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Look at all the ND's landing in US, isn't this exciting..!
First choice colour Soul Red, (being done to death), this reminds me (almost) of the NA first release, only red, white and blue were available for the first few years.
Where is the POW colour?
First choice colour Soul Red, (being done to death), this reminds me (almost) of the NA first release, only red, white and blue were available for the first few years.
Where is the POW colour?
in my opinion actual color palette lacks of a bright green, or a yellow o a more intriguing blue (blue reflex mica is not so good on a ND).
i think that will be addressed in MY17 and/or special editions.
in my opinion actual color palette lacks of a bright green, or a yellow o a more intriguing blue (blue reflex mica is not so good on a ND).
i think that will be addressed in MY17 and/or special editions.
Agree M8, but at a new car launch, I love the Soul Red, but Mazda are doing it to death, every new car at (launch) is Soul Red (with the extra SR price for the privilege).
The ND (any MX-5) is supposed to be different, not having a totally different colour palette IMO is a mistake.
"Special Editions" there will be many of those to come!
I already know it handles no better than a NC as it is basically the same suspension design, the engine has less power (slightly), but the car is lighter, so very little improvements there.
Frankly I believe there is not enough 'special' in this ND, yes the updated electronics are great (if you want them), but, I don't know, I have to wait, I am just not that excited about it....yet.
Agree M8, but at a new car launch, I love the Soul Red, but Mazda are doing it to death, every new car at (launch) is Soul Red (with the extra SR price for the privilege).
The ND (any MX-5) is supposed to be different, not having a totally different colour palette IMO is a mistake.
"Special Editions" there will be many of those to come!
I already know it handles no better than a NC as it is basically the same suspension design, the engine has less power (slightly), but the car is lighter, so very little improvements there.
Frankly I believe there is not enough 'special' in this ND, yes the updated electronics are great (if you want them), but, I don't know, I have to wait, I am just not that excited about it....yet.
Well Ash
At least Mazda pricing is much much better this time here in Aus.
comparing to the US pricing, still room to go, but it's much better than the NC pricewise at least. Feel sorry for the current NC owners though, imaging you wanna off load one now.
We don't really know what the ND 2.0 will be here, and don't forget this is not a PRHT, which here added about $4000, so take that off and add on the 2.0 on the 1.5 price, I am thinking the 2.0 ND Softies will be about $8K cheaper than the NC Softie 2.0 (when it was available years ago in Oz), the last few years only the PRHT were available for OZ.
So we are not comparing exact same models...now when the ND MRHT comes out in 2017-18, it will be more $$'s than a sofite, Mazda are still having 'perfection' issues with MRHT.
And apart from the limited SR NC, most NC owner's here wont have that much of a hit as I don't see many late model trade ins for the ND, beside sales of NC's in last 5 years were very small....still a hit.
Here we go, just after writing the post above I get an alert and here it is, I am glad Wheels thinks like I do on some things....not far off with my pricing guesses either
Interesting according to WHEELS Mag in OZ the 2.0 SA-G in the MX-5 makes Max Power @ 900 RPM lower than the NC Ford/MZR non DI engine with it's forged Crankshaft and Rods (MT Only).
Why has Mazda not beefed up this engine?, I have not given it a thorough parts comparison between the 2.0 SA-G in an ND to the SA-G 2.0 in BM Mazda 3....?
BTW, With an annual Year-To-Date (YTD) market share of 9.8 per cent, Mazda Australia's record sales month gave it a 9.2 per cent market share for June 2015. It remains Australia's second most popular manufacturer and the country's leading full-line importer.
Look out Toyota, Mazda is coming to get you and be #1, astonishing!.
Why has Mazda not beefed up this engine?, I have not given it a thorough parts comparison between the 2.0 SA-G in an ND to the SA-G 2.0 in BM Mazda 3....?
Yeah, could be M8, I guess we will have to wait and see if this engine pushes out any conrods like MT NC1's did (as they were basically a stock standard MZR 2.0 used in a MZ3, until NC2 in 2009).
Just did some parts checking, the 2.0 SKYACTIV Engine in the ND MX-5 Manual Transmission uses the exact same Crankshaft, Pistons, Rods, Rings as the FWD 2.0 SA-G used in a CX-3 or Mazda 3.
why is there no yellow? they used to always offer a yellow on sports cars when the new version launched
I really want the ND to be a success, but there is just no 'out of the ball park' change to this model.
For Mazda to actually first consider only ever using the small 1.5 engine option (according to Wheels Mag) like the original 1.6 in the NA of 1989, then it shows where their head is/was at, until Mazda USA said it Must have a 2.0.
And I Totally understand what the MX-5 is (I own one), but for an NC owner, all I see to an outlay is a new body, slightly lighter (than a PRHT), new electronics and apparently horrible seats after 60 minutes of use (Mazda took away metal seat springs, only all foam now), less security with the fabric only soft top.
Unfortunately this chassis has not been engineered for more HP, so we will never see a larger or more powerful version, unless they invest big dollars or use a future RX-?.
