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By the way in top gear, the Evo FQ300 which drove by stig, did a 1.28.9 (which was faster then the Murcielago), and as compared with the RX-8 which did 1.31.8.
I know it's not the best guage interms of timing for these cars, but I'm just using them as an example, so, for those who thinks the stock RX can or did catch up with the Evos, they are probably just cruising.
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lol, some of these guys.......let me get my hands on them.....no wait let me get my baseball bat on them........and well see if they like the rx8 now j/k, some of these guys dont even know wat they are talking about, their probalby thinking of the 350z or something,
Hot, but I don't like the lines. Reminds me of the Evo VII to VIII transformation
not to mention they lied on the output of the engine...
(wtf???) these kids are crazy^
Originally posted by M-ster If anyone cares, you can read it here!
By the way in top gear, the Evo FQ300 which drove by stig, did a 1.28.9 (which was faster then the Murcielago), and as compared with the RX-8 which did 1.31.8.
I know it's not the best guage interms of timing for these cars, but I'm just using them as an example, so, for those who thinks the stock RX can or did catch up with the Evos, they are probably just cruising.
I do not think anyone really thinks the 8 will take an evo in a straight line..
Mental: The comments you pasted ar perfectly valid. Remember even on this 8 forum a lot of people still think of the 8 as a succesor to the 7, even if it's not exactly that. So the lines are a pretty dramatic change in that regard. Also, Mazda DID lie about the power output at first. They can say mis-quote all they like, but the simple fact is they lied and ended up paying for it.
And if you asked me what I thought about the lines of an EVO I would say fugly as well. We all are entitled to our opinion. It's interesting to read others about the car, but ultimatly, they dont matter.
Originally posted by Genom Mental: Also, Mazda DID lie about the power output at first. They can say mis-quote all they like, but the simple fact is they lied and ended up paying for it.
I'm not sure if we're all being to harsh on Mazda. Did they really lied? Well the JDM's cars still producing 247bhp, as they advertised, but just before they release their export models, they realize the original specs are not meeting the emission stardard of the other markets. I don't think they have a choice but to de-tune the ecu, and by then they're probably a little too late to re-instate their position.
Or did they really tried to cover-up intentionally??
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What's most impressive is a thread that actually talks about cars in a car forum and stays on point. I've never seen one of those before!
In January's Automobile, they voted the EVO VIII Auto of the Year, but in the editorial, they said that the RX 8 was as close a runner up as they ever had. Apparently, the debate split the room down the middle for quite a while. The 8 is a great car, but nobody in the industry seems to be able to voice why. They can't classify it. They just like driving it.
I wish we had Japan's fuel. It would have made things so much easier bringing the car over here and we would be seeing the hp and maybe the mpg's as well. Here's to dreaming...
Originally posted by klegg I do not think anyone really thinks the 8 will take an evo in a straight line..
You need to test drive one, it is NOT a straight line car. I have driven both and Evo corners with much greater speed and stability. RX8 is a fun car to drive however evo is just raw and fast.
Yeah, mebee the UK's FQ300 (300BHP remember) is quicker than a UK RX-8 (228bhp remember!).
But that same RX_8 matched the M3 and 350z times.
The Evo is a much harsher ride, hugely over bodykited and a lot more cash than the RX8. Personaly, if they tone down the body kit so I dont have to wear a rear facing baseball cap and look a ***** driving one I would possibly consider it.
But as a daily driver that performs, I think it falls way short of the overall package the RX8 is.
The FQ300 is a great car - but I wouldnt swap my RX8 for one - 5-10% of my driving is 'fun' the rest is work runs/shopping etc.
Originally posted by RobDickinson Yeah, mebee the UK's FQ300 (300BHP remember) is quicker than a UK RX-8 (228bhp remember!).
But that same RX_8 matched the M3 and 350z times.
The Evo is a much harsher ride, hugely over bodykited and a lot more cash than the RX8. Personaly, if they tone down the body kit so I dont have to wear a rear facing baseball cap and look a ***** driving one I would possibly consider it.
But as a daily driver that performs, I think it falls way short of the overall package the RX8 is.
The FQ300 is a great car - but I wouldnt swap my RX8 for one - 5-10% of my driving is 'fun' the rest is work runs/shopping etc.
If a daily driver is what you are looking for then the RX8 is a great choice. I do have to disagree with the price. A fully loaded RX8 is around 34k and a fully loaded Evo is around 33k. I got mine for 29k.
Originally posted by Hanzo Base model yes but most of the cars on the lot has options. The only way to get a base 8 that I know of is to order one.
Your still thinking about the US cars.
UK cars come with more as standard.
The only factory fit options for the UK RX8 are :
Leather seats (inc power and heaters) £1500
Sat nav £1200
Some paint options - £300
Sunroot - I dont know the price sry.
(RX-8 comes with BOSE, climate control, HID headlights etc standard)
That bumps the RX-8's price up by £3000 to £25000 - FULLY specced.
Thats still £1,800 cheaper than the BASE Evo, and £4000 cheaper than the base FQ300.
