Mazda has record sales for first half of the year
11-02-2016, 03:06 PM
#2
Super Moderator
Ummm , no sales 'records' for Mazda North America, they don't even make the + list as MNAO are not growing.....not good.
Come on, lift your game
Come on, lift your game
11-04-2016, 09:39 PM
#3
Rockie Mountain Newbie
If Mazda wants to sell more cars, they should get further in bed with Fiat, and have FCA sell both the Mazda 3 and Mazda 6 as Dodge/Chrysler products, just like they currently sell the MX-5 as the Fiat 124, and the Mazda 2 is sold as the Scion/Toyota iA.
11-04-2016, 11:36 PM
#4
Super Moderator
If Mazda want to sell more cars, FIX your current Dealer Network, FIRST.
Then listen to what People are telling them (bigger engines, and they can still maintain the lead as the most economical (MPG) car brand in USA for past 2 years).
And DEFINITELY NOT to get in bed with FCA, with another brand, good grief Ford was enough, don't need FCA telling Mazda what to do or undercutting model line up like Ford Australia and Ford Asia did with Mazda made Japan Fords, 323 and 626, and then remember the MX-6 platform Ford Probe made in US, that went well for Mazda....not, another $600 million loss 33 years ago on 1 model.
Simple re-start @ which wont cost much, put the CX-9 Turbo engine in Mazdaspeed 3 and 6 again, plus put the Turbo in the Mazda 6 WAGON and bring to the USA (first time), so many buyers want a wagon and not an SUV....all of these are not a huge tooling cost.
Turbo Diesels are dead. Start giving the brand some POWER....FCS!!
Just heard of a Mazda enthusiast in USA buying a new run out SP25 last week, he asked Dealer for a few simple requests, like update the Firmware in Mazda Connect to latest NA_V59.00.441A, and the Dealer forgot at Owner Delivery!...these are PD Inspection criteria which are mandatory checks Before brand new car is out the door to customer!...what was the Selling Car Salesman doing?, why did he not check off the customers wishes?...NO new car should be Delivered this way....
I can not believe in 2016 we are still talking about this stuff for a brand which has been established in the US for over 40 years and is going backwards, while SUBARU has taken Mazda's market share (growth), and Mazda (then under Ford America control) also let the Koreans take over market share 18 years ago.
Who the hell was listening to the people on the ground, what their Mazda Dealers wanted, why under a slob of a manager (Jim O'Sullivan) and still there Davis allowing this to happen, another half a $billion loss in USA only 4 years ago, and they still kept their jobs.!!
Even Today Mazda in USA is just breaking even, no pot of gold, no huge profits.
At what stage does Mazda say, well this is not working for us, what do we need to do?
Today the best looking model and made line up in their history, growing in every other continent worldwide in the past 3 years, except North America, permanently in a Mazda NAO Recession for 16 of the past 18 years!
Why...
Why was/has this allowed to continue year after year, why was MNAO Management not removed earlier. I said this about 8 years ago in here, and nothing has changed. No corporation would be permitted to trade this way. I guess in some ways goes to show how bad the world and US economy actually is, It really does sadden me.
Then listen to what People are telling them (bigger engines, and they can still maintain the lead as the most economical (MPG) car brand in USA for past 2 years).
And DEFINITELY NOT to get in bed with FCA, with another brand, good grief Ford was enough, don't need FCA telling Mazda what to do or undercutting model line up like Ford Australia and Ford Asia did with Mazda made Japan Fords, 323 and 626, and then remember the MX-6 platform Ford Probe made in US, that went well for Mazda....not, another $600 million loss 33 years ago on 1 model.
Simple re-start @ which wont cost much, put the CX-9 Turbo engine in Mazdaspeed 3 and 6 again, plus put the Turbo in the Mazda 6 WAGON and bring to the USA (first time), so many buyers want a wagon and not an SUV....all of these are not a huge tooling cost.
Turbo Diesels are dead. Start giving the brand some POWER....FCS!!
Just heard of a Mazda enthusiast in USA buying a new run out SP25 last week, he asked Dealer for a few simple requests, like update the Firmware in Mazda Connect to latest NA_V59.00.441A, and the Dealer forgot at Owner Delivery!...these are PD Inspection criteria which are mandatory checks Before brand new car is out the door to customer!...what was the Selling Car Salesman doing?, why did he not check off the customers wishes?...NO new car should be Delivered this way....
