RIWWP

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There is a difference between "Mazda needing the media" (which is true) and "a media source takes a crumb and spins a fabricated story from it, and other media sources take that and spin more fabrications from it."

It is how a single engineer says "I would like the rotary to be turbocharged" and somehow the media takes that to mean "corporate Mazda fully intends for the rotary to be turbocharged and will make it happen with 450hp turbocharged hybrid."

gwilliams, if this latter form of twisting what is actually said is acceptable journalism to you, then well, we won't be able to convince you otherwise.

gwilliams6

And don't forget who has awarded Mazda cars, rotary and piston, all those dozens of awards over the decades for 10Best Car, Import Car of the Year,Sports Car of the Year,Car of the Year, and tested, reviewed and named various Mazda vehicles as comparison test winners and segment winners, etc, THE WORLDWIDE AUTOMOTIVE MEDIA. Walk into any Mazda dealer and look at the brochures and flyers and see Mazda touting their vehicles' latest awards, from surprise, THE MEDIA. The media helps Mazda sell cars, and the auto manufacturers help the media sell stories. A symbiotic relationship that will continue, like it or not. It is all good folks. Relax and take a deep breath and smell the win-win here. Besides we need stuff to discuss and toss around here on this forum.

gwilliams6

And what will you say RIWWP if the RX-Vision comes out as a turbocharged car, hybrid or not, because I just read about the turbocharging. Will you remember to thank the media for being accurate then? in my 43+ years of driving rotary, I cant even count all the times there were media rumors about the next Rx or other Mazda vehicle having some technical advance or whatever, and folks criticized the media for spreading rumors. Then lo and behold ,the next RX had half or more of those innovations and more that weren't even rumoured about in advance ! So relax folks and just accept any discussion of the possible attributes of the next RX, and take it all with a grain of salt. No need to criticize the Mazda folks leaking "crumbs" as you call them; and no need to criticize the media. There is no final word on what is accurate or not here until the actual car is revealed, which my guess is still years away.

RIWWP

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I'll welcome it in whatever form it happens.



I'll give you an analogy of where I see the problem...

In World Ward 2, there was all sorts of propoganda between all the various countries. The government would use the media to deliberately spread false information, or to deliberarely undermine something of another country. Was that media reporting true and accurate?

Or how about another one...

I once saw a front page headline on the National Enquirer: "Y2K Bug planted by Russians!" It's a media source reporting something that they want people to read, but does that make it accurate? Does that even mean that there is the slightest basis in reality? (if you weren't aware, the "Y2k Bug" was simply a bug by software programmers that developed applications that only reported years in 2 digit format, instead of 4, so on January 1st 2000, any software that had this problem would be instead reporting the date as January 1st 1900. Nothing was 'planeted', it was simply a design flaw)

Or how about media articles that report that the excessive oil consumption that Mazda couldn't "fix" was the downfall of the rotary?

Or how about articles that report the rotary as being ultimately doomed to failure?

These are all media articles.

Using your logic, they are defacto true. Every single one. And each one will be proven true when something finally happens to make them true.

It's like writing an article that says that the Sun is going to "rise tomorrow at 6am exactly" and publish it on June 20th. And then claiming on September 22nd that the article is true, because it finally did rise at exactly 6am.


What we are saying is not that it "can't" or "won't" be turbocharged or hybrid, or lots of power. What we are saying is that the media outlets that are making up hypothetical scenarios aren't actually reporting truth or fact, but instead reporting wish and theory AS fact. That's what we have a problem with. If they want to make it up, go right ahead, but make sure it's clear that it's made up.


For your vaulted journalistic background, I really don't understand how you have trouble understanding this really core aspect of FACT vs FICTION, and how to report on one vs the other.

sinkas

Ive "heard" its coming out with 32inch rotorshaped spinners...better be true

77mjd

I'm still waiting for the surprise Mazda super bowl commercial announcing the arrival of the new RX-7...to be on sale in July, 2016.

gwilliams6

RIWWP you totally don't get my point. WW2 misinformation was a well-known tactic of war. The National Enquirer has never been considered real journalism, ever !

No I never said that all reports are defacto true, just like not all posts on this forum are true or even reasoned information. But responsible media can not be faulted from reporting any "crumbs" fed it by Mazda. And it is true in Mazda's history and relationship with the automotive media, Mazda has used the media to its benefit to peak interest in the possibilities of its vehicles, even when those vehicles are just a design mule. And Mazda does use all good media coverage and media-given awards to pump its sales. Mazda's symbiotic relationship with the media will continue despite what you, ASH8 or anyone else, including me has to say pro or con. Trust it, Mazda would rather have the media reporting these "crumbs" fact or fiction and keep the public's interest in the possibilities than have no discussion and no interest being generated. Period, end of story ! Please move on folks ,stop using the media as a punching bag and scapegoat, and pick something more important to discuss ! Mazda doesn't mind the attention, why are you folks so up in arms?

And yes RIWWP I am a recipient of numerous international and national journalism awards in my career and I know, practice, and teach fact and fiction. But I also teach that a free and independent press, even when it makes mistakes is better than no free and independent press. I have reported from foreign countries that don't have this and covered war in repressive societies.

SpaceCaptainSteve

motoring.au is obviously pretty notorious for crap but they've also gotten things right. I know the argument is if you "throw enough **** on the wall some of it sticks" but I think it's genuinely just a mix of actual real reporting and fantasy clickbait. When they actually name drop Mazda people I think its worth taking note, albeit with a grain of salt.

RIWWP

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Motoring is the equivalent of the National Enquirer.... This is the point you fail to really grasp. Once you see that, you understand that all of these articles that start with "according to Motoring" are like CNN and CBS and BBC all reporting "fact" as reported by the National Enquirer.

