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Old 09-15-2015, 11:10 AM
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glad the spy photos show a less swept rear pillar allowing for 3rd row seating which the concept Koeru, although gorgeous, clearly doesnt have the head room for


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love the lighting on the Koeru

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Revival of the a larger CX-7? Looks like a 5 seater with the typical amputee size 3rd row jump seats.
Old 09-15-2015, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by SayNoToPistons
Revival of the a larger CX-7? Looks like a 5 seater with the typical amputee size 3rd row jump seats.
yes..a sort of "sporty SUV" version of Mazda6.

equivalent of BMW X4 in front @ BMW 3 series or X6 vs. 5 series

IMHO this will be the "special variant" of Mazda 6 that executives of Mazda was talking about at launch of 6 in 2012.

my bet...Mazda CX-6.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bricklin_SV-1
Drove one for a photo shoot I did with the automotive writer of my newspaper, the Philadelphia Inquirer. Nice, but was too heavy with all the cool safety stuff to be a top performer.


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Bricklin... I've known people who owned those



i used to know where there was an orange one and a green one. havent seen them in a decade
Old 09-21-2015, 11:45 AM
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VW faces fines of $18 Billion dollars for false emissions data given by its diesel cars
Yes, purposely false defeat software masked VW diesel cars actually giving off more than 40 times the allowed emissions while driving. Then the software would give a lower legal reading during any emissions testing. Wow !!
VW does not deny it.
With even tougher European and world emission standards coming, maybe as I had predicted, diesel cars are on their way out worldwide,without new technology.

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/09/21/volks...od&par=xfinity


Let's hope Mazda continues to play it straight. Maybe emissions is one of the reasons Mazda diesels haven't surfaced in US yet.

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so we may never see Mazda Sky-D Diesels in the US? Booo
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It sucks big time. I want a BT50 to round out my mazda ensemble
Old 09-21-2015, 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by gwilliams6
VW faces fines of $18 Billion dollars for false emissions data given by its diesel cars
Yes, purposely false defeat software masked VW diesel cars actually giving off more than 40 times the allowed emissions while driving. Then the software would give a lower legal reading during any emissions testing. Wow !!
VW does not deny it.
With even tougher European and world emission standards coming, maybe as I had predicted, diesel cars are on their way out worldwide,without new technology.

Volkswagen stock drops 20% on US diesel recall probe


Let's hope Mazda continues to play it straight. Maybe emissions is one of the reasons Mazda diesels haven't surfaced in US yet.
If anything, that gives Mazda a better chance at staying afloat with the Sky-D even with some modifications (DPF?) to meet US emissions regulations.
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Old 09-26-2015, 03:59 PM
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A working Koeru (CX-4) in China!..

Look at the dash pics, very new Mazda 6, but better..

Mazda Koeru-based prototype spied inside and out in China

I just hope Mazda just does not over do the SUV thing, Nissan here has 7 different units and many are just confused as to why?.
Old 09-27-2015, 01:19 PM
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can mazda bring the BT50 stateside? I really want an all mazda entourage outside and I just can't get it done without a truck. looks like the Colorado diesel will be getting my money soon
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Originally Posted by yomomspimp06
can mazda bring the BT50 stateside? I really want an all mazda entourage outside and I just can't get it done without a truck. looks like the Colorado diesel will be getting my money soon
This. I've been eyeing the Colorado diesel for a while and it looks like its gonna be an awesome truck.
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on new TC CX-9

Martin Benders, Mazda Australia’s Managing Director, has confirmed to CarAdvice that the next generation Mazda CX-9 will not be offered with a diesel engine. He attributed poor demand for diesel cars in the US as the reason for the model not to have a diesel variant at all, given the US is the CX-9’s dominant market

The 2017 Mazda CX-9 is expected to be unveiled at the 2015 Los Angeles Auto Show in November. The 7-seat SUV is likely to be offered only with only one petrol engine, which is confirmed by Benders to be a SkyActiv motor. The current CX-9 is powered by a 3.7-litre V6 petrol engine, which is reported to have been discontinued.

In addition, reports suggest that the all-new CX-9 will introduce the first turbocharged 4-cylinder SkyActiv engine, which is possibly based on the 2.5-litre power plant currently doing duty in the CX-5, Mazda 3 and Mazda 6. If so, it would be tuned to produce around 275 bhp of peak power. Either way, the 2017 CX-9 is expected to have an AWD variant.


Well gee Benders that is a breakthrough statement, obviously as Mazda sells no Diesel's in the US there will be NO DIESEL in new CX-9.

Just a weak 2.5 SA-G turbo.

I seriously dislike the way Mazda is heading, they wont spend the dollars to make a decent SA-G V6 but will pee around with a stupid range extender rotary which will have limited sales against any 6 cylinder vehicle, cant they find money to do both!
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If the 2.5L Sky-G turbo 4 produces the same HP and TQ as the current 3.7L V6, I don't see it being a problem. Chances are, the turbo 4 will produce those numbers at an even lower RPM while pulling less weight. Same (if not more) power, less weight, higher MPG? I'm okay with that.

