Official 2016 ND Mazda MX-5 Miata audio teaser and reveal date.
09-09-2014, 12:56 AM
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09-10-2014, 07:39 AM
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the hirosima-builded car will be probably Fiat or Abarth badged and 1.4 turbo (this thing about the engine is sure)
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09-17-2014, 04:52 PM
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What do you guys think about the 130 hp engine. I think it's too low regardless of the weight savings.
Report: 2016 Mazda MX-5 Miata Base Engine Has 130 HP
Report: 2016 Mazda MX-5 Miata Base Engine Has 130 HP
09-18-2014, 09:04 AM
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Anyone that thinks it's appropriate to compare the US spec 2.0L NC to the JDM spec 1.5L ND is retarded. ESPECIALLY when we know direct from Mazda that A) there is a 2.0L option for the ND, and B) that Mazda has already stated that there won't be a power drop from the NC.
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02-04-2015, 10:47 AM
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Disappointing. This car would be awesome with 275 hp.
2016 Mazda MX-5 Officially Makes 155 HP
2016 Mazda MX-5 Officially Makes 155 HP » AutoGuide.com News
Official numbers are here for the new 2016 Mazda MX-5.
The small lightweight roadster will put out 155 hp and 148 lb-ft of torque thanks to its 2.0-liter SkyActiv four-cylinder engine. In other parts of the world, a smaller 1.5-liter four-cylinder engine is also available with 129 hp and 110 lb-ft of torque.
Official weights for the car are still unreleased, but Mazda has said that the new car is about 220 pounds lighter than its predecessor, which means it will have a better power-to-weight ratio despite making less power than the previous car.
2016 Mazda MX-5 Officially Makes 155 HP
2016 Mazda MX-5 Officially Makes 155 HP » AutoGuide.com News
Official numbers are here for the new 2016 Mazda MX-5.
The small lightweight roadster will put out 155 hp and 148 lb-ft of torque thanks to its 2.0-liter SkyActiv four-cylinder engine. In other parts of the world, a smaller 1.5-liter four-cylinder engine is also available with 129 hp and 110 lb-ft of torque.
Official weights for the car are still unreleased, but Mazda has said that the new car is about 220 pounds lighter than its predecessor, which means it will have a better power-to-weight ratio despite making less power than the previous car.
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There is something un-released still. That isn't the whole story.
Even if it was, it will still be noticeably faster than the NC because of the significantly improved torque profile in low and medium range. The torque to weight in low RPM is much higher, the peak power to weight is still better, though not by much.
However, either ...
A) this is the first Miata ever released that can safely run on 87octane (not likely) and there can be greater power gains by tuning for 91/93
B) the engine was deliberately crippled in a way that the aftermarket can easily extract more power, like intake/exhaust restriction
C) the engine's compression was lowered, making forced induction an easier prospect
I believe Mazda could release it at 155/148, however gaining 1,000rpm in revs and adding premium keeps the same peak power and drops torque by 2? That is completely inconsistent from a mechanical/tuning perspective.
There is more to the story that Mazda hasn't released yet.
It might even be that they took a page from the FT86 twins and release it with low power (for cheaper MSRP, warranty claims, etc...) and is letting the aftermarket increase the power at their own expense.
It's also possible that Mazda is deliberately sandbagging the number, OR that the drivetrain loss is so little that the whp is actually greater than the NC's.
Lots of ways to look at it still, no point in getting fixated on a single number.
Even if it was, it will still be noticeably faster than the NC because of the significantly improved torque profile in low and medium range. The torque to weight in low RPM is much higher, the peak power to weight is still better, though not by much.
However, either ...
A) this is the first Miata ever released that can safely run on 87octane (not likely) and there can be greater power gains by tuning for 91/93
B) the engine was deliberately crippled in a way that the aftermarket can easily extract more power, like intake/exhaust restriction
C) the engine's compression was lowered, making forced induction an easier prospect
I believe Mazda could release it at 155/148, however gaining 1,000rpm in revs and adding premium keeps the same peak power and drops torque by 2? That is completely inconsistent from a mechanical/tuning perspective.
There is more to the story that Mazda hasn't released yet.
