Highspeed

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Thomas, I have a question and this is just a thought here. The Texas 8 is not for just one small group of people or one person as we all know. This event is for the state of Texas RX8 owners and rotor heads as well as for groups like us here in Tulsa that is friends with all of you down there and enjoy hanging out and sharing the same passion for rotors. Could we not come up with a couple ideas for what to do in the Texas 8, i.e. 3 sisters as an option, track day as an option, maybe something else as an option etc...and then ask for respectful thoughts and ideas with a poll on what everyone would like to do? Then the entire group gets to decide the meet and have a say in it instead of just having one option? This way you get everyone's input, respectful and factual inputs as well as pros and cons of each. This would allow everyone to see everyone else's point of views, concerns, pros, thoughts, etc...and help them in deciding what would be best for them and what they would like. Then open a poll that is open for like a week or two for people to vote on which event they would like the Texas 8 to be. Once the deadline on the poll comes to an end, the majority wins and those who setup and plan the Texas 8 can then start planning the event based on the majority vote. I could see this being an eliminating factor to some of the bitterness and no one can really complain or get upset about what is decided since it is a decision and majority vote of their own peers. This way the Texas 8 is what it is called...an event for texas of rotorheads and 8 owners. This would allow the entire group to have a say in their meet and would be everyone working as a team to make the 8 amazing and fair. Just was thinking about this and thought I would share with you and everyone to see what people think. I know here in the Tulsa chapter, Jimmy is great about bringing up ideas of what we are going to have a chance to do this year and then always asks what we think and if we have any ideas. It allows us all to be involved and feel like our opinion/likes are valid and listened to. Just thought I would throw this out there as an idea to possibly be done to be fair and reasonable to everyone...so everyone has a chance to give their input, respectfully, and then majority vote wins for what the event will consist of. This would also allow others to chime in with things they could do to help out, get sponsors, etc...so that the event planner isnt having to do it all alone.

Thanks

lta_ds_fs7

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This is a great idea Brannon

Angels8

Not that it needs it, but I agree.. This is a great starting point to plan for a group event.

Riley Craven

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Short Answer: No.

Long Answer: NO. If you want to plan your own events that's fine with me, but that is NOT how The Texas 8 will be run.

See the problem is that you are new to this whole thing, so you haven't seen the threads that had to be deleted because of this stupid bullshit whining. You haven't had to try and corral a group of almost polar opposites into one cohesive group that gets along. I've tried everything you've suggested and its failed.... every... single.... time....

And guess what, its the same damn people bitching that **** never gets done that are the complainers when new meets get put or people are asked for the opinions. The same people that have literally contributed NOTHING to the group that always think their opinions should be the ones that matter.

seatownracer

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Brannon, before this thread gets blown up into some big fight I just want to say that we have tried to do the polls in the past, everytime we do it that way bickering follows. So we decided to just plan events (becasue no one else really does) and if enough people wanted to do it then we would do it.

We are not trying to take away the Kerrville trip, we have done that one for four years already. We just wanted to add something else to the calender year and thought it would be fun to do a track day. Obviously there are some concerns about a track day but hell there are concerns over the Kerrville trip as well. btw I know Thomas may be coming across a little short but hopefully you do not take it personal. Again the ultimate goal is to just get RX8 enthusiasts together and have a good time, if you do not want to take part in the track day it doesn't mean you still cannot come on out, we plan on doing the dinners, raffles and hanging out as well.

Angels8

Hey Seatown, I see where you are coming from and I understand, but you have said it yourself. Thomas comes off as short which to many who don't know him - he comes off as an ***. I have had a few RX driving friends read the forum and tell me, "have fun at that meet if you go, that dude Riley is not someone I want to be around." It makes it super hard to get RX8 Enthusiasts together, when no one wants to be around because they feel like we see ourselves as elitests, they feel excluded or read the dictator-like posts.
If people can go - then go
If people can't go - then don't
If people present facts about risks of an event that maybe otherwise ignored or unknown to the NEW PEOPLE INTERESTED - Don't try to blow it over and get an attitude. Validate the points and address them in a calm neutral manner.

Better yet, if you are going to have someone who leads/plans events, maybe they should have some people skills and realize that when you start getting threatened by deleting of opinion that the group will fracture and the track day will be the same 4-8 NTX people that always go, because no one else wants to be involved.

