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Old 10-15-2008, 02:06 AM   #1
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Japanese Internet vs. North American Internet

Japanese Internet vs. North American Internet

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It's definitely true. However, that is mostly a domestic speed value. It won't be nearly as fast loading from an overseas server.

Both the US and Japan have metropolitan areas that are densely populated, but you also have to consider total population density. You see.. Islands like Japan, Taiwan, Singapore, HK, etc. Have very fast internet links, this is possible because running extremely fast fiber lines within the country is very cheap. Thus, it is possible for an entire island to run at a much higher average speed.

Now think about the US. The problem is not that we are so densely populated, quite the contrary. The actual problem is that we are so spread out and evenly distributed. Running fiber lines to every populated area in the continental US would be astronomically higher than running the same speed cables in a small Asian island. This works very well for Asian countries because most of their traffic is local.
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Does anyone know if the Japanese telcos are government owned? That would explain the speed & price difference.
The telcos and cable companies are in the process of running fiber to the neighborhood. Just not to the home. When that process is completed, our speeds will improve.
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WTF!? Is it only in japan you get free internet?
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Does anyone know if the Japanese telcos are government owned? That would explain the speed & price difference.
The telcos and cable companies are in the process of running fiber to the neighborhood. Just not to the home. When that process is completed, our speeds will improve.
nope, Its all private companies.

Its not that surprising. Consider they work much harder and faster than us. Plus they're always up to date in terms of technology.

just look at cell phones, iPhone looks like a pos toy to them, but its like a jewel or something to USA. the phones here is like a god damn joke.

Same thing for internet access. for example in Hong Kong is not hard to see 100mb line straight to home. it has something to do with the city's density (closer to the central office). but still. here is just too slow.
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It's definitely true. However, that is mostly a domestic speed value. It won't be nearly as fast loading from an overseas server.

Both the US and Japan have metropolitan areas that are densely populated, but you also have to consider total population density. You see.. Islands like Japan, Taiwan, Singapore, HK, etc. Have very fast internet links, this is possible because running extremely fast fiber lines within the country is very cheap. Thus, it is possible for an entire island to run at a much higher average speed.

Now think about the US. The problem is not that we are so densely populated, quite the contrary. The actual problem is that we are so spread out and evenly distributed. Running fiber lines to every populated area in the continental US would be astronomically higher than running the same speed cables in a small Asian island. This works very well for Asian countries because most of their traffic is local.
thats because most oversea lines are nowhere near the speed of the domestic one.
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Every time i go home to okinawa to visit family, i always feel like i am jumping into the future. bathroom stals have interactive screens where you can surf and crap at the same time. but i dnt know if that is such a great idea. i mean your in a stall, you never know what dirty hands touched the touchscreen.
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Every time i go home to okinawa to visit family, i always feel like i am jumping into the future. bathroom stals have interactive screens where you can surf and crap at the same time. but i dnt know if that is such a great idea. i mean your in a stall, you never know what dirty hands touched the touchscreen.
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lmao. those toilets scare me lol. this is pretty sick, when i was 4 or 5 i fell into one . i still have nightmares of that.
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Does anyone know if the Japanese telcos are government owned? That would explain the speed & price difference.
The telcos and cable companies are in the process of running fiber to the neighborhood. Just not to the home. When that process is completed, our speeds will improve.
See this is just not true. China's telecom companies all have large government stakes. They are neither fast nor cheap. Same goes for some countries in the middle east.

As far as fiber to the premises.. that's already done in my neighborhood. I do not see a major speed improvement.
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Old 10-15-2008, 01:22 PM   #12
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no body beats NY, Chicago, and that area in pennsyvania in terms of bandwith... the issue is at the home ... incompatible tech is the reason bandwith is lowered to facilitate older machines
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and here i thought 12-14mb/s is fast. i was so impressed with fios.

lol, japan is a whole new world.
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That makes me sad. My 3Mbit DSL feels like dial-up compared to that stuff. Man, it's gonna take forever to fill my D: drive with po- uh, educational content.
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They should send a letter to congress about this. Only they should convert the kb/s to Porno/s. That will straighten everything out.
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nope, Its all private companies.

Its not that surprising. Consider they work much harder and faster than us. Plus they're always up to date in terms of technology.

just look at cell phones, iPhone looks like a pos toy to them, but its like a jewel or something to USA. the phones here is like a god damn joke.

Same thing for internet access. for example in Hong Kong is not hard to see 100mb line straight to home. it has something to do with the city's density (closer to the central office). but still. here is just too slow.
It has everything to do with population density and topographies. Other countries that aren't stereotyped as being hard working still have faster broadband because of these factors. Big, spread out country = slower broadband.

As far as gadgest like cell phones go it's pretty obvious that they spend money on different things. The average American wants a free phone so companies aren't going to spend lots of money developing pimp phones when they can make a ton more money catering to the Japansese who on average are willing to spend much more on a phone. Electronics have a higher importance in many urban cultures because they're not going to have these giants houses simply because it's not possible in a city. People in the suburbs spend money on houses they can't really afford and people in cities spend money on electronics, clothes, and activities. This isn't new and you see the exact same thing in places like NYC.
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WTF!? Is it only in japan you get free internet?
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doesnt really matter. as soon as the grid is "put into action" all current topologies will become obsolete. and I have no complaints with my current comcast speeds. i dont upload much so the 6mb/1mb ratio is pleasing enough to I. can download entire movies in a matter of <10min.
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I've lived in Japan and my paycheck will tell you that internet wasn't free, (unless I stole it from my neighbor's wireless, then yes). DSL + my phone bill came to about 100 dollars a month, and I made very few calls... Also you have to realize that while Japan is extremely advanced in some respects (cell phone technology, automobiles, electronics), there's many, many things that are woefully behind the US. Housing construction, banking, credit/atms, roads, hospitals, and "having it your way" at a restaurant, just to name a few.
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