It might even be that they took a page from the FT86 twins and release it with low power (for cheaper MSRP, warranty claims, etc...) and is letting the aftermarket increase the power at their own expense.
It's also possible that Mazda is deliberately sandbagging the number, OR that the drivetrain loss is so little that the whp is actually greater than the NC's.
Lots of ways to look at it still, no point in getting fixated on a single number.
02-04-2015, 12:43 PM
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This is Mazda's MO. Lowout in a good looking car that handles well. Not sure anyone will care what the rest of the story is. Their philosophical approach to power output is concerning. They do not give us enough power. They do not produce a drivetrain that is engineered to handle more power. They sell "Zoom-Zoom". I want my "Zoom-Zoom"!
02-04-2015, 01:10 PM
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There are actually quite a few people on Miata.net that are complaining that Mazda isn't giving the US the 1.5L option, because to them, it's far closer to the original 1.6L.
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That's a valid point, but then it wouldn't be a "Miata" any more. The demographic for the Evo is definitely different than it will be when Mitsubishi makes it into an SUV, for example, but is it really an 'Evo' any more? Nope.
Adding much power does mean that there is an identity change.
It would be better for them to leave the MX-5 alone and make an RX-5
Adding much power does mean that there is an identity change.
It would be better for them to leave the MX-5 alone and make an RX-5
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275?
For a 2,300lb car?
Rather unrealistic.
That's 8.36lb per hp, better than the Mustang GT. It would be priced even higher. $40k? Also very un-Miata.
The 'fastest' Miata ever produced was the MSM at 15.1lbs per hp, so you are talking about doubling it?
Driving one of those MSMs at ~270hp (~230whp) and 2,490lbs, I can tell you that it significantly alters the Miata's characteristics, and it rapidly becomes 'unfun' in the Miata's natural environment. When I want to go hit the curvy mountain roads, I drop the boost all the way down. Short wheel base and bad aero are only the two biggest problems. It does better on track because even the sharpest track turns are far safer than the average mountain road.
Of course, adding that much power would raise the weight significantly as the drivetrain would have to substantially strengthen to hold it all (warranty concerns), which would in turn hurt the P/W. Significantly un-Mazda like.
No, 275 is not only unrealistic, it is undesireable for a production car. I'd rather buy a $25,000 car and then take it to 275 than to have to spend $40,000 for the car in the first place that has no business being called by the same name any more.
For a 2,300lb car?
Rather unrealistic.
That's 8.36lb per hp, better than the Mustang GT. It would be priced even higher. $40k? Also very un-Miata.
The 'fastest' Miata ever produced was the MSM at 15.1lbs per hp, so you are talking about doubling it?
Driving one of those MSMs at ~270hp (~230whp) and 2,490lbs, I can tell you that it significantly alters the Miata's characteristics, and it rapidly becomes 'unfun' in the Miata's natural environment. When I want to go hit the curvy mountain roads, I drop the boost all the way down. Short wheel base and bad aero are only the two biggest problems. It does better on track because even the sharpest track turns are far safer than the average mountain road.
Of course, adding that much power would raise the weight significantly as the drivetrain would have to substantially strengthen to hold it all (warranty concerns), which would in turn hurt the P/W. Significantly un-Mazda like.
No, 275 is not only unrealistic, it is undesireable for a production car. I'd rather buy a $25,000 car and then take it to 275 than to have to spend $40,000 for the car in the first place that has no business being called by the same name any more.
02-06-2015, 10:20 PM
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I agree with Pearl. These are street cars, not track cars. Even the RX-8, with its supposedly low output, has plenty of power enough to have scared the **** out of me on the road a couple of times. Public roads are jusy not built for high speeds.
And making them proper track cars would add to the cost significantly.
And making them proper track cars would add to the cost significantly.
02-07-2015, 06:33 AM
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Speaking of which
The 2016 Mazda MX-5 Miata Cup Car revealed at SEMA
Won't debut until 2016 though ...
IMO 155/148 in a 2200 lb car sounds like fun. Most people don't realize how much better a light car will run through the twisties ...
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The 2016 Mazda MX-5 Miata Cup Car revealed at SEMA
Won't debut until 2016 though ...
IMO 155/148 in a 2200 lb car sounds like fun. Most people don't realize how much better a light car will run through the twisties ...
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