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Yah but the whole point of a disscussion to say it was a fake is to find holes and wonrg doings in their evidence. You just cant say it was fake because you want it to be fake.
Yah but the whole point of a disscussion to say it was a fake is to find holes and wonrg doings in their evidence. You just cant say it was fake because you want it to be fake.
i never said it was a fake..i said "MANY PEOPLE SAID IT WAS A FAKE"
The plane flying at 530 MPH flew into the Pentagon, and disentigrated, you try driving an RX8 into a brick wall at 600 mpg, and see how much is left.
No missile on the planet could make a dent like that in the building. Even a bomb, would have a hard time penatrating the outside ring.
The size of an rx8 is small. You cant compare it to a place. There has to be remains. And why is the government so scared of the videos that they had to confistcate them? It just doesnt make sense im not saying it didnt happen but it just makes you think.
I saw the guy that is heading up this conspiracy theory on the tele one night and all I can say is "CRAZY!!" He is as loonie as they come. If there is evidence of anything contrary to what we now understand he ain't the right person to be bringing it forward. Perception is truth for people many times and he would be laughed out of the country.
I saw the video of JFK being shot about 100 times and I believe the grassy noll theory. If he was shot from behind why did his head snap backwards instead of forwards? I also saw a show recreating the shooting and testing the magic bullet theory. They made a pretty good argument that it was possible for one bullet to have made seven wounds. I don't think the plane thing will be this big but you never know!
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I saw the guy that is heading up this conspiracy theory on the tele one night and all I can say is "CRAZY!!" He is as loonie as they come. If there is evidence of anything contrary to what we now understand he ain't the right person to be bringing it forward. Perception is truth for people many times and he would be laughed out of the country.
The problem here is that just because someone thinks different and his views contradict yours you must think he is a loon. I am not personally attacking you I am just saying CNN and most of the major american channels are puppets of bush so something like that he would want under the wraps.
Okay, I'm here again to let it be known I was there on 9/11. It was real!
So you physically saw a boeing slam in to the side of a pentagon. So many people are tourists at the pentagon your telling me no one had a camera that would have caught a HUGE plane slamming into a building. In newyork there were at least a dozen of different views of the planes smashing into the buildings.
Yeah, this is BS. I know for a fact it was a plane. My friend Jason works in crystal city and he saw it fly by his office. His wife was actually in the Pentagon at the time. Luckily they struck the side that was under construction, so there weren't many people in those offices.
As far as what happened to the plane, it's a little thing called jet fuel. It burns really hot.
If you had seen him you would understand what I am saying. Some people just give off that "I'm not all there upstairs." vibe and he's got it. I personally don't care if it was a plane or a missile, because either way our men and women died.
Yeah, this is BS. I know for a fact it was a plane. My friend Jason works in crystal city and he saw it fly by his office. His wife was actually in the Pentagon at the time. Luckily they struck the side that was under construction, so there weren't many people in those offices.
As far as what happened to the plane, it's a little thing called jet fuel. It burns really hot.
Hmm here is some pictures of planes getting smashed.
if they say it was a plane, and they are sure it was a plane, why havent the security tapes been released? i saw the tapes to 9/11 moments after it happened, and those are all over. Those were planes too, shouldnt the FBI be classifying those also?
So you physically saw a boeing slam in to the side of a pentagon. So many people are tourists at the pentagon your telling me no one had a camera that would have caught a HUGE plane slamming into a building. In newyork there were at least a dozen of different views of the planes smashing into the buildings.
No but here is exactly what I do have! Upon evacuation of the building as I stood in south parking there was a woman holding her child crying! She said to me and a few others that while she was waiting to pick up her husband (a captain who worked somewhere in the building) she saw a plane fly into the side of the building. Now I doubted her at the time and thought maybe she was mistaken and perhaps one of the helicopters had some difficulty and hit the side of the building (if you don't know that was the side of the building where the helipad was at the time). I asked her "you mean a helicopter?" and she replied "no, a plane". Here's another little tidbit, I was talking to one of the DPS officers a few weeks ago (because this topic was brought up before in here). I was telling him some of the BS that is said about what happened and he said he was one of those who had to go through some of the areas that the plane had puched through. He said there were in fact parts of the aircraft present in the building. As far as video footage goes from tourist! Why would there be any from that side of the building. Most people who travel the road with the best view of that side of the building drive it everyday on their commute to and from work so there would be no need for a video camera. Most people in the area have seen it frequently! Tourist more than likely pop up out of the metro which while it's kinda in south parking is on the other side. There is really no tourist parking and a tourist more than likely would have been turned around going to that side of the building. We are talking about the command center for the U.S. Armed Forces (a little tighter on security on some portions) vs an office building was open to public access. That is the difference with video footage and access to certain vantage points.
its also the largest office building in the world, its conceivable that someone in the other side of the pentagon might think no way was that an airliner, i didnt even get knocked down or something, but be wrong because he was so far away...a lot of people work there a lot of people may have had different reactions. doubt is the first thing in crises.
These are the exact same loonies who view the planes smashing into the twin towers, and say -
"Wait!....back the tape up.....right there! Behind the other tower.....See it? That's a UFO!"
Absolutely bonkers. I have never seen such a level of DENIAL!
That video is SUCH a bunch of crap. There is at least one security video that has the plane flying into the Pentagon. I have a friend who was IN the Pentagon when it happened. And there was a MASSIVE hole in the darn thing. Anyone who lives in or near Washington saw it (including myself). This conspiracy bit is completely disrespectlful to anyone who was in the building, died on the plane, or had a relative that died on the plane.
As for the tourist bit- do you ACTUALLY think they let people wander around the Pentagon grounds taking videos?? You can get tours by reservation only- and they don't let you just walk around anywhere. And anyway, it's not exactly the height of Tourism in washington- you're gonna find the video cameras on the Mall and at the Zoo- not wandering around over that direction.
Just a quivk question? Something did hit a building that is foor sure. Was it an airliner? I don't know. Official speed of that plane according to CNN and various other news sources was that it was travelling at 540 knots (about 900 ft per second). The airplane is about 170ft long. If you go to the CNN website that has a video from one of the security camera at the pentagon caught the explosion and nothing else. the camera, if I am not wrong records at 5 frames a second. That means it captures some thing at 200ms. There was not even a shadow of the aircraft for the few seconds before the impact. That tells me the plane had to be in the supersonic speed regime prior to impact. Not possible for the 757 as it would desintegrate as it enters the tran-sonic zone. Remember, the airplane was in a very shallow dive. Think about it. Something did hit the pentagon. But was it a 757?
From what I know, no one has ever "seen" these bodies onboard flight 77...interesting. There have been bodies but nothing connecting them to the accident scene. Does anyone on here know of someone/are related to the victims? CNN has a page describing most of the passengers on that flight, but do they even exist? I am on the fence with this subject. I am not saying it is real or just rumors.
From what I know, no one has ever "seen" these bodies onboard flight 77...interesting. There have been bodies but nothing connecting them to the accident scene. Does anyone on here know of someone/are related to the victims? CNN has a page describing most of the passengers on that flight, but do they even exist? I am on the fence with this subject. I am not saying it is real or just rumors.
Gee, I dunno. But I'm sure you can look some of these guys up that were in the armed forces. Try calling their relatives up and ask THEM whether or not they exist. And if CNN has them listed, they know how to find their families. Give em a call and tell them exactly what you just wrote.
You know, we didn't really land on the moon either. And that war in Iraq thing? It's all made up by the media. That's all doctored footage you're seeing. Oh yeah, the Holocaust was fake too.
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