RX-8 or 2005 Mustang???
05-26-2005, 04:25 PM
#1
Registered User
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 1
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
RX-8 or 2005 Mustang???
Anybody driven both? Opinions on either? I've had a 2005 Mustang on order (no obligation to purchase) for 3 months now with no delivery date in sight. Sick of playing the waiting game and the RX-8 is the other ride I've kept in mind. Is the Mustang worth the wait or does the RX-8 blow it away?
05-26-2005, 04:32 PM
#2
built for sleep
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Fox Valley, WI
Posts: 1
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Two different cars, really. I have a 04' 6-speed RX-8 and love it. A coworker of mine placed his order for a Mustang GT back in late January, and just got his build date of June 6th last week, he was originally told 10 weeks by the dealer, he kept getting the runaround when asking for a build date. I can't wait to drive his so I can compare the two.
05-26-2005, 04:35 PM
#4
I like rusty spoons
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Posts: 1,959
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
By the way, here's a decent comparison of the two:
https://www.rx8club.com/general-automotive-49/drove-new-mustang-61568/
https://www.rx8club.com/general-automotive-49/drove-new-mustang-61568/
05-26-2005, 04:48 PM
#5
CAW CAW
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Toronto
Posts: 741
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I have driven both....
In a nut shell... two very different cars
Both cars are good at achieving what they set out to do.
The 05 Stang is out to get that nostalgic retro appeal dragger and does a very good job of it while still being leaps and bounds ahead of the prior mustang.... its an obvious improvement over the prior years and will definitely win Ford new customers it never had before while still keeping the current ones happy.
The 8 is out to be that sleek sexy lil tight handling yet practical touring car and it does this well with a comfortable zippy ride and 4 useable back seats
The RX8 has considerably less power (especially on the low end) However is more of a handler than the mustang. This is not to say that the mustang is a bad handler because its not... it will actually surprise you in this dept....its just simply not as tossable or nimble as the 8.... bu tthat Mustang power cant be touched.... it will definitely wow you
Exterior wise... totally subjective... I liked both equally in different ways... hard to compare.
The interior of the 8 is nicer, yet again; this is not to say that the 'stang interior is bad... its pretty good when you bear in mind what this car is trying to achieve IMO
Both cars are great and appeal to a different side of the enthusiast in me...
In short.. I chose the Mustang... it just had a slightly better effect on me, especially when taking the $$ savings into account
But to answer your question... is it worth the wait? .... You need to drive both cars for yourself in order to properly answer your own question
In a nut shell... two very different cars
Both cars are good at achieving what they set out to do.
The 05 Stang is out to get that nostalgic retro appeal dragger and does a very good job of it while still being leaps and bounds ahead of the prior mustang.... its an obvious improvement over the prior years and will definitely win Ford new customers it never had before while still keeping the current ones happy.
The 8 is out to be that sleek sexy lil tight handling yet practical touring car and it does this well with a comfortable zippy ride and 4 useable back seats
The RX8 has considerably less power (especially on the low end) However is more of a handler than the mustang. This is not to say that the mustang is a bad handler because its not... it will actually surprise you in this dept....its just simply not as tossable or nimble as the 8.... bu tthat Mustang power cant be touched.... it will definitely wow you
Exterior wise... totally subjective... I liked both equally in different ways... hard to compare.
The interior of the 8 is nicer, yet again; this is not to say that the 'stang interior is bad... its pretty good when you bear in mind what this car is trying to achieve IMO
Both cars are great and appeal to a different side of the enthusiast in me...
In short.. I chose the Mustang... it just had a slightly better effect on me, especially when taking the $$ savings into account
But to answer your question... is it worth the wait? .... You need to drive both cars for yourself in order to properly answer your own question
Last edited by TODreamer; 05-26-2005 at 05:02 PM.
05-26-2005, 05:37 PM
#7
Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,401
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
In about 6-12 months they will have a 120+ day supply of mustangs available and they will start sitting on the lots, then they will come out with incentives and that is the time to buy... Other than that two different animals...
