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Old 10-29-2004, 08:32 AM   #1
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Something needs to be done about gang violence!

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Old 10-29-2004, 08:49 AM   #3
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Take all the gang bangers and throw them in a stadium like a football stadium. Then, lock the place down and let then take themselves out. Go in afterwards and implode the place.
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Old 10-29-2004, 09:15 AM   #4
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I blame violent video games like GTA:San Andreas.

We could round them up and have them fight each other on an island like in Battle Royale. :D
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I blame violent video games like GTA:San Andreas.
I think they should be 17 to play it, just like the cover reads. Oh, that's right.... 15 yr olds still play it. Hmmmm, I wonder why.... OH YA, it's the parents that allow them.
Where are the parents when these inspired thugs decide to do this crap?!

They're just acting out from examples! Would young guys now think it's cool to walk around with their collar up and go to sock hops? No. They're going to do things that they see glorified as 'being cool'.
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Old 10-29-2004, 10:02 AM   #6
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walk around with their collar up and go to sock hops?
Hey now, I walk around with my collar up, I have no idea what a sock hop is though :p

I agree. As long as we keep glorifying this "thug" behavior and rewarding these dumbasses with millions of dollars to remake old rock songs by talking the lyrics instead of singing them and/or telling me how much money they have and showing me rented cars in the backgroud, kids will think it's cool.
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Old 10-29-2004, 10:24 AM   #7
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I agree. As long as we keep glorifying this "thug" behavior and rewarding these dumbasses with millions of dollars to remake old rock songs by talking the lyrics instead of singing them and/or telling me how much money they have and showing me rented cars in the backgroud, kids will think it's cool.
i agree with you to a degree..... sure... glorifying stuff like that cant be good and it may get more kids involved in it...BUT the ones that get involved as a result of glorification are the harmless ones just going through a stupid rebelious stage... they will out grow it.

However....I think its important to know what came first...
Remember, this glorified "thug" behaviour is a "child" of gangbanger/ghetto life that was a reality for many unfortunate people for generations before all this "g-unit" glorification. See, many of you guys here will probably never understand what goes through the heads of people that come up in that environment....all they want to do is get out and will do anything to achieve this. Unfortunately they get sucked in and never get out unless they are extremeley lucky.... They feel like the only way out is to use what they already have or know... there ended up being a market for what they have and they use it to get ahead.... the rationale is not much different than somebody else starting their own lawyer practice because they studied law for 20 years.

Not justifying... just clarifying

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Old 10-29-2004, 10:28 AM   #8
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I think they should be 17 to play it, just like the cover reads. Oh, that's right.... 15 yr olds still play it. Hmmmm, I wonder why.... OH YA, it's the parents that allow them.
Where are the parents when these inspired thugs decide to do this crap?!

They're just acting out from examples! Would young guys now think it's cool to walk around with their collar up and go to sock hops? No. They're going to do things that they see glorified as 'being cool'.
I'd go to Sock Hops, but I'm a wall flower.

It's strange when you look back at the things that are considered cool now. How did culture decline so much as to glorifying murdering, violence, vandalism and general stupidity as being cool? Bill Cosby had a bit on this. It was scarier than funny because it felt vaguely true.

Did anyone hear about the court case where two kids murdered a homeless man and are now using a "Grand Theft Auto made them do it" defense? It's sick. GTA is based on an existing mindframe and culture that glorified violence. It can't be blamed for the culture, it only builds off of it.
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Did anyone hear about the court case where two kids murdered a homeless man and are now using a "Grand Theft Auto made them do it" defense? It's sick. GTA is based on an existing mindframe and culture that glorified violence. It can't be blamed for the culture, it only builds off of it.
Oh, you just reminded me of this week's CSI-Miami. Did you see that one? These (4) kids gave this homeless guy a heart attack (internal bleeding) from shooting him with a red paint gun. They thought it was funny to shoot a homeless guy.
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Out of curiosity, were the "good ole days" a lot better than today in regards to gang activities? You can't really tell from old TV shows and news paper because I'm sure a lot of it is censored in one form or another.
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Oh, you just reminded me of this week's CSI-Miami. Did you see that one? These (4) kids gave this homeless guy a heart attack (internal bleeding) from shooting him with a red paint gun. They thought it was funny to shoot a homeless guy.
Kids these days.

Personally, I don't think there should be any special consideration helping minors when tried for crime. These days, kids can go kill someone, claim that they're a minor and get away with a lot less punishment than they should be getting. Then again, I am somewhat extremist and think that the country would be better if everyone were fitted with shock collars. :p
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I tend to belive video games don't cause gang violence. Gang violence happens because there is no attention at home. Kids who are in gangs are usually the youngest child. These kids don't have anyone at home to be with so they find friends who are in gangs to get that family life. Kids don't just see a video game and say ''I am going to go kill someone now''. The gang members I have come across are very smart. Once you sit down with them and see what kind of life they have had, they are just like you and me. They get this idea that the higher gang members are their father figure and they do what they are told. In my mind I don't blame video games on gang violence. Gangs have formed way before video games. Now it's just what some have been accustomed to.
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Old 10-29-2004, 01:07 PM   #13
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I think the concept of "gang violence" itself serves to glorify and legitimize the criminal activity. Assaults, murders and robberies are already illegal. That someone is part of a "gang" doesn't make them any more or less a criminal than anyone else who engages in these acts. I would reword the statement as "Something needs to be done about violence".
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I would reword the statement as "Something needs to be done about violence".
I think it should be reworded to "Something needs to be done about the social structure".

