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'THREE of the monsters who massacred 202 innocents in Bali six years ago (including 88 Australian's) shouted that "God is great" before a firing squad sent them to hell last night.'
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I believe in killing those who kill in the name of their beliefs as the killing they did, in the name of their beliefs, was not the same as the belief I have that killing them makes the world a better place.
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One of my unreliable sources says that the men were executed by a firing squad - but immediately afterwards about 2000 people protested the executions and declared them to be heros who died for their cause, and they paraded the caskets around and fired guns and had a lot of fun and they will use this to recruit new terrorists!
^^ Correct, the 3 A** Holes also chose to not be blindfolded, they each had their own firing squad and were shot through the heart..
I know I sound like a hypocrite here as I normally don't believe in the death penalty, but when there are mass killings like Bali they have forfeited their right to life.
BTW, Australia and States have not had the death penalty for over 50 years.
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I do not believe in just 'aborting' people because they are inconvienent, but I sure believe in 'putting to sleep', rabid dogs, and people who act like rabid dogs...
As a Geneva'ed medic we were not allowed to play with fire arms - except, when we had patients that needed to be defended -
Besides, there are some beliefs that a murderer cannot be forgiven for spilling innocent blood unless his own blood has been spilt - I rather like that rule.....and it is probably kinder than locking them up for life with other criminals whom they could hurt...
I do not believe in just 'aborting' people because they are inconvienent, but I sure believe in 'putting to sleep', rabid dogs, and people who act like rabid dogs...
As a Geneva'ed medic we were not allowed to play with fire arms - except, when we had patients that needed to be defended -
Besides, there are some beliefs that a murderer cannot be forgiven for spilling innocent blood unless his own blood has been spilt - I rather like that rule.....and it is probably kinder than locking them up for life with other criminals whom they could hurt...
The problem is that keeping them in jail costs a lot of money. Is it worth spending money for a murderer? i guess no.
It's a shame we don't have death penalty here in Italy. We keep'em in jail for 9-20-30years and that's it. A convicted costs around 200€ a day, you decide.
Location: In the hills between San Miguel and Parkfield - "up in the boonie lands", Central Coast of California, Wine Country
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Here we often let them have a couple of years in prison then release them to make more room - sadly some immediately return to their victems, and continue mayhem... and worse, when they are in jail they teach others and expand their control of gangs and terrorist...
The average time for a wife murderer, here in California, is about 7 years, you get more years for robbing a bank! Death is usually reserved for serial killers or really messy killers of unrelated kids.
Clinton even pardoned some guys who bombed a police car here in California..
The problem with the Bali bombers is you only got the little guys, the bosses who inspired them, needed to be put down as much or more than the 3, because they will incite some one else to build bombs!
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Hey how come it's O.K. to say bad stuff about religion in these threads but not good stuff?
(I guess bans have to be poltically correct! Isn't that really the ultimate hypocracy? )
Oddly enough, the people who drank the cool-aid at Dr. Jone's vacation retreat were not acting as hypocrites (actors) but were doing their thing with pure intent...And those poor souls trying to catch the mother ship in California(they were not into religion, they were just a bunch of people who had watched too much Star Trek) also acted out their fantasy beliefs.
It isn't so much religion that is causing the bombings, and cult tragedys - it is some fool building castles in the clouds, and then conning a bunch of other people to try and move into them!
As we know these bastards believe that they will meet their maker and be rewarded with riches and virgins when they die!
The really pathetic part is these "Bombers" are young naive and easily influenced by their teachers or spiritual leaders, funny thing is if riches await the perpetrators how come these elder spiritual leaders don't lead by example.
I was in Bali very soon after the bombing at the Sari Nightclub. The Balinese took this as their 911........unfortunately the Aussie death count was very high. It truly destroyed the Balinese emotionally for quite some time as well. I hope the three of them burn-in hell just like anybody else that kills in the name of their religion.
The Balinese(who are mostly Hindu) took it very hard and chased damn near every Muslim back to Java and elsewhere in Indo. There were even some be-headings. I stayed about two blocks away from the bomb site for about three weeks while on a surf trip before heading over to G-land(on Java) and it was very surreal. I felt for all my Aussie surfing mates and those that were simply there on holiday. I would pass by the wall/fence that had become a makeshift memorial adorned with all sorts of mementos, flowers, offerings, etc. It was very, very sad. I always stopped and paid my respects to those who perished.
Given that Bali(for the most part) has a thriving tourist economy, once again people from other areas of Indo have slowly come back in to make money and in search of a better life. This was obvious on a subsequent trip about two years ago. Unfortunately..............along with those seeking a better life come some religious fanatics/hypocrites.