05-26-2005, 05:39 PM
#8
Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Palatine, Illinois
Posts: 86
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I looked at MINI Coopers for almost 2 years
Then planted myself firmly in the Mustang camp for about 5 weeks
The last time I drove an '05 Mustang was at lunch on a Monday.
On a whim I stopped by a Mazda dealer the next day in the morning.
Took an '05 8 for a drive with the family that night.
When I came home, I googled on line discussion forums and found this place.
Thursday morning a local member told me about a local dealer that had '04s on the lot.
Drove that one that night and put my money down to buy it the next day.
Regardless of what you want to say about horsepower versus handling, I felt the 8 was a much more refined and sophisticated car. I used to own a '65 289 and desperately wanted another 'Stang. But, when you took into account the rear doors and the immediate availability and the softness on price and that you could actually test drive a car similar to the one you wanted to buy and the sun roof and the stability control and the fact that there are roof racks available for bikes -- there only seemed to be one correct answer -- zoom zoom zoom. :D
And, what finally sold it for me was the amount of leg room in the back versus a Mustang. Yes, that's not a typo. I'm 6'2". My daughter is a tall 7 year old. I was pretty much hugging the steering wheel in the MINI and had to move the seat up quite a ways on the Mustang for her to fit back there. But, I can have my seat all the way back in the 8 and the back of my seat is still about an inch from her knees. Now THAT I thought was cool!
I think I read somewhere before I got to this forum that it would cost as much to get the horsepower of the 8 up to the 'Stang's 300 bhp as it would cost to get the 'Stang to handle as well as the 8. That's a blanket statement I agree with from having driven both of them.
So, I think you have 4 questions to ask yourself:
1) How soon do you want it?
2) Does the thought of paying sticker upset you?
3) Which is more imporant
a) horsepower?
b) or handling?
The funny thing is, I think the fuel mileage on the GT 5 speed is better than that 8.
Then planted myself firmly in the Mustang camp for about 5 weeks
The last time I drove an '05 Mustang was at lunch on a Monday.
On a whim I stopped by a Mazda dealer the next day in the morning.
Took an '05 8 for a drive with the family that night.
When I came home, I googled on line discussion forums and found this place.
Thursday morning a local member told me about a local dealer that had '04s on the lot.
Drove that one that night and put my money down to buy it the next day.
Regardless of what you want to say about horsepower versus handling, I felt the 8 was a much more refined and sophisticated car. I used to own a '65 289 and desperately wanted another 'Stang. But, when you took into account the rear doors and the immediate availability and the softness on price and that you could actually test drive a car similar to the one you wanted to buy and the sun roof and the stability control and the fact that there are roof racks available for bikes -- there only seemed to be one correct answer -- zoom zoom zoom. :D
And, what finally sold it for me was the amount of leg room in the back versus a Mustang. Yes, that's not a typo. I'm 6'2". My daughter is a tall 7 year old. I was pretty much hugging the steering wheel in the MINI and had to move the seat up quite a ways on the Mustang for her to fit back there. But, I can have my seat all the way back in the 8 and the back of my seat is still about an inch from her knees. Now THAT I thought was cool!
I think I read somewhere before I got to this forum that it would cost as much to get the horsepower of the 8 up to the 'Stang's 300 bhp as it would cost to get the 'Stang to handle as well as the 8. That's a blanket statement I agree with from having driven both of them.
So, I think you have 4 questions to ask yourself:
1) How soon do you want it?
2) Does the thought of paying sticker upset you?
3) Which is more imporant
a) horsepower?
b) or handling?
The funny thing is, I think the fuel mileage on the GT 5 speed is better than that 8.
05-26-2005, 05:42 PM
#9
Registered
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 299
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Dont forget the mustang is FAST!
0 to 100Mph is 13.2seconds
The Rx8 is alot slower at
0 to 100Mph in 15.9Seconds
If youre looking for Power, and like the looks of the mustang. Get the mustang!
0 to 100Mph is 13.2seconds
The Rx8 is alot slower at
0 to 100Mph in 15.9Seconds
If youre looking for Power, and like the looks of the mustang. Get the mustang!
