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If all factors are taken into account, (performance, reliability, tuning potential, daily driver, track car, price) what would be everyone's #1 pick?
The FD RX-7, (yes I am biased), comes to mind. When it came out in 93 it blew away the competition in overall bang for the buck performance. But reliability forces me to take it off the list.
After that, for me, it comes down to the GT2 and Corvette Z06. At the GT2's price, and 28.5psi output I question its reliability and value.
I believe the Z06 from Chevrolet to be the best sports car of all time. It is a lightweight in price, but still pulls 4 second sprints to 60, and +1g on the skidpad. Not to mention that for less money than a GT2, you can pay for a Lingenfelter prepared Vette with over 800hp.
I know it's not a Ferrari or some other exotic, and it won't win any styling awards. But when I look at its potential and the overall package, I can't think of anything that comes close. Save possibly the original Shelby Cobra.
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Mabe so... but you understand that the patern you speak of is not based entirely on patriotism... more that an "American Sportscar" is is generally impractical on the roads in England.... And Fuel costs are higher, so a lower powered, lighter car is more practical...
As I said however, if it's performance you're after, the Tuscan R can mince just about anything on a road.
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Without a doubt the McLaren F1 is the best sports car ever, IMO. It had a 6.1 liter BMW engine producing 627 hp/498 lbs tq in 1993. It seated 3 people, with the use of a centrally located drivers seat slightly foward of the passenger seats. It was not built to be a race car for the street, so all the creature comforts were included. A/C, CD stereo system, Connoly leather seats etc. It had more cargo space then the BMW 540 of the time, through the use of a small bay on either side of the car aft of the door. Carbon fiber was used extensively, which brought the final weight to around 2600 pounds. It was supposed to give the driver the best feel for the road, and closest experience to driving an F1 car, so it is RWD and does not have ABS or power brakes. And it's performance remains unrivaled close to 10 years later. The new Ferrari Enzo is not as fast but I'm sure is more nimble on a track. And the price for all of this was $890,000 at the time. But the customers got something built from the ground up in around 2500 man hours. And nothing like it has been built since. It's 0-60 is 3.2 seconds, 0-100 in 6.8, 0-200 in 28, 1/4 mile in 11.1, and the real telling statistic.....its top speed is 241 miles an hour. That stat, according to it's makers, is more limited by gearing than by the limits of the engine. In 1995 it won LeMans 24 hours in it's first entry. It won the BPR league in Europe in 95 and 96, with competion from cars such as the Ferrari F40, Jaguar XJ220, Lister Storm, and Porsche 911 GT2 This is one hell of a car. I suggest the book about the life of the F1, Driving Ambition, it's worth the money.
Originally posted by zoom44 i seem to be seeing a pattern here... americans pick an american car, a brit picks a british car. every country that produces sports cars probably has a "Best" from their country.
It might be a british car, but discounting cars that no real people can buy (Like the F1)... Does America have anything even remotely as fast as a Tuscan R?
The McClaren F1 was the best sports car. It was a real study in street legal racing. From the driver in the center design to the exotic carbon fiber materials it was a awesome vehicle. Not just the fastest car but also one of the best handling ever!
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best EVER?? wow man... that's like, WAAAAAY too long a time to cover...
one thing though, 'cause i'm Canadian, and have little partiality for American cars, i just can't see how the Shelby 427 could be considered one of the best of all time... best American car?? but if you're talking about ALL time, sorry fellas, i just don't get it (nostalgia points don't count, otherwise when i'm your age, many of my friends would say "civic si" )
Blue, i can see why you picked a TVR... fricken' wicked, first learned of their existance playing Gran Turismo (#1... who says video games only rot your mind?? :D) and ya, i fell in love to... but first with the Cerbera, then i went to their factory page (which is really actually one of the slickest designs i've yet to see from any factory: www.tvr.co.uk ) and well, just pick a favourite!!
but best??? oh man... and oh ya, i'm talking about REAL SPORTS cars, not muscle on a diet, or GTs either: lithe, lean, and quick are prerequisites.
well, i guess i could have favourites from different decades...