Riley Craven

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Or better yet, maybe everyone should stop making inflammatory posts that I have to respond to.

I made it a point several times in the previous thread for people to send me a freaking PM. Not one of you complainers took the courtesy or respect to do so.

lta_ds_fs7

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The poll idea must have been before my time since I don't recall one...But if it didn't work, why not try another method of gathering ideas, like setting up a meeting for everybody to come out to?...I think that would be more successful seeing as the internet has never been a good way to pitch ideas...This is why every job and organization sets aside time to meet face to face.

Don't take this the wrong way, but it's not that people don't want to contribute Thomas...It's that you don't want to hear their opinions or include them in the decision making...Just like yesterday when you told me that you didn't want my opinion or input on anything...But to be a successful group and host successful events, it is necessary to incorporate the opinions of the participants.

If the track day wasn’t meant to replace the Texas 8…Great…Let’s set up a meeting to plan the Texas 8…I’m all up for pitching ideas.

seatownracer

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Well Thomas definitely doesnt "ruin" any meets or events (So sorry you feel that way) He has been a big part of this group as well as a huge part (planning) of the Texas 8 for the past four years. Yes as we all have seen he may get worked up over stuff on this forum but seriously he is not the only one doing it! these threads are getting hijacked with drama!

lta_ds_fs7

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^Who is this pointed at?

Riley Craven

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I think you missed the point of what I was saying in the other thread about opinions. I was saying I SPECIFICALLY (ie on purpose) did not ask for them in the track thread because every time we have, as Steve has said it leads to bickering.

I assure you, I know first hand people want to contribute, which is why in the past I tried to do the poll idea. I can also assure you that its not that I DONT want your opinion, or anyone else's for that matter, its that I don't want all the bickering that stems from people sharing their opinions. Big difference. Again I never said I didn't want your opinion, I just said I never asked for it. (and that is one of the few posts I haven't edited so it is easily verifiable)

lta_ds_fs7

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Thomas...Telling somebody you didn't ask for their opinion is beating around the bush while telling them you don't want their opinion.

Well bickering is always going to happen...Especially over the internet...This is why I suggested a meeting in person...You can't necessarily tell people they can't voice their thoughts because you don't want to hear bickering.

Like I told you before, the people who you aruge with the most are usually the most beneficial for planning things...It gives everybody a chance to see multiple views.

Believe me, I know the stresses of planning events...I've been greek for years...I hated several of those women when they would speak...But in the end, we always compromised and had a list of ideas.

Riley Craven

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No, its not. Its your own assumptions about what I want/don't want taking root.

I did have a meeting about it. You were there. No one said anything.

That may be your view, but that has not been my experience.

The problem has never been a lack of ideas or what to do. The problem has ALWAYS been execution. Again big difference.

lta_ds_fs7

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No, we had a meet...Not a meeting about the Texas 8.

We need to set up an actual place to meet where the purpose is to discuss the event planning.

Riley Craven

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And how would you propose to involve everyone besides the DFW crew? Are you suggesting that people from OK and SARX etc come down to DFW to meet to discuss a meet?!

As it stands I've already spoken to a number of DFW people about this in person already. You included.

Highspeed

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Was just a thought. And Seatown, thanks for your response and understanding that I was not trying to create a drama section or anything like that and I dont think it has turned into one, was just throwing out a suggestion...and I appreciate you seeing that. I didnt know what has or has not been tried and failed in the past so was just suggesting. Thomas...I wasnt whining or creating bullshit...and yes I am new to this since I have been here only a little over a year. And I wasnt trying to say I was trying to run the Texas 8 or create a meet...just simply a suggestion. Take a deep breath man, calm down and understand we are all cool here when we post and you cannot always understand the tone or manner behind text. All I was saying is that with one or two people planning a state wide meet for the entire state, it seems "corporate" when its a "this is how its gonna be and if you dont like it, then tough." The track thing will be a cool change and I get that. I was merely just offering up a suggestion. I will catch you guys the next time around when you have a meet or when I head to Dallas next

Like you said, we will be having a 3 sisters meet later in the year I believe...correct me if I am wrong? I will definitely be making that one

cornholio135

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OK I have sat by and watched this crap long enough...

Here is my take on it...