05-26-2005, 05:56 PM
#10
幹他媽!
Well, coming from a family that's owned many types of cars (Fords, Hondas, Toyotas, BMW's etc.) over the years (sedans, mini-vans, suv's), my opinion is that, overall, Ford cars fall apart much sooner than their Japanese or European counterparts. And, Ford cars seem to have a lot more minor problems (electrical etc.) as they age.
My current boss is originally from Detroit and worked at Ford for 10 years and has owned many Ford vehicles himself. And, he swears that he will never in this lifetime buy another piece-of-**** Ford made by lazy-*** American auto-workers- which he has seen & experienced first-hand how crappy their attitudes are, he says. (He's caucasion American too, so no racial bias here.) So, he said no matter how tempting or sexy the mustang looks- which it does look very nice- he says it's not worth the headache of dealing w/ the problems Ford cars have as they age...
Ultimately, you have to drive both & decide for yourself, of course.
D =)
My current boss is originally from Detroit and worked at Ford for 10 years and has owned many Ford vehicles himself. And, he swears that he will never in this lifetime buy another piece-of-**** Ford made by lazy-*** American auto-workers- which he has seen & experienced first-hand how crappy their attitudes are, he says. (He's caucasion American too, so no racial bias here.) So, he said no matter how tempting or sexy the mustang looks- which it does look very nice- he says it's not worth the headache of dealing w/ the problems Ford cars have as they age...
Ultimately, you have to drive both & decide for yourself, of course.
D =)
05-26-2005, 06:14 PM
#11
Has the whole shit.
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Orlando, FL
Posts: 1,772
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Good points all around. One problem I would personally have with the Mustang (and why I never looked at the Stang in the first place) is the fact that rental fleets are going to go crazy with these things. In fact, I'm already starting to see rental Mustangs around Sarasota (they're rare, but they exist.), so it's only going to get worse as the inital demand drops off. This might make resale values a problem.
Overall, I would choose the 8 since it has better handling, practicality, interior, looks and relaibility (probably). The only things that the Mustang really impresses me with are the power and possibly the value, depending on how you would option up the cars.
That being said, most people would take power even if it meant a slight loss in handling and practicality. Personally, being a road racing/autocross enthusiast, I was drawn to the handling of the 8. However, you may be turned off by the relative lack of power in the 8.
In the end, you're just going to have to drive both cars and find out for yourself.
Overall, I would choose the 8 since it has better handling, practicality, interior, looks and relaibility (probably). The only things that the Mustang really impresses me with are the power and possibly the value, depending on how you would option up the cars.
That being said, most people would take power even if it meant a slight loss in handling and practicality. Personally, being a road racing/autocross enthusiast, I was drawn to the handling of the 8. However, you may be turned off by the relative lack of power in the 8.
In the end, you're just going to have to drive both cars and find out for yourself.
05-26-2005, 08:46 PM
#12
CAW CAW
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Toronto
Posts: 741
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
see... I chose the mustang but that doesnt mean I dont have some reservations about it.
As detrich said... theres also the quality thing.... it makes me a little jittery
How can I explain this
Ah yes...
Its like sex! Guys, ever have a girl that is so damn sexy it makes you hard as a rock just to think about it? BUT word on the street is shes been around and may possibly have "something"... You wanna hit it so bad and granted you have absolutely no proof that she has anything. Further, she seems perfectly fine to you and you know that you cant always beleive everything you hear... especially rumours... yet on the other hand, you can never be too sure.
Sure you could pass it up and go with some other girl you've heard psoitive things about, but she doesnt quite do it for you as much as the other one and whos to say you'd be any safer.
Whats a man to do?
Thats How I feel about going with the mustang :D
As detrich said... theres also the quality thing.... it makes me a little jittery
How can I explain this
Ah yes...
Its like sex! Guys, ever have a girl that is so damn sexy it makes you hard as a rock just to think about it? BUT word on the street is shes been around and may possibly have "something"... You wanna hit it so bad and granted you have absolutely no proof that she has anything. Further, she seems perfectly fine to you and you know that you cant always beleive everything you hear... especially rumours... yet on the other hand, you can never be too sure.
