in a hurry. Still not a bad deal, but I was hoping it would be a better value.
to see some replies. It seems people are more or less FURIOUS. To get even ABS on the 4cyl, you must get EVERY other package. It is actually cheaper to get the V6 (by over $1000) with standard ABS than the 4 cyl abs model.
hey i just learned this from reading some of the stuff on the other sites, but DSC is not available on the 6 in the states? i thought that was part of the whole car package. they flaunted it in some of the various websites in little videos and such. and no hatch at launch WTF! the "packaging" is screwed up no doubt. they shouldnt' show different packages and then not let you mix and match, making you get 3 or 4 other packages just to get heated side mirrors. that sucks!
I can't believe Mazda screwed this up again! I hate the option packages on the Miata for the same reason. In order to get ABS, you need to either spend thousands on tons of options on the base model or thousands on the LS version. Both add weight and tons of stuff I didn't want. I almost got a Mr. Two instead because of the stupid option packages.
Mazda's shooting themselves in the foot. If this is being complained about like this on the Miata, RX-8 and Mazda 6 boards, imagine what non Mazdaphiles will think?
I had been optimistic that Mazda would get it right on the RX-8, but now I have my doubts again.
Yep, the way those packages are set up is really stupid.
You have selected Comfort Package ($220).
This requires the addition of:
Premium Package and Sport Package and Power Moonroof and Leather Seat Upholstery
>> $+3440 to MSRP
Whaaaaat? I just wanted heated seats!
I hope its not like this on the RX-8.
Fear not fellow Canuks - the option packages for the Canadian Mazda6 are not set up quite so badly.
Nissan is really bad for its option packaging. For example, the sport package on the Sentra SE-R includes some nice sporty rear folding seats (not available any other way!) and requires the selection of the automatic transmission.
Who comes up with this stuff? Honestly!
"There are only three true sports: bull-fighting, mountain climbing, and motor racing; the rest are merely games."
- E. Hemingway
Send an e-mail to Mazda letting them know you don't want the RX-8's option packages like they are on the Miata and Mazda 6! I just sent my message to MUSA@mazdausa.com . Here's the letter I sent:
"Mazda just lost a customer:
Two years ago, I purchased a new 2000 Mazda 626. A few months ago, I purchased a new 2002 Miata. I will not be purchasing a Mazda 6, even though I was extremely excited about it a few months ago. What is the reason? The option packages are made up in such a screwy way that I can't get the car that I want. I experienced this with both of my other Mazda purchases, and almost didn't buy a Miata because I couldn't get ABS without a bunch of other options that I didn't want. I also wanted a base Miata with the sport suspension and the convenience package. Nope! Not possible! Argh! I ended up getting a base with the sport package, but I am still upset that I couldn't get remote door locks and ABS. It's the only thing I don't love about that car.
I'm not the only one, check out these threads and see what MAZDA FANS are saying! These are the core people who should be excited about the car! Instead, they're all complaining. Mazda makes great cars but customers can't get them optioned the way they want, and that reduces sales.
I do understand that the Canadian option packages are much better. But what I don't understand is that the CA and US cars are coming from the SAME FACTORY. If they can do that for Can, why can't they do that for the US?? For the most part, they are the same cars except for km/h vs. mph, C vs F on the dials, and you have to have DRL's.
Makes no sense.
Count me in on the Miata. I've often though about buying a Miata, but I want the 5 speed with sport. But no, I have to go LS with 6 speed in order to do that. But the 6 packages are multiple times worse IMHO.
It seems to me they have already changed some of the options bundling - at least on the V6 models. I checked again today, and low and behold - you don't have to select every package when optioning out the car. For example, on V6 models, when you select the comfort package with heated seats and mirrors ($220) you now only have to get leather and moonroof (totalling $1780). Getting the sport package ($860) now only requires the addition of the Bose audio pacakage (totalling $1500). Not great, but that's much better than before
The options bundling for side air bags is still hideously expensive though. If you select that option for $450, you have to get comfort, bose, and sport packages, as well as moonroof and leather. So it really costs $3725.
They haven't made changes yet for the 4 cyl model, but hopefully the message to Mazda is clear - let the consumer pick what they want from your list. Don't be deceptive about it by listing a $450 option separately but requiring the consumer to spend more than 8 times that amount on other stuff just to get it. We may see other changes coming in the next few days on their site. I hope so.
Also...the fact that ABS isn't standard for the 4 cyl is just stupid if it's std on the V6. That $400 option will actually cost you $5K on the 4 cyl due to the package bundling.
Originally posted by Jerome81 Count me in on the Miata. I've often though about buying a Miata, but I want the 5 speed with sport. But no, I have to go LS with 6 speed in order to do that.
You can get the 5 speed with the sport package, that's what I got. The problem for me is that you basically can't get anything else if you get that package. No remote door locks. No ABS.
Here was Mazda's reply to my message. It looks like they have a set of canned replies, and the "Specialist, Customer Assistance E-Business" picks the right one and adds the sender's name:
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no nav, no limslipdif,no DSC, no hatch. where the hell is all the stuf i've read about in the mags and on mazdas website for the last year! all of this stuff(including the cool folding seat mech for the hatch version) was announced at the launch at detroit and we don't get it?
Originally posted by Grimace Not anymore. Getting the sport package means getting the 6-speed. The 5 speed used to be available with the sport package, but not for 2003 (and I think 2002). What year is yours.
hmm...Interesting. I actually liked the 6 speed. If I could have added it to my base + sport package I would have been tempted. The 5th to 6th shift isn't great, but the extra jump off the line is nice. I didn't like the feel of the 6-speed as much as the 5, so there are trade-offs.
Mine's a 2002. I just got it about 3-4 months ago. I f***'n love that car. :D I've been driving it the last two days through the snow, and it's a blast.
zoom44, of course you can use it. The more personalized the better, of course.
I went to the site and built what I would want if I were choosing the V-6 equipped car. After the options that I wanted were put on, the cost rose to about $27,000.00. This seemed to be a little too much to pay for the 6 when the RX-8 is supposed to cost only a little more and offers much more performance, style and rotary rear drive platform.
Gimmie my MazdaSpeed RX-8 NOW!!
That could be true, but I'm curious how you spec'd out your car. Unless you added a lot of options from the bottom of the list, suck as homelink, all weather mats, etc., I think the V6 comes out about $25,XXX pretty much fully loaded. However, that is with the manual, I don't know how much the auto adds in price.
5 speed manual
side air bags/air curtain bags
Total Price was $25,325. That is pretty darn solid pricing if you ask me. Add the automatic and you're at $26,245, the auto being a $900 option.
That's a pretty darn good deal. If you ask me, I would almost venture to say that the V6 is a better deal than the I4, as you can tune it more to your tastes.