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Oddly enough, the people who drank the cool-aid at Dr. Jone's vacation retreat were not acting as hypocrites
well, wasnt trying to say that incident was hypocritical. Just that it's one example how completely farked up fanaticism can be.
Religions most of the time have the self-righteous air of "if you aren't doing it our way, you are not only WRONG but you are also DAMNED. The beliefs will condemn violence and killing, yet in the next moment, say they are justified in erradicating those who will not one of the "saved or cannot be "turned"... and i am not even talking about what's happened with terrorist activities in our times... this mentality stems back to the dawn of time.
Yes, wonderful things have been done in the name of religion. I dont want to sound like i am dis-counting that. But the horrors wrought by the same are what's etched in the stone of history.
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For a while there were real earthly rewards for terrorism - remember when Saddam Hussain was offering families whose sons died while blowing other people up $35,000 a year?
But a surprising amount of this bombing stuff goes back to Syria's efforts to retake Jordan, Lebanon, and Israel... During WWII Germany sent teachers of Nazism into the middle east to help secure allies and oil resources – much of the anti-Jewish “religious fervor comes from these teachings.
After WWII the British took Syria, which had sided with Hitler, and took out three sections of Syrian land in an effort to produce peace, one was a homeland for Arabs (Islam), and that was Jordan; one for the Christians, and that was Lebanon; and one was for the Jews, and that became Israel.
And Syria, directly or indirectly has tried to reabsorb what it considered to be its own lands, with focus on Lebanon and Israel.
The Russians for their own ends helped the ferment, and odd characters, like Arafat, ( who was sometimes Muslim and sometimes called himself a Christian, and who helped cause the Civil War in Crete) were major players in training people to use bombings for their causes.
The Russians, trying to spread the revolution, during the 50’s and 60’s, even sent people to the U.S. to teach the Marxist dogmas of Atheism “Religion is the opium of the people”, and the joys of bomb making… So we had all sorts of hippy types blowing up banks, police cars, and each other up until Patty Hearst joined the Liberation Front. Even John Kerry’s militants were contemplating bomb building…
And it was no accident that Jones Town cult members were forced to learn Russian and study Marxian writings...
It is not religion that has put dynamite into the hands of children it is the same old power brokers and thoughts that gave us WWII.
Bali is/was one of the most pleasant places on earth and it is a shame that someone had to go and mess up something that bordered on paradise...
It is not religion that has put dynamite into the hands of children it is the same old power brokers and thoughts that gave us WWII...
you're right on that point. However, what do you think is the driving factor that makes those children (or adults) go blow up themselves, places and other people? "Psst... hey kid, i'll give you this yummy lollipop if you strap this 15 pounds of C4 to your *** and detonate in the middle of the market place at noon."
umm... ya, highly unlikely.
You are skirting the truth in order to divert blame. The bottomline is, even though the agenda's of the puppetteers are completely different from those who suicide themselves, it's the promise of "God's favor" and whatever other nonsense that can be lumped in with that train of thought, that is used to drive the weak-minded into doing something so horrendous.
You can site as many references to history as you want, and they are great resources of information... but it's only applicable to those who are the puppetters as i've called them. The ones who truly are seeking power. It's what they do and how they go about convincing the "pawns" to do the "dirty work". Persuading the simple-minded or weak-willed with promises of "Holy Glory" is by far the easiest path to take. It sets people's minds at ease because they see themselves and doing no wrong and therefore unaccountable for the results of their actions. "I did it for God. I've done no wrong." the manipulators dont care... the pawns are there to die. Nothing more.
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^ exactly MJR, plus its easy when you have a large pool of teenage boys, raging hormones in a society that blocks all views the its female members. The promise of virgin females upon death is actually an easy idea to swallow.
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One of my friends who seriously studied war concluded that no side see's itself as evil. Stalin's communist atheists did not consider themselves evil as they laid bodies up like cordwood, they thought they were doing it for the good of the state. Hitler's SS, who worshiped the 'strong will' and mocked Christianity, thought their experiments, which included filling wombs to bursting with cement, thought they were doing this to 'save the race' and doing people a favor. The Chinese communists, who hated all superstitious religion, felt they were burning family historys, and aborting female babies for the good of all. Everyone justifies their actions - calling upon science, religion, will, or tribe.
But, it is only with religion and/ or a higher philosphy, that we can make the 90 degree turn, and think in a different way, and say "do good to those who spitefully use you"; or "the worth of every soul is great", or"Do not bury your daughters in the sand", or "be good to man and beast".
And, it is only the serial killer, or social psychopath, who can kill without a need for justification... and these kill their parents, their own children, and themselves.
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