Sure you could pass it up and go with some other girl you've heard psoitive things about, but she doesnt quite do it for you as much as the other one and whos to say you'd be any safer.
Whats a man to do?
Thats How I feel about going with the mustang :D
Last edited by TODreamer; 05-26-2005 at 08:49 PM.
05-26-2005, 09:59 PM
#14
Registered User
I keep going back to that girl from time to time . . that could get expensive with the stang, think i will stick to my 8 and at least i will have extra money for penicylian! haha
05-26-2005, 10:39 PM
#15
Stuck in a love triangle
The Mustang GT and the RX-8 also have similar mileage. GT gets 17mpg in the city and 25 highway. The GT is also cheaper.
No matter how you look at it, the GT has got the RX-8 by the ***** in terms of acceleration. I haven't driven one personally, but it reaches 60 in 5.2 seconds. If I'm not mistaken, that's how long it takes the BMW M3 w/SMG to get to 60. That's a lot of power you get for under $30,000. Quite a deal. Lots of low torque too...unlike the RX-8...a car you have to work at to get some power out of it.
RX-8 takes the cake in handling, and while the GT looks good in certain colors, I still say the RX-8 is more appealing to the eye.
Though the only down side is that a 4.6 liter V8 will definitely be more expensive to insure than a 1.3 liter rotary.
Basically the way I see it, the RX-8 is a car for someone that loves cars. Someone who really enjoys driving and has the patience to put up with its differences, like building up revs, redlining at 9000 RPM, letting the engine warm up a little before you take off...its a very unique vehicle. It's not going to push you back into your seat when you gun it, and if you want a decent 0-60 time you're going to have to force it out of the engine with a painful launch. This car has lots of technicalities that will take some patience on your part to enjoy, but once you get used to them, it's a blast to drive, and there isn't much like it out there.
The 2005 Mustang GT, on the other hand, is just like any other car with a monster cylinder engine. You give it gas....and it takes off. Quick and simple. Nothing easier than that. I mean who wouldn't love having 320 pounds per foot of torque at their disposal? It'll push you back in your seat every time you gun the bitch too. It has no impressive redline since its torquey right from the get go, so there's no need to keep the revs high. Just like most cars.
Which one do you see yourself enjoying more?
No matter how you look at it, the GT has got the RX-8 by the ***** in terms of acceleration. I haven't driven one personally, but it reaches 60 in 5.2 seconds. If I'm not mistaken, that's how long it takes the BMW M3 w/SMG to get to 60. That's a lot of power you get for under $30,000. Quite a deal. Lots of low torque too...unlike the RX-8...a car you have to work at to get some power out of it.
RX-8 takes the cake in handling, and while the GT looks good in certain colors, I still say the RX-8 is more appealing to the eye.
Though the only down side is that a 4.6 liter V8 will definitely be more expensive to insure than a 1.3 liter rotary.
Basically the way I see it, the RX-8 is a car for someone that loves cars. Someone who really enjoys driving and has the patience to put up with its differences, like building up revs, redlining at 9000 RPM, letting the engine warm up a little before you take off...its a very unique vehicle. It's not going to push you back into your seat when you gun it, and if you want a decent 0-60 time you're going to have to force it out of the engine with a painful launch. This car has lots of technicalities that will take some patience on your part to enjoy, but once you get used to them, it's a blast to drive, and there isn't much like it out there.
The 2005 Mustang GT, on the other hand, is just like any other car with a monster cylinder engine. You give it gas....and it takes off. Quick and simple. Nothing easier than that. I mean who wouldn't love having 320 pounds per foot of torque at their disposal? It'll push you back in your seat every time you gun the bitch too. It has no impressive redline since its torquey right from the get go, so there's no need to keep the revs high. Just like most cars.
Which one do you see yourself enjoying more?
05-26-2005, 10:58 PM
#16
Youre dangerous.. *CHOMP*
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Charleston, SC
Posts: 62
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
The problem with GT's is that you have to pay MSRP right now. I would have bought one for invoice if that was possible but they were selling the cars 3 weeks in advance for sticker. Insane..
