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I find it quite interesting. If my grey matter is working properly the 235Nm translates to roughly 175 lb. feet of torque, which is nice to see. 1300 kg. would be about 2850 lbs.
The two biggest problems I had with the S2k when I test drove one were the fact that it was a convertible and the lack of low end torque (yep, I said that). The engine felt like a Civic unless you were pushing it at levels that were way too loud for my taste. After that the price, horrible digital gauges, and twitchy at-the limit performance were also drawbacks, but the low RPM performance was the deciding factor for me. It seems as though they've improved that, but they may have added enough weight that it isn't actually quicker off the line. I imagine it's also going to be over 30k, and I don't think I'd be willing to put up with those problems I already mentioned.
It seems to be getting closer to the car that I want, but it's not there yet. I don't think their goal is to make the car what I want though. I hope Mazda's closer to the car I have in my head with the next gen 7. The S2200 doesn't quite do it for me.
A S2000 based coupe has been discussed to some length on some of the Honda forums. Many would like to see something like this produced. However, I fail to see the point of making it a strict 2 seater. Who would it appeal to when given the option of a convertible with about the same capabilities and price? What would be interesting is if they made it a 2+2. Then it might be a RX-8, BMW 330ci (maybe even M?), and Infinity G35 fighter. Just to name a few.
Me. More seats = more weight, which hurts performance. I've already got one practical car, what's the point in having 2 when I could have better performance?
O.K. So if Honda built a S2200 convertable would you consider that? The thing is, the S2000 was designed as a convertible. I don't think the engineers at Honda were considering a 2 seater coupe version when it was built (unlike other cars that start out as a coupe first and end up as a convertable with added weight and sometimes reduced handling capabilities). It's not like any significant amount of weight will be saved in a coupe version because it's a coupe. I wonder what they will do to make it handle or perform better other than the powerplant.
rxetreme, if you re-read my first post on this thread I think you'll be able to answer that question. I don't like convertibles, despite the fact that I have a Miata. The S2200 looks closer to what I want, but it's not there yet. An S2200 that weighed closer to 2600 lbs. and analog gauges would be closer to what I would want in a car. It would fix the 2 major problems I had with the S2k, which is the lack of low end torque and the fact that it's a convertible. Unfortunately, because it was designed as a convertible first it weighs much more, so the bigger engine seems to be a necessity to keep the performance the same, not an improvement.
Ultimately, I think I'm just going to have to wait for the RX-7. Hopefully it won't be too far out of my price range.
danger - the fake was different, I think it had a ton of other items like a hybrid drivetrain, etc. It was also not on a legitimate site, whereas this one appears to be. It still could be a fake, but the fact that the site seems real makes it much more believable.
The pic looked very airbrushed. I donno what to believe. I also saw a article on a much improved version of the s2k with hp in the range of 350 hp. I dont really believe it, i doubt that honda will build something like that.
Originally posted by irresistibo The pic looked very airbrushed. I donno what to believe. I also saw a article on a much improved version of the s2k with hp in the range of 350 hp. I dont really believe it, i doubt that honda will build something like that.
The 350hp article (actually it was more like 360!) was just fiction. The author posted a lenghty explanation on the S2K board.
S2200: the picture looks photoshopped (it's still nice though ). As for the possibility of an S2200, I doubt it would be anything like they described. Only 10 more hp and it gains some weight too? That sounds like a step in the wrong direction, especially considering they need to make the car faster to compete with the current and upcoming sports cars like the 350Z, RX-8/7, Supra, etc.
As for an S2K with more than 2 seats...it's been rumored for ages that Honda would build another car on the same platform as the S2K, or at least a stretched out version. It would make sense for them to share the platform among different models.
I'm wondering if anyone has seen a HP & Torque graph for the S2000 powerplant similar to the Renesis one somewhere on this forum. I want to compare them! I drove the S2000, and found it really low on the torque down low. Can anyone help?
Originally posted by n22lasing I'm wondering if anyone has seen a HP & Torque graph for the S2000 powerplant similar to the Renesis one somewhere on this forum. I want to compare them! I drove the S2000, and found it really low on the torque down low. Can anyone help?
The curves are only one part of the equation. Knowing jsut the torque curves without knowing the variables will tell you nothing at all.
That being said, open the attachment at the end of this post to see a graph with the approximated curves for both the s2000 and the rx-8. I'm sure you'll be able to tell which one is which. :D
Of course gearing, wheel/tire size and weight are a few other variables that you would need to know before comparing. See the thread in the discussion section on rx-8 gearing ratios for a little more info on the subject.
The narrow 800 r/min band between maximum torque and maximum power on the Honda implies that a six-speed gearbox is insufficient to avoid the red triangles on our gearing graphs, which show that the engine spends some time below the maximum torque speed, even at full throttle. On the other hand, once over 1750 r/min in the BMW, you’re always over the maximum torque speed. On the road, these differences translate into frequent gear-changes in the Honda and very few changes in the BMW. In fairness to the Honda, one should add that in more sedate driving the Honda is surprisingly docile.
The article compares the s2000 to a bmw 320d deisel and has a good discussion on the subject. The important thing to know is that the rx-8 has an almost unbelievably flat torque curve which means you don't have to keep shifting gears to stay in the powerband. That is good. :D
That was good, but what's even better is your reply! Thanks for all that information, and the heads-up on setting my expectations considering the lack of some information. I was hoping , I can also see a S2000 HP curve. I know I'm being picky, but graphs are fun to look at. Thanks again.
Originally posted by n22lasing That was good, but what's even better is your reply! Thanks for all that information, and the heads-up on setting my expectations considering the lack of some information. I was hoping , I can also see a S2000 HP curve. I know I'm being picky, but graphs are fun to look at. Thanks again.