First let me say that wife and I have enjoyed each of the Texas 8 meets we have attended. Cudos to the ones with enough time/patience to organize these events.

Clearly the Track Day will not replace the Texas 8 event in Kerrville as stated but is another event open to all who want to attend. If for what ever reason you do not want to attend that is your decision. Last time I checked we are all adults and are capable of making such decesions.

The wife and I will not be attending the Track Day for the reasons of $$$ to go, lack of experience (would rather sigh up for some instructor training first) and the fact of proper car insurance to cover damage while on a track.

Would I discourage anyone from attending the track day? No (see above about being adults)
Would I bash anyone for wanting to attend? No.

If the Track Day event does happen I wish good luck and safe outcome to all that go...

Just let me know when the Texas 8 in Kerrville is happening and I will see yall there...

lta_ds_fs7

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That's an easy one...Teleconference.

Highspeed

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About how to do it Thomas...what would be the harm in trying one more time, now that we have more members and such...to just try a poll next time. If you dont get any feedback or votes, then most definitely just make the event how you guys decide and just run with it that way then. Then at least people cannot say at that point they had no input or suggestions into the matter. Like I said, just throwing out ideas.

To try and fail is upsetting, I understand that...and with this idea failing in the past I see your point. However, if we always gave up on things we fail on the first couple times...there are a lot of things that exist in this world we wouldnt have today Like I said, not flaming anyone or anything like that...these are just thoughts and suggestions being put out and trying to contribute to the group.

Highspeed

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Hey Mike!!! How are ya man?! I apologize if it came across in this subject of me bashing the track day or what not...that was not the intent of me creating this thread...it was to contribute thoughts and ideas for the next meet that would prevent all of this from people including me. I am not trying to bash the track day but yes I have put my .02 cents in on my opinion about ME going. I have wished those going good luck and to be careful. This thread was just to give up some suggestion and comments about planning the next one since I had heard that if anyone had any suggestions to please let them know. Was just trying to contribute

Riley Craven

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But the fact of the matter is that creating these types of threads does create more drama, regardless of your intentions. Had you taken the time to send me a PM I would have been able to explain to you calmly and without reservation why it is the way we do things. Like I said, I don't view these threads as attack on me personally. I do, however, think they are disrespectful to my efforts considering that I've already given you and everyone else and avenue to express concerns/ideas, etc. If I TRULY didn't want to hear from you, or Sheena, or anyone else I would have just told you to shut up and go away. But instead I asked you to send me a PM.

Riley Craven

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Ok, let me work on my word choice for this next post a bit.

There is a difference between failing (trying over 200 times to create a light bulb) and making a mistake.

Doing a poll would be a mistake of epic proportions. This is especially true since no one can follow simple instructions (as evidenced by a non poll thread)

Highspeed

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Thomas...do this for me please and I will start with PM's from now on. Why, if it is not in a disrespectful way, do you take offense with opinions or suggestions being public when I have seen yourself in MANY threads give people your thought and opinions...in public? If it was something I had an issue with you personally on, then yes I would give you the respect and do it in PM...however it was just a suggestion dude...and input. And you have to understand that when people all give their opinions and thoughts, it may be things others haven't thought about but need to or a question/thought/concern that someone else may have had but hadn't mentioned. So posting it up allows everyone to see someone's thought process and help them understand or what not. If it is in a PM to you and you dont understand it the way they do, they still may not get their answer...make sense? Plus, if it is in PM, and you have 10 people asking you the same thing, then you have to answer it 10 times as to where if it is here, then one shot one kill on the answer man. I am not arguing with you so understand that and just know man...we are talking here.

Highspeed

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If I am not mistaken...you can lock a thread to where they can read the information about an event however comments are blocked and all they can do it vote on the poll. Correct me if I am wrong on this...I dont know the limitations of this site. I know in other clubs I used to be in with other cars, they would give out information about the meets and have a poll at the top you could vote on, but comments were disabled.

Riley Craven

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The answer is a simple one: because I've put a lot of time, effort, and money into this event and I've asked that that's how things should be communicated.

Generally speaking, when it comes to me sharing my opinion on threads, if I am not interested in the event I post nothing (the exception being Cars and Coffee since it is SOOO early). Everywhere else people have specifically asked for opinions or it was acceptable to share them.