So I got a leftover 04 rx8 with 27 miles and many thousands under invoice.. with GT, leather, nav, LSD. IT was a few thousand less than the avg option mustang so I'm not missing the torque..
So I got a leftover 04 rx8 with 27 miles and many thousands under invoice.. with GT, leather, nav, LSD. IT was a few thousand less than the avg option mustang so I'm not missing the torque..
05-27-2005, 12:56 AM
#18
Registered
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Portland, Oregon USA
Posts: 18
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
We just traded our '98 Mustang GT in for an '05 RX8. Couldn't stand the Mustang anymore, the biggest complaint was the *grunt!* legwork it took to operate the clutch.
We got a BMW 330i 2 years ago, and alongside the Mustang it just further accentuated how much *work* it took to drive the thing. Literally, after getting used to the BMW, we'd get leg-cramps driving the Mustang.
Then around a year ago our 9 year old started complaining about the legroom in the back seat.
The RX8 seems to have cured both those problems, and I can't see the RX8 wearing on us over the years like the Mustang did. The clutch is better than the BMW's in my opinion, just as light with a shorter throw. The gearbox is far better as well.
I haven't been in an '05 mustang, but I've been in an '03... and it felt pretty similar to our '98.
So yeah - you might go for the throaty-roar and the thrill of the 0-60 times on the freeway on-ramps, but will it be worth the daily grind in the long run?
We got a BMW 330i 2 years ago, and alongside the Mustang it just further accentuated how much *work* it took to drive the thing. Literally, after getting used to the BMW, we'd get leg-cramps driving the Mustang.
Then around a year ago our 9 year old started complaining about the legroom in the back seat.
The RX8 seems to have cured both those problems, and I can't see the RX8 wearing on us over the years like the Mustang did. The clutch is better than the BMW's in my opinion, just as light with a shorter throw. The gearbox is far better as well.
I haven't been in an '05 mustang, but I've been in an '03... and it felt pretty similar to our '98.
So yeah - you might go for the throaty-roar and the thrill of the 0-60 times on the freeway on-ramps, but will it be worth the daily grind in the long run?
05-27-2005, 06:49 AM
#19
CAW CAW
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Toronto
Posts: 741
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by kenbob
We just traded our '98 Mustang GT in for an '05 RX8. Couldn't stand the Mustang anymore, the biggest complaint was the *grunt!* legwork it took to operate the clutch.
We got a BMW 330i 2 years ago, and alongside the Mustang it just further accentuated how much *work* it took to drive the thing. Literally, after getting used to the BMW, we'd get leg-cramps driving the Mustang.
Then around a year ago our 9 year old started complaining about the legroom in the back seat.
The RX8 seems to have cured both those problems, and I can't see the RX8 wearing on us over the years like the Mustang did. The clutch is better than the BMW's in my opinion, just as light with a shorter throw. The gearbox is far better as well.
I haven't been in an '05 mustang, but I've been in an '03... and it felt pretty similar to our '98.
So yeah - you might go for the throaty-roar and the thrill of the 0-60 times on the freeway on-ramps, but will it be worth the daily grind in the long run?
We got a BMW 330i 2 years ago, and alongside the Mustang it just further accentuated how much *work* it took to drive the thing. Literally, after getting used to the BMW, we'd get leg-cramps driving the Mustang.
Then around a year ago our 9 year old started complaining about the legroom in the back seat.
The RX8 seems to have cured both those problems, and I can't see the RX8 wearing on us over the years like the Mustang did. The clutch is better than the BMW's in my opinion, just as light with a shorter throw. The gearbox is far better as well.
I haven't been in an '05 mustang, but I've been in an '03... and it felt pretty similar to our '98.
So yeah - you might go for the throaty-roar and the thrill of the 0-60 times on the freeway on-ramps, but will it be worth the daily grind in the long run?