I can not believe in 2016 we are still talking about this stuff for a brand which has been established in the US for over 40 years and is going backwards, while SUBARU has taken Mazda's market share (growth), and Mazda (then under Ford America control) also let the Koreans take over market share 18 years ago.
Who the hell was listening to the people on the ground, what their Mazda Dealers wanted, why under a slob of a manager (Jim O'Sullivan) and still there Davis allowing this to happen, another half a $billion loss in USA only 4 years ago, and they still kept their jobs.!!
Even Today Mazda in USA is just breaking even, no pot of gold, no huge profits.
At what stage does Mazda say, well this is not working for us, what do we need to do?
Today the best looking model and made line up in their history, growing in every other continent worldwide in the past 3 years, except North America, permanently in a Mazda NAO Recession for 16 of the past 18 years!
Why...
Why was/has this allowed to continue year after year, why was MNAO Management not removed earlier. I said this about 8 years ago in here, and nothing has changed. No corporation would be permitted to trade this way. I guess in some ways goes to show how bad the world and US economy actually is, It really does sadden me.
11-05-2016, 09:53 AM
#5
Rockie Mountain Newbie
There must be some form of reason why Mazda doesn't want to put the Turbo 2.5 engine into the other 3 vehicles that should have it. It has to be financial, also.
So, what does Mazda have to gain from keeping the more powerful engine out of the CX-5, 6 and 3?
Do they sell emissions credits to other companies?
Is the risk of warranty claims significantly higher if the T 2.5 is in those 3 vehicles?
Would they be forced to discount the non-T cars that are on the lots if they release versions with the T?
I can't help you with the dealer network issues, or the MNAO issues you speak of.
I already refuse to buy cars from the two higher volume Mazda dealers that are run by shitbags here in Denver.
What we need to do is get ahold of Polk sales data here in the US Market, and send a questionaire to buyers of cars that directly compete with the Mazda 3, Mazda 6, CX-5, and CX-9, and DIRECTLY ASK the buyers why they didn't choose a Mazda. All your statements about the lack of engine power, and crappy management is a factor, but I want to know HOW MUCH EXACTLY it was a factor.
The Toyota Camry with the V-6 isn't the best selling car in the US.
The Toyota Camry with the 4 cylinder is.
So more power isn't the whole story.
Otherwise the Dodge Charger Hellcat would be the #1 selling family sedan in the US, and we all know it isn't even close.
BC.
So, what does Mazda have to gain from keeping the more powerful engine out of the CX-5, 6 and 3?
Do they sell emissions credits to other companies?
Is the risk of warranty claims significantly higher if the T 2.5 is in those 3 vehicles?
Would they be forced to discount the non-T cars that are on the lots if they release versions with the T?
I can't help you with the dealer network issues, or the MNAO issues you speak of.
I already refuse to buy cars from the two higher volume Mazda dealers that are run by shitbags here in Denver.
What we need to do is get ahold of Polk sales data here in the US Market, and send a questionaire to buyers of cars that directly compete with the Mazda 3, Mazda 6, CX-5, and CX-9, and DIRECTLY ASK the buyers why they didn't choose a Mazda. All your statements about the lack of engine power, and crappy management is a factor, but I want to know HOW MUCH EXACTLY it was a factor.
The Toyota Camry with the V-6 isn't the best selling car in the US.
The Toyota Camry with the 4 cylinder is.
So more power isn't the whole story.
Otherwise the Dodge Charger Hellcat would be the #1 selling family sedan in the US, and we all know it isn't even close.
BC.
11-05-2016, 10:22 AM
#6
Rockie Mountain Newbie
Also, what is different about Mazda now, compared to back in the early 2000's?
Mazda 6 and Mazda 3 sales are below the volume that Mazda had back in those days?
Here's some charts to show what I'm talking about:
http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01...s-figures.html
http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01...s-figures.html
Just scroll to the bottom of both pages to see the yearly sales charts.
It's really visible on the Canadian sales charts, but the Mazda 6 US sales also shows the same trend. They used to sell tens of thousands more 6's in the US.
Is that really all just market shift to SUV's?
BC.
Mazda 6 and Mazda 3 sales are below the volume that Mazda had back in those days?
Here's some charts to show what I'm talking about:
http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01...s-figures.html
http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01...s-figures.html
Just scroll to the bottom of both pages to see the yearly sales charts.
It's really visible on the Canadian sales charts, but the Mazda 6 US sales also shows the same trend. They used to sell tens of thousands more 6's in the US.
Is that really all just market shift to SUV's?
BC.