Violence is learned and in the cases of many of these gangbangers... they see it as violence for survival, any other way almost seems impossible to them... go live in a ghetto for a couple months and you'll see.

Like Police34 said... alot of them are smart guys who could have amounted to much more if they weren't born into a certain environment
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I think it should be reworded to "Something needs to be done about the social structure".

Violence is learned and in the cases of many of these gangbangers... they see it as violence for survival, any other way almost seems impossible to them... go live in a ghetto for a couple months and you'll see.

Like Police34 said... alot of them are smart guys who could have amounted to much more if they weren't born into a certain environment
Perfectly said. :D
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I think it should be reworded to "Something needs to be done about the social structure".

Violence is learned and in the cases of many of these gangbangers... they see it as violence for survival, any other way almost seems impossible to them... go live in a ghetto for a couple months and you'll see.

Like Police34 said... alot of them are smart guys who could have amounted to much more if they weren't born into a certain environment
I agree, with the observation that much of this is due to well-meaning attempts in the past to "do something" about the social structure.
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Old 10-29-2004, 02:54 PM   #17
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Drugs = Violence

I dont care what you ****** hippies say against this, but go to your local prison and try counting people who have never taken illegal drugs. If you get a penny for a convict who has been clean, you'd be a poor bastard when you're done with your counting.

It has affected us in many ways than we think. Friends, family, and even people we see on the news are affected. The next jackass who thinks doing drugs is cool will get a visit from Mr. Scary Longblade.
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Drugs = Violence

I dont care what you ****** hippies say against this, but go to your local prison and try counting people who have never taken illegal drugs. If you get a penny for a convict who has been clean, you'd be a poor bastard when you're done with your counting.

It has affected us in many ways than we think. Friends, family, and even people we see on the news are affected. The next jackass who thinks doing drugs is cool will get a visit from Mr. Scary Longblade.
Thats a very shallow sum up of that kind of situation.... LOL....thats like saying "leaves grow because of branches"
You must do public service announcements for FoxKids.

Drugs, just like Violence is the result of a much deeper problem.

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Drugs = Violence

I dont care what you ****** hippies say against this, but go to your local prison and try counting people who have never taken illegal drugs. If you get a penny for a convict who has been clean, you'd be a poor bastard when you're done with your counting.

It has affected us in many ways than we think. Friends, family, and even people we see on the news are affected. The next jackass who thinks doing drugs is cool will get a visit from Mr. Scary Longblade.
Exactly, that's why we should simply legalize drugs and just simply tax it to hell and back. Remember prohibition in History class? When you make something illegal, there will still be a demand for it, thus creating violence and crime. Once we legalize drugs, it gets rid of a lot of criminal activities associates with it, and we can fund a lot of new programs from the taxes collected. Additionally, like cigerette, those who will use, will use regardless of the legality of it and those who won't simply won't, no way to stop that anyways.

So in otherwords, legalizing drugs would be a win-win situation. Less crimes, less criminal, less money spent on jail and court, more money collected on taxes, everybody wins!
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Thats a very shallow sum up of that kind of situation.... thats like saying "leaves grow because of branches"

Drugs, just like Violence is the result of a much deeper problem.
True, violence will always be there but with legalization of drugs, there will be additional funds to solve this problem.

Look at Afgahnistan, heroin trade is the biggest contributers of it's economy's revitalization.
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True, violence will always be there but with legalization of drugs, there will be additional funds to solve this problem. .
They should legalize prostitution too.....and cut out the implicating charges associated with it

Legalize it... zone it, and tax it
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They should legalize prostitution too.....and cut out the implicating charges associated with it

Legalize it... zone it, and tax it
Exactly!! It's legal in a lot of countries, federally sanctioned prostitution. Just requires disease testing and other stuff. And all this is taxable! More money! :D

Hell, they can even create an entire city based on prostitution! Like Las Vegas but instead of going there to gamble and find a hooker on the side, you go there to find a hooker and gamble on the side.
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Exactly!! It's legal in a lot of countries, federally sanctioned prostitution. Just requires disease testing and other stuff. And all this is taxable! More money! :D

Hell, they can even create an entire city based on prostitution! Like Las Vegas but instead of going there to gamble and find a hooker on the side, you go there to find a hooker and gamble on the side.
Unfortunately... this "chritian influenced western society" will never tolerate that..... They fail to see how it can only help.

Why not Legalize and Tax it????? Prostitution will never be stopped so you may as well control it to make it safer and make $$ off it.
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Exactly!! It's legal in a lot of countries, federally sanctioned prostitution. Just requires disease testing and other stuff. And all this is taxable! More money! :D

Hell, they can even create an entire city based on prostitution! Like Las Vegas but instead of going there to gamble and find a hooker on the side, you go there to find a hooker and gamble on the side.
Legalize prostitution? Works for me. That way I don't have to put them skankbags in the back of my nice clean back seat at work :D
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