60's: Jaguar E-Type (did they make the super-light aluminum one before the decade was out?? i'm thinking of THAT one...)
70's: SA RX-7... light, small, fairly powerful, very well balanced and super tossable, this decade closer beat the crap out of Datsun at a lower price (well, okay, maybe not "the crap...", but i think it's prettier )
80's: jeez, i dunno... Lotus Esprit 350 or 330 or whatever-it-was...
90's: hmm... down to NSX, FD, Lotus Elise, uh, what else?? holy crap... well, just about any 90's car mentioned in the thread...
but best of all time??
well, if we're talking about styling and heritage, i'd say the [B]Ferrari[B/] GTO
(oh!! those Red Heads are so beautiful!!... whoo!!) :D
and if we're talking about outright speed and performance ya, McLaren F1
and if we're talking American historical icon, Viper (NOT the Corvette...)
and if we're talking about a car anyone could afford, the Miata (the KING!!)
Wakeech, I'm not sure I agree with much of your argument.
I don't think anyone in their right mind would argue that the Civic Si is the best sports car ever. I'm a few years older than you and I don't know anyone that would try to make such a BS argument. An Si has a hard time with a V6 Camaro.
I know you didn't say that the Si is the best or advocate it, but my point is that the Shelby Cobra is a very good argument. In its time it set the standard both on the street and on the track.
As for the Viper, it is not the greatest American car for two reasons:
1) It has not set any new standards on the street or track.
2) Carroll Shelby created the Viper and he used the same formula as when he created the Cobra - massive torque, rwd, and large displacement. The Viper is a rip-off of the Cobra some 40 years later.
hey guys I just signed up here today (this is my first message) I'm pretty impressed with your knowledge, and the photoshop ability I seen in the pictures thread is excellent. I was surfing everywhere to find a photo of a black RX-8 and as a bonus it had red accent interior (my favorite). But anyways, although I'm not a ford fan I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the GT-40 it really was a great car, in the late 60's it took on and beat the best of what the world had to offer. It's styling has been copied in many cars throughout the years and ford is gonna produce it again nearly unchanged (visually) and it appears that it will be at the top of the american sports car market. Because we all know a ton of idiots buy mustangs.
whoa whoa Red Devil!! i didn't mean to offend anyone!!
:D i was just kidding about the Civic Si thing... :D it's just that based on nostalgia points, i think that some of my idiot racerboy friends would consider the Civic Si as the "sports car" (by their definition at least) icon of all time... but no, i'm really making fun of those air heads...
oh, well yes i know that the Viper concept was a modern follow through of the origional Cobra, and the design team admitted it. i don't think that it means that it is worse, simply because it's not the "origional", mostly because i don't think it's a direct rip off.
First off, i do love the Cobra, to the point of (at one time) planning on buying a kit and attempting to build one for myself. well, boy hood dreams come and gone. But i certainly don't think it's the best sports car of all time, for a few reasons. First, i can't see it as a real "sports car" as my definition stands, it's front heavy, and well, it's not a package that was penned as a whole thing, but i see it as more of a hotrod/race car. i'm sure that you afficianados know that the chassis and body were from a (British, i think) European car manufacturer, and Carol Shelby threw the Ford 5L into it and called it his race car. Super idea, obviously worked, but for me, not best of all time... best hotrod concept ever?? HELL ya.
And, well, i say the Viper is more of an American icon mostly because it's more American. Yes, the modus operandi of the Cobra was copied extensively (big displacement, smallish vehicle, RWD), but the whole thing was designed as one inclusive unit, not pieced together like the Cobra. The styling, the design (especially structurally and aerodynamically, it was a big deal in American car design), and the iconographic meaning simply out do any other American car i could think of. It did set new standards, no not on the track or the street, but as a finished product, it was really something special, and IMHO more special than the Cobra. NOT to take anything away from the Cobra, still a great car, certainly.
so, Red Devil, sorry if i stepped on your toes, i really didn't mean to!! :D k??
Sorry if I came across as being angry, I wasn't at all. I just wanted to cut down the civic (I really hate them). And I wanted to counter your argument on the Viper. But I do see your logic for picking the car.