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Derr.. If I were a ficticious character who loaded up a bunch of animals on a boat but had to leave 1 behind.. I would've left... uhm... yea.. i've got nothing...
f you clown!
At the purely factual level, we do not know to within an order of magnitude how many species of plants and animals we share the globe with: fewer than 2 million are currently classified, and estimates of the total number range from under 5 million to more than 50 million.
Lets see the arc was 300 x 50 x 50 cubits, a cubit = 18 inches. which converted equals 450 x 75 x 75 feet. which equals 2,531,250 cubic feet to hold 4 million animals (roughly) 2 million x 2 Male and Female remember? Which is being nice because I ran across this quote
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Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that [are] not clean by two, the male and his female.
It doesn't exactly say how many clean vs. unclean animals there are.. *shrug* I'll keep it at 4 million animals to be nice anyway. This gives each animal an average of .63 cubic feet to roam around in. roomy right? Aw hell lets be even more generous and say 1 million animals total. That's still 2.5 cubic feet an animal. I know what you're thinking, an Elephant is bigger than THAT! Well that's before you take the air out of them!
So they are to be taken care of by a handful of people for 40 days and 40 nights,
Where did all of the animal waist go? Where did they keep all the food? That would take up a lot more room having to keep care of all the animals and people etc.
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8:1 And God remembered Noah, and every living thing, and all the cattle that [was] with him in the ark: and God made a wind to pass over the earth, and the waters asswaged;
8:2 The fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained;
8:3 And the waters returned from off the earth continually: and after the end of the hundred and fifty days the waters were abated.
8:4 And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat.
8:5 And the waters decreased continually until the tenth month: in the tenth [month], on the first [day] of the month, were the tops of the mountains seen.
8:6 And it came to pass at the end of forty days, that Noah opened the window of the ark which he had made:
8:7 And he sent forth a raven, which went forth to and fro, until the waters were dried up from off the earth.
8:8 Also he sent forth a dove from him, to see if the waters were abated from off the face of the ground;
8:9 But the dove found no rest for the sole of her foot, and she returned unto him into the ark, for the waters [were] on the face of the whole earth: then he put forth his hand, and took her, and pulled her in unto him into the ark.
8:10 And he stayed yet other seven days; and again he sent forth the dove out of the ark;
8:11 And the dove came in to him in the evening; and, lo, in her mouth [was] an olive leaf pluckt off: so Noah knew that the waters were abated from off the earth.
8:12 And he stayed yet other seven days; and sent forth the dove; which returned not again unto him any more.
8:13 And it came to pass in the six hundredth and first year, in the first [month], the first [day] of the month, the waters were dried up from off the earth: and Noah removed the covering of the ark, and looked, and, behold, the face of the ground was dry.
8:14 And in the second month, on the seven and twentieth day of the month, was the earth dried.
8:15 And God spake unto Noah, saying,
8:16 Go forth of the ark, thou, and thy wife, and thy sons, and thy sons' wives with thee.
8:17 Bring forth with thee every living thing that [is] with thee, of all flesh, [both] of fowl, and of cattle, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth; that they may breed abundantly in the earth, and be fruitful, and multiply upon the earth.
8:18 And Noah went forth, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him:
8:19 Every beast, every creeping thing, and every fowl, [and] whatsoever creepeth upon the earth, after their kinds, went forth out of the ark.
8:20 And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar.
8:21 And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart [is] evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.
I don't think I understand the timeline, I unserstand that it was before gregorian calander system. So either way you look at it, he was there for a long time, 150 days is mentioned specifically.. I also like that he went on a killing spree afterwards. Must have gotten tired of the animals finally
I sort of got a vision of a very Ralph Cramdon-ish Noah. ONE OF THESE DAYS! ..
Yeah, I guess I can believe that.. :o
Last edited by Photic; 09-29-2005 at 12:30 PM.
Reason: Time and Date stuff.
I'll tell you what I would NOT have left behind.... unicorns! You're telling me that Noah was that freaking lazy that he couldn't get 2 unicorns on the damn boat?!!!
And I wonder what the carnivorous species are supposed to do when they get off the boat. Not really sure how you can get by with just two of each. But I would have left the polar bears since they have bad tempers.
They would also have had to resorted to incest, all of their friends are now gone, that means no more tea parties. I'm sure they were all probably pretty sick of talking to each other.. Kinda like "The Shining" but on a boat..
The Ark was not big enough to hold all those animals and carry enough food for a year.
A very real possibility was that the animals Noah put in the Ark were not full grown. It would not take as much food for young samples of each species. According to calculations in The Genesis Flood, by Whitcomb and Morris, 1961, page 69, the Ark could hold the equivalent of 522 standard two-decked railroad stock cars. To carry the no more than 35,000 estimated individual vertebrate animals, the average size being that of a sheep, would require no more than 146 such railroad cars.
Yeah, and all Photic had to do was ignore my comment. He made one...I made another one, leave it be...but he just couldn't leave it alone…and I refuse to also. His insinuation (something that could be seen as offensive to those of faith) started all of this…
Everyone was making comments, but he had to add his belief...
With only 35,000 animals then you start getting into evolution to get all of the different types of animals we have today. That would also imply that every animal would be now native to Mt. Ararat. How would you get a Kangaroo from there to Australia?
Especially if it right out says that everything on earth died as a result. All people and land dwelling animals.
No to mention having to wait for baby animals to be born during their respective seasons, from every continent, and separating them from their respective herds. Take my word for it having to deal with baby animals is not an easy task, they require a lot of attention. There is no way 8 people could take care of 35,000 animals, much less baby animals.
I would find it more plausible that he collected the DNA and was the first person to work with cloning. Or how about a shrink ray? I like that one personally.
I guess having sex with a first cousin isn't incest then? I sure wouldn't shack up with my cousins. 3 brothers all sharing the same bloodline, 3 wives who don't. Maybe they did swapping *shrug* who knows. I wasn't there.
I guess having sex with a first cousin isn't incest then?
Well true, but remember...Adam and Eve, it was FORCED incest and if you come to think of it...all relationships are LONG DISTANCE incest relationships.
Photic...your looking for details that frankly, the Bible does not get into. How did it all work exactly? How did the animals come to him? How did the animals stay calm? What happened to the waste (probably out the window)?
I have tons of questions myself...but your assumption is just that, nothing more. My issue is saying it was impossible.
Who knows all the "details" of our history? How did people live for hundreds of years? etc etc etc....gosh, I could live the rest of my life and not ask all the questions I have.
But, if you understand the "concept of GOD"....and "faith", that puts alot of things that are hard to grasp into perspective.
Logic is not absent from faith but it’s not subject to it either. Our logic is limited at best!
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