Opps - sorry I got the OTR (on the road ) prices wrong for the evo's. These prices are from Mitsubishi's website:
FQ330 - £31,999.00
FQ300 - £28,999.00
EVO 8 - £26,999.00
All without options.
EVO's have 4,500mile serive intervals in Uk, RX8 has 12500mile serive intervals. EVO mpg is slightly worse than the RX8.
EVO charges extra for paint, HIDS, NAVI, decent stereo & leather options.
I dont kow about US, but in the UK, even the base moddel EVO costs a lot more than the top spec RX8.
Aslo the RX8 will be half the price to insure and run.
Originally posted by RobDickinson Your still thinking about the US cars.
UK cars come with more as standard.
The only factory fit options for the UK RX8 are :
Leather seats (inc power and heaters) £1500
Sat nav £1200
Some paint options - £300
Sunroot - I dont know the price sry.
(RX-8 comes with BOSE, climate control, HID headlights etc standard)
That bumps the RX-8's price up by £3000 to £25000 - FULLY specced.
Thats still £1,800 cheaper than the BASE Evo, and £4000 cheaper than the base FQ300.
Opps - sorry I got the OTR (on the road ) prices wrong for the evo's. These prices are from Mitsubishi's website:
FQ330 - £31,999.00
FQ300 - £28,999.00
EVO 8 - £26,999.00
All without options.
EVO's have 4,500mile serive intervals in Uk, RX8 has 12500mile serive intervals. EVO mpg is slightly worse than the RX8.
EVO charges extra for paint, HIDS, NAVI, decent stereo & leather options.
I dont kow about US, but in the UK, even the base moddel EVO costs a lot more than the top spec RX8.
Aslo the RX8 will be half the price to insure and run.
I guess I think US because I live in US. I don't live in UK.
Originally posted by RobDickinson Sorry, the threads premis was that a stock UK RX-8 was slower round a UK test track against a UK FQ300 - and that means no RX-8 can catch an EVO.
I'm pointing out that the FQ300 has 72BHP more and costs £7000 more than the RX8 there comparing it against.
If you put it that way then compare the cost / performance ratio of the Murcielago to the FQ300.
And yes I know the RX8 can also be compared the same way as to the M3.
I guess I am just trying to say that you get better performance per dollar in terms of performance you get not the appointment. Evo and RX8 are in different category in terms of performance.
Price/performance in the UK is undoubtedly lead by cars like the caterham R series and the Ultima.
But spend that £7000 on a turbo and stiffer racing suspension for the RX-8 (say giving the RX-8 300hp) and it would stuff the EVO under most conditions.
Originally posted by RobDickinson Price/performance in the UK is undoubtedly lead by cars like the caterham R series and the Ultima.
But spend that £7000 on a turbo and stiffer racing suspension for the RX-8 (say giving the RX-8 300hp) and it would stuff the EVO under most conditions.
This is one of those speculation type of condition. giving the RX8 300hp will require lots of money (turbo kit). AWD traction is hard to beat, I would say go test drive one before making any statement about it.
Don't know if you watch Tsukuba time attacks but the fastest car (non-formula or racecars) on Tsukuba is an Evo V (JUN). BTW the time attack has no rules on mods sky is the limit.
evo still looks like a fugly ralley car to me. i can't stand those boxy cars, the 8 has the EVO in the bag as far as the overall car is concerned. i could really care less if the evo has the hottest piston pusher in it right now as far as i'm concerned the EVO is crap.
Originally posted by Jhouse evo still looks like a fugly ralley car to me. i can't stand those boxy cars, the 8 has the EVO in the bag as far as the overall car is concerned. i could really care less if the evo has the hottest piston pusher in it right now as far as i'm concerned the EVO is crap.
Thanks, for the insightful post! With the tone of many on this board, I wouldn't be surprised if RX8s (and their owners) get looked down upon as being superficial by the enthusiast community in the next couple of years.
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revhappy, that's uncalled for. You're getting pissed off because someone's stating their opinion on a car you like-not even attacking you specifically- and you're responding by making sweeping generalizations directed at pissing off the whole forum.
Originally posted by Elara revhappy, that's uncalled for. You're getting pissed off because someone's stating their opinion on a car you like-not even attacking you specifically- and you're responding by making sweeping generalizations directed at pissing off the whole forum.
Elara,
Thanks for the input, but I feel my post IS called for. In the last several months, I have noticed a change in the overall character of this board. Specifically, there has been intolerance in regards to other cars. This intolerance is often expressed in insults about cars such as the WRX, STI and EVO that seem vain and superficial. In fact, some other boards have already begun to comment on this and an unfavorable reputation is starting to hatch. Perhaps, the truth "pisses off" some on the forum, but hopefully it has a chance to improve some of the posts.
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hey its just my opinion about the distasteful styling of the car. Now if revhpp was just trying to get a rise out of me he is going to have to try a little harder but i'm sure it will be without any luck. My opinion is just my opinion and well sorry but thats just the way life is, and i'll be the first to say yes, Everybody has an opinion and yes opinions ARE like ******** and yes i have one. hey and if anybody would like to they can call me one.
OKi'll get off my 238 hp high chair and let you guys get back to what the post is really about.
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