The crumbs aren't "from Mazda". That is what we see, and you don't.

RIWWP

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The National Enquirer gets some stuff right too you know. And uses the names of real people. That doesn't mean they are a legitimate source of information. "Name dropping" of a Mazda engineer that expressed his personal preference is NOT
'from Mazda'

200.mph

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pearl he has awards and millions of rotary miles. you have no clue what you are talking about buddy so listen to the expert lol

btw g, the media is so biased, scripted and full of **** its more like a trashy reality show. real journalism is long dead and only reports on what fits the narrative

9krpmrx8

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Anyone can call himself a journalist now days. There are lots of professions like that actually.

wankelbolt

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I believe that one.

ASH8

Oh please, lets not start on the merits of today's "Churnalism"....

Yes, many of these mags and online experts 'get it right' once Mazda releases a PRESS RELEASE, before that they fish.

What craps me off (as we have said before) is these 'new age' reporters write this crap on say an engineers personal preference as a FACT and then when the car in question is realized (released as an all new model) and it does not have 'say a turbo' (for whatever reason) all you read are the negatives and "it should of had a turbo as first "muted", or "rumored" "in development", or 'we can't think how much better this car would be if it had a'..... it is **** just to fill the pages with text and negativity as if these journalists are the engineering/driving experts, most have never got their hands dirty on/in a car, they still have spots!!....!!
Most have never invested a cent into their own businesses, and or having to justify the expenditure, the Manufacturing of anything is no different.

And they all churn it out with negative and gotcha comments/moments.

As Pearl has said (lost in translation again), is to write it up as it is....simple.
And we know this will never change,..click bait...

I am not sure what it is like in US (my guess the similar to Australia) all the old journo's were either retrenched (forced to retire) or sacked by New's Ltd (75% of staff) and other media.
WHEELS car magazine here is crap today and about to go broke, was once the King car mag.
Print media is just about dead or will be within a decade.

So it leaves us with on-line rubbish.
And yes there a still a few good writers around, not yet completely extinct.

Are-Ex-Eight

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Real journalism died with Ron Burgundy.

Today's media, all of it...is only concerned with one thing - profits. Which headline generates more clicks and hence advertising dollars?

A. Source inside Mazda confirms the rotary will be turbocharged cranking out 450 hp!

or

B. Car enthusiast who also happens to work at Mazda hopes for a turbocharged rotary return in the future.

All this journalism bull aside, which do you think will be confirmed (unveiled) first, a new Rotary or an MPS model?

ASH8

IMO Mazdaspeed or MPS.

I think IF Mazda gets the RE where they want it, it will be a 2020 launch.

Journalism of recent times......
The Media (in general) want to 'drive/push the agenda' rather than reporting on the facts,
there is way too much 'personal opinion' in this reporting.

RIWWP

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Yup. "Shocking" or "dramatic" or other emotional chain yanking generates more clicks and more dollars than actual factual statements.

Watch this for a good explanation of the psycology of why:



Hmm. That's a hard one.

One one hand, they seem to be far closer to an Mazdaspeed than a rotary, since a turbocharged mill is in the works already for the CX-9. However, whenever they do mention Mazdaspeed at all, it's usually some sort of negatively based deflection. I'd guess that most of the higher ups aren't particularly interested in most Mazdaspeed alternatives. But then, they are the most silent when there is something actually around the corner.

So I'd still guess rotary, but only by a hair.

77mjd

Define "and soon"...2020 is an eternity away.

Are-Ex-Eight

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I know, I wish I knew if I should go for a 36 month lease on a GLA AMG45 or not.

77mjd

I'm kinda in the same boat. I just wish we had more concrete info. I'm trying to decide if I should try to wait it out or not. This day in age, it's shocking that nothing ever leaks out from Mazda.

Bladecutter

You guys should definitely go buy/lease whatever car is currently in the market that floats your boat.

You will get the enjoyment of having that new toy.
You will find out if that car is as good as you think it is.
By the time your lease is done, either the new Mazda will already be in the showroom, or have just arrived, or will have been declared dead.

If it arrives early, then you can wait and see how things turn out as your lease ends, and the first batch of cars show their teething issues. And you can even test drive it a time or three to see if it meets your list of desires.

I bought my Cayman last year, and I couldn't be happier.
If and when Mazda puts something on the market, I'm going to take a good look, and see what I think.

Who knows, maybe if I'm lucky, I'll be able to just put it in the garage next to the Cayman, instead of replacing it.

BC.

77mjd

That's the problem...nothing in the current market floats my boat. The closest "upgrade" to the RX-8 would probably be the Cayman and I'm not sure I want to shell out that kind of money now only to get rid of it in a few years. The Z is stale, and the BRZ is underpowered so that doesn't leave much else. The only possible other compromise might be the WRX but I have a hard time getting over the ugly with that one.

Hi Flying 8

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+1.

9krpmrx8

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I bought a used but mint Alpine White Sport Package 2011 BMW 335i and I can tell you that it is fun as hell, handles just as good as an 8, and is almost as fast as my Turbo RX-8 in stock form.

I still love my 8 and enjoy driving it, but it's not better per say, just a different and more raw driving experience.

The potential with the 335i is way up there (both in suspension upgrades and power) and the price was stupid cheap so I jumped on it. Next up will be a real splurge and it will likely be a Cayman, hopefully by then a used GT4.

I doubt Mazda will ever really step it up but we shall see.

SpaceCaptainSteve

The answer is 2 wheels. Something fun and different that you wont regret buying if a new RX comes out soon-ish