I believe this is a huge mistake in ND, they could have made the 2.5 option available.
As I have just proven the 2.0 in the ND is nothing special.
Yes there will be a boost in sales numbers for about 2 years and will taper off to only being small unit sales and the never ending "Special Editions" of paint colours and nick knacks.
I want that itchy nuts factor, and this does not do it for me, perhaps I am getting too old?.
I already know it handles no better than a NC as it is basically the same suspension design, the engine has less power (slightly), but the car is lighter, so very little improvements
IMO you need to reassess the situation. It's an NC with a 230 lb weight loss. All else being equal, the lighter car corners faster. Plus it has better better performance straight line. Overall it's a better performing car than the NC.
If I were you I'd pay for a new ND by cancelling my trip to Egypt
IMO you need to reassess the situation. It's an NC with a 230 lb weight loss. All else being equal, the lighter car corners faster. Plus it has better better performance straight line. Overall it's a better performing car than the NC.
If I were you I'd pay for a new ND by cancelling my trip to Egypt
How do you know I was going to Egypt!!
Anyway, lets not confuse Mazda publicity or journalists with actual numbers...
I never believed either until it's officially posted and after the car is made for actual sale.
230 lbs. weight loss is wrong....when comparing a 2015 NC MT Softie (Grand Touring) with ND MT (spec?), there is actually 179 lbs. difference or weight loss.
Comparing a top spec NC MT PRHT to a ND MT Softie there is 261 lbs. difference.
So it is not exactly apples with apples, until a HT in ND is made.
I expect once the full range of ND and Specs are officially listed that the gap will narrow even more between GT NC and a ?? ND, Soft Top.
A base mode NC MT Softie is 148 lbs. heavier (IF the 2332 lbs. MT ND is a base model?)..
Also checked the Valve Train on this ND 2.0 and it is exact same as 2.0 SA-G Mazda CX-3 and Mazda 3, except the Exhaust Camshaft which is ND specific,
all the other bits (Inlet camshaft, all valves, springs, timing chain, EVVT units) are stock standard SA-G 2.0.
IMO this is why the RPM is lower in ND (for engine reliability, and yes the SA-G has a longer stroke than MZR).
I was going to write 150 - 250 lbs, so valid point. Regardless, it's still faster cornering or straightline.
The issue with a 2.5L is that everyghing will need to be beefed up & heavier, which takes them away from the lightweight premise. Being that the ND is the fastest Miata ever produced it seems like the 2.0 was the proper choice to achieve their objective.
There is stuff all difference between the two (<180 lbs.), power to weight ratio (NC and ND Soft Top), in fact the NC Soft Top has more power to weight (Mazda USA weight)
NC 0.665073
ND 0.664665
Meanwhile in the real world...
I weigh 76 kilo's you weigh ??, say 85? (dunno), but any weight benefit is a moot point, depends who 'drives' the car and own body weight, if you really want to be pedantic (oh you do), sorry I forgot.
What was the body weight of the R&T operator when testing on track of NC back whenever, to the ND, same driver ?
And I have posted before that Mazda has not engineered this car to take any more HP (since confirmed by ND product developer Yamamoto while in Oz), (without major add on parts changes and tooling costs) which IMO is a mistake, or perhaps goes to prove finally what they (Mazda) are not going to do in the future of RWD, who knows?
The real world realizes that power to weight is an area under the time curve relationship, not a peak number that only exists for a fraction of a second. The same NC soft top that they weighed was 1/2 second slower 0 - 60 than the ND test. I know that it takes some considerable NC mods to record the ND acceleration times being reported by numerous sources not written by me. Unless you can change your weight based on which car your in then the point is moot. Faster is faster, but feel free to continue arguing that it's not
Me neither, they all say that with every iteration, the differences this time are not that great, uses same suspension as NC, it not quite a 50:50 balance as a lot of weight has been taken out of back end and engine (ND uses a cast crank and rods, not forged)...but Mazda did moved the ND engine a little further back to try and compensate/balance (5 mm).
Gearbox is much smaller and lighter, basically back to the old M setup.
It is not as light as what they claimed it was 'going to be', it was going to come in 1000 kg (2200 lbs), the 1.5 might get closer to that, I will post when I actually drive and compare in a few months.
I don't always believe what 'a' tester says from a paid motoring magazine, as they get it wrong so many times.
Like C&D talking/reviewing the new CX-3 in the USA, and comparing everything about it to the Mazda 3, it has next to nothing in common with the 3 (apart from the same 2.0 used in the 3 and MX-5 and 3 brakes (for the larger HP engine)), but the CX-3 is a all new DJ Mazda 2 derivative/platform, C&D don't even mention this and keep referring to the 3.
Interior dimensions and size is a Mazda 2 not 3.
Take a look of the CX-3 1.5 diesel video here.
IMO the 1.5 ND might just sell better here in Oz than the 2.0 as it is so much cheaper, until they bring out the hardtop...all good.
07-01-2015, 07:20 AM
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