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Old 09-28-2002, 05:29 PM   #1
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Ceramic Coated Engine

Anyone know if the RX-8's engine has any type of ceramic coating that's supposed to aid performance and longevity.

What's the real benefit of a ceramic coated engine?
Was this ever used in prior rotaries?
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Old 09-28-2002, 05:35 PM   #2
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ceramics expand and contract less during heating and cooling so stand up better in high heat stress situations than glass or metals. i don't have any knowledge of their use/ non use in rotories.
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Old 09-28-2002, 07:08 PM   #3
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They would make engine out of ceramic, if it weren't so brittle. There has actually be attempts made to do so.
In fact, ceramics are so good at high temps, that a (very expensive) prototype of a ceramic engine was built, that required no oil because there was no reason to lower engine temperature.
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???

I thought oil was used primarily to reduce friction (which then, in turn, reduced heat), but friction also wears parts. Wouldn't any piston engine require something for lubrication?
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I thought oil was used primarily to reduce friction (which then, in turn, reduced heat), but friction also wears parts. Wouldn't any piston engine require something for lubrication?
Well, you can engineer ceramics to be more slippery than steel (quite a bit more actually). Don't know what the coefficient of friction on this engine was though. In the interest of fuel efficiency, you'd want the piston/cylinder interface to be as slippery as possible, but its not a material concern with these ceramics they were using. While ceramics may be brittle, they are harder than all-get-out. Iron, titanium, and all our other "super-metals" don't come close to having the hardness of ceramic. I forgot to mention, the pistons were ceramic too.

The goal was (with this engine) to be highly environmentally friendly. Think about how many gallons of used oil and engine coolant make their way into the environment. An engine that required neither would be a fantastic breakthrough.

Haven't heard much more about this engine since the preliminary data came out. I know it was wickedly expensive and extremely difficult to make. The brittleness problem was more-or-less solved, I guess, because they bench-tested it upto 1,000,000 miles with no failure (and hardly any noticeable wear in the cylinders). I think what killed the project (unless its still going, I can't find their webpage) was the fact that even in mass production, the estimated cost per engine would be (gulp) $50,000.

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Old 09-29-2002, 04:59 PM   #6
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There is some info here... looks really interesting...

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/1614/

I wonder if this technology could be applied to rotary engines? I'm sure that the reduced lubrication and heat problems would be ideal in a rotary.
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Hmm, mercedes already lines the cylinders in some of their engines with silicon.
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I think I read somwhere that some parts of the Renesis use a bonded ceramic coating... exhaust ports if I recall...

Anyone know details?
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I read somewhere that the ports on the Renisis would be ceramic, doubt that anything else would be made of ceramics considering the cost.
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Mazda seems to be a most progressive company. I've never heard of a company putting ceramics in a car's engine.

I've heard of duralube and slick 50 etc. tho.
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