bascho

Why is it the Mazda is ok with the RX8 (supposed halo car) being the 3rd fastest product they have? Now the MS6 and MS3 are going to be more powerful/faster cars then the RX8......that is pathetic.

LostAngel

The only thing I can think of is that due to the few problems the rx-8 has had..they are afraid to release a mazdaspeed version in the US...

Steiner

I know it's blasphemy to even consider it, but I think it would be sorta cool if the RX-8 was released in a limited production trim (maybe an MS8.5) sporting that 2.3L turbo in the MS3 and MS6. It would be a 350Z eater and production costs would be the same, if not less.

bascho

Not a bad idea.....it could even be called an MX8 for that matter.....of course, I'm not one of the 'rotary rules' crowd. I am even considering a V8 swap into the 8 if I keep it. I would love to hang with a C6 Vette at stop lights (I never go to tracks, so I am not that worried about the weight distribution).

Tirminyl

Yeah, the MS3 is what the MSP should have been!

Things like the MS3 and MS6 makes you wonder...

mysql101

number racers always lose in the end.

brillo

A FWD 260hp car is not going to be as fast as you think, although just squirting around town the car will have some impressive torque.

I still think Mazda is going to release a MS8 at some point, what I don't get is why they seem to claim issues with FI.

The supercharged 8 concept would be perfect, and very reliable. Mazda seems really gun shy after the FD's issues.

The funny thing is, the MS8 with a Supercharger would be rated at like 270hp, but the Torque jump would be huge. I'm sure people would be bitching at why its not pushing 300hp.

Mugatu

iTrader: (1)

if it matters that much to you, get rid of the 8 and buy a mazdaspeed 3.

Tirminyl

It should be quicker than the SRT4...but we don't know the weight on this thing.

I think a SC 8 would be perfect. It would not matter if it didn't hit 300 mark. All that matters is the torque will improve!

belkjz

i dont think it will be as fast as the srt-4 cause the new one is in the dodge caliber or something like that and is supposed have like 300hp.

Steiner

The HP/TQ rating on the SRT-4 Neon was really underrated. If Dodge rated HP like Mazda or Mitsubishi it would have been well over 250hp.

Tirminyl

I ment the Neon. And the MS3 has about 280lb-tq. I am not sure how much the Caliber has. Also the fact that I have heard the Caliber is a porker. I will wait to see how much the MS3 is in comparison. For now, I reserve my decision on what will be faster between the Caliber and MS3.

Renesis_8

Mazda underrated the torque for MS6, its rated at 280, but dynos show close to 260, and thats with a AWD drivetrain loss, thats a lot man. MS3 will get the same torque, probably a little less hp..

question: if MS3 runs the same boost as the MS6, but with less HP, does that mean it'll have even more torque?
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rotarygod

The halo car, flagship car, whatever you want to call it is the 6 not the 8. That's the one we wish was the flagship car. The 8 is about as much the halo car as the MX-5 is.

TODreamer

I dont think a 260hp car would be good as a FWD... isnt that a little much for the front wheels?

and guys.. dont old your breath for an MS8.... If Mazda did a MS8 that would be one silly move.. someone will definitely lose their job for that one

therm8

Shouldn't be too bad with LSD, but there'll be some torque steer. My old Volvo was almost putting that much on the ground (no LSD), and would light the tires up on a corner exit. It would get up and go though .

Renesis_8

Kinda off topic, but do you guys think that the MS6 will be made a trim option next year? and also the MS3 after it comes out. Just like Subaru legacy spec B, limited one year, trim the next
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mkztg

The Dodge Caliber has 172 hp and 165 lb-ft of torque. I only know this becasue my wife started looking for a new car a few weeks back... When she test drove the MS6 she stopped looking at anything else and and got that.

Now we have a Velocity Red MS6 and my Nordic Green 8 in the garage.. it is nice to have two fast cars.

TODreamer

which do you prefer?

Mugatu

iTrader: (1)

wait until the SRT Cailber comes out and smokes both your cars.

therm8

Well after alot of searching....

The Caliber SRT-4 weighs in at....wait for it...just shy of 3200lbs. 300hp/260lb-ft (not sure where, it seems a bit peaky, so expect a little lag). Supposedly the suspension gets some serious work though, and it is expected to be a pretty good handler. We'll see. I'd expect the aftermarket to be about 1000x better for the Dodge as well.

Ike

Who told you that nonsense?

Disregard: read it as WHP not torque.

R888

Lets finger cross the MS 8 is coming this fall or next fall as I still have hope to trust my service advisor from Mazda.

playdoh43

im under the impression halo car means the most expensive car in the brand. it shouldnt have much to do with performance. that should be mazdaspeed 6 i guess.. starting at 28k msrp

playdoh43

the new camry v6 is 268hp, maxima and altima SE-R and next gen v6 altima are sure to put out more than 260hp. Acura TL is FWD and has 258, pretty close... toque steer sucks, but its not enough to keep companies from releasing *high hp fwd cars.