The 05 mustang is leaps and bounds over the prior years... its almost like a totally different car in some respects... the clutch being one of them... the clutch on the 05 feels like the clutch on my current Honda Accord... which is good and can definitely do the dailyrind with no damage to the left legt :D . Mind you i didnt have it all day to drive around.
The shift to be honest could be a little shorter... its not bad but definitely room for improvement.
Trust me.. go drive the 05 stang... you still may not want the car but you'll see for your self how different it is.. and you'll have fun in the process.
05-27-2005, 06:58 AM
#20
Humpin legs and takin nam
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Clearwater, Fl
Posts: 2,433
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Hmm wont most guys go for the sexy pettit asian who does what she's told, than the fat pig american who's been around and wears clothes from the 60's and fights back?
(just using his analogy, i don't find asian girls attractive =) )
(just using his analogy, i don't find asian girls attractive =) )
Originally Posted by TODreamer
see... I chose the mustang but that doesnt mean I dont have some reservations about it.
As detrich said... theres also the quality thing.... it makes me a little jittery
How can I explain this
Ah yes...
Its like sex! Guys, ever have a girl that is so damn sexy it makes you hard as a rock just to think about it? BUT word on the street is shes been around and may possibly have "something"... You wanna hit it so bad and granted you have absolutely no proof that she has anything. Further, she seems perfectly fine to you and you know that you cant always beleive everything you hear... especially rumours... yet on the other hand, you can never be too sure.
Sure you could pass it up and go with some other girl you've heard psoitive things about, but she doesnt quite do it for you as much as the other one and whos to say you'd be any safer.
Whats a man to do?
Thats How I feel about going with the mustang :D
As detrich said... theres also the quality thing.... it makes me a little jittery
How can I explain this
Ah yes...
Its like sex! Guys, ever have a girl that is so damn sexy it makes you hard as a rock just to think about it? BUT word on the street is shes been around and may possibly have "something"... You wanna hit it so bad and granted you have absolutely no proof that she has anything. Further, she seems perfectly fine to you and you know that you cant always beleive everything you hear... especially rumours... yet on the other hand, you can never be too sure.
Sure you could pass it up and go with some other girl you've heard psoitive things about, but she doesnt quite do it for you as much as the other one and whos to say you'd be any safer.
Whats a man to do?
Thats How I feel about going with the mustang :D
05-27-2005, 07:44 AM
#21
CAW CAW
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Toronto
Posts: 741
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by guy321
Hmm wont most guys go for the sexy pettit asian who does what she's told, than the fat pig american who's been around and wears clothes from the 60's and fights back?
(just using his analogy, i don't find asian girls attractive =) )
(just using his analogy, i don't find asian girls attractive =) )
05-27-2005, 08:58 AM
#22
Registered User
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 174
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by TODreamer
Ummm yeah but when your a guy like me whos practically went on a tour of all of asia when it comes to women... you sometimes get a hankering for a that white girl with the feminine fat... and when you get it its ooooh so good. :D ... like Mozzarella cheese! lol
Yea but it's only a good quick fix...after that you're going back to the hot little asian...once in a while when you get the urge you go over to the rental agency and rent a fat pig
05-27-2005, 09:02 AM
#23
CAW CAW
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Toronto
Posts: 741
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by Niro
Yea but it's only a good quick fix...after that you're going back to the hot little asian...
Last edited by TODreamer; 05-27-2005 at 09:04 AM.
05-27-2005, 09:16 AM
#24
Banned
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 438
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Also keep in mind that some people chose the 8 over the Stang like myself due to not wanting a cookie cutter car. I think the Mustang is awesome, however thinking how many will be on the road in a year made my decision. I just don't want to drive a vehicle where you see 200 or so a day. 8s are getting more plentiful but they will never approach the population of Mustangs. The savings in insurance is an added plus.
05-27-2005, 09:23 AM
#25
Screw gas mileage
On MSN autos, there's a lot of user complaints about the build quality....far more than there are with the 8. Another on this topic, if you search autotrader for used cars, you'll come up with about as many used mustangs already as there are used 8's. I think a lot of people were buying them with sky high expectations, but then realized it's still a Ford.