The diesel (or lack of) is disappointing though.
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Originally Posted by ASH8
Just a weak 2.5 SA-G turbo.

I seriously dislike the way Mazda is heading, they wont spend the dollars to make a decent SA-G V6 but will pee around with a stupid range extender rotary which will have limited sales against any 6 cylinder vehicle, cant they find money to do both!
I don't see what the problem is with a turbocharged SkyActiv gasoline engine.
The current V-6 in the CX-9 makes 273 hp, and gets 16 - 24 mpg.
The turbo 4 will make 2 extra hp, but will most likely have epa range of 20 - 28, knowing how Mazda likes to improve their fuel economy numbers.
Most likely, the torque numbers will be much higher than the 270 lb-ft that the V-6 makes, AND the engine will be more reliable than the Ford built V-6.

I remember someone mentioning that the Ford V-6 sucks for reliability.
I believe the SkyActiv 4 cylinder engines have been doing much much better up to this point in time (with the noted exception of the diesel, that is).

Just about every other manufacturer has been switching to turbocharged 4 cylinder engines to replace their lineup of V-6 engines. VW, Audi, Mercedes, Ford, heck, even GM is getting is getting into the act. Hell, Porsche is replacing the 2.7 and 3.4 liter Flat 6 engines in the Boxster and Cayman next year with a pair of turbocharged Flat 4 engines (2.0 and 2.5). Yes, Porsche.

All because of emissions.
Turbocharged 4 cylinder engines can cheat their way past emissions standards (har har) way easier than V-6 engines can, and every company that wants to sell vehicles in Europe is doing it.

Since Mazda wants to make things simple in their lineup, the reduced number of engine variants they have to make, the more reliable their overall fleet is going to be, and the more cost savings they get to pocket in the long term.

I don't see that as a bad thing, at all.

And ultimately, a turbocharged 4 cylinder engine is way easier to work on than a V-6 engine that has been crammed into a tight engine bay, and requires serious work to access the rear bank for spark plugs, or replacing valve cover gaskets. Less weight for the same amount of power is almost always a great thing too, I've heard.

BC.
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Originally Posted by Bladecutter

And ultimately, a turbocharged 4 cylinder engine is way easier to work on than a V-6 engine that has been crammed into a tight engine bay, and requires serious work to access the rear bank for spark plugs, or replacing valve cover gaskets. Less weight for the same amount of power is almost always a great thing too, I've heard.

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I agree with a lot of what you have mentioned. This particular point I must disagree with you. The mazdaspeed 3 & 6 are terrible to work on. Instead of following the path of bolt-ons, I skipped straight to pulling the motor and building to make big power because I don't want to work in such a tight space. If anything goes wrong that I have to repair, I will sell it for cheap lol. OK, not really but that's how cramped the area to work with is...
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Originally Posted by Bladecutter
I don't see what the problem is with a turbocharged SkyActiv gasoline engine.
The current V-6 in the CX-9 makes 273 hp, and gets 16 - 24 mpg.
The turbo 4 will make 2 extra hp, but will most likely have epa range of 20 - 28, knowing how Mazda likes to improve their fuel economy numbers.
Most likely, the torque numbers will be much higher than the 270 lb-ft that the V-6 makes, AND the engine will be more reliable than the Ford built V-6.

I remember someone mentioning that the Ford V-6 sucks for reliability.
I believe the SkyActiv 4 cylinder engines have been doing much much better up to this point in time (with the noted exception of the diesel, that is).

Just about every other manufacturer has been switching to turbocharged 4 cylinder engines to replace their lineup of V-6 engines. VW, Audi, Mercedes, Ford, heck, even GM is getting is getting into the act. Hell, Porsche is replacing the 2.7 and 3.4 liter Flat 6 engines in the Boxster and Cayman next year with a pair of turbocharged Flat 4 engines (2.0 and 2.5). Yes, Porsche.

All because of emissions.
Turbocharged 4 cylinder engines can cheat their way past emissions standards (har har) way easier than V-6 engines can, and every company that wants to sell vehicles in Europe is doing it.

Since Mazda wants to make things simple in their lineup, the reduced number of engine variants they have to make, the more reliable their overall fleet is going to be, and the more cost savings they get to pocket in the long term.

I don't see that as a bad thing, at all.

And ultimately, a turbocharged 4 cylinder engine is way easier to work on than a V-6 engine that has been crammed into a tight engine bay, and requires serious work to access the rear bank for spark plugs, or replacing valve cover gaskets. Less weight for the same amount of power is almost always a great thing too, I've heard.

BC.
I still worry about carbon buildup in these turbo 4s. Apparently the mustang ecoboost is already having issues with this.
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Old 10-03-2015, 07:12 PM
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I still worry about carbon buildup in these turbo 4s. Apparently the mustang ecoboost is already having issues with this.
another issue we have in the mazdaspeed world. Horrible job cleaning valves but I'll be spraying meth to help with this
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Originally Posted by yomomspimp06
another issue we have in the mazdaspeed world. Horrible job cleaning valves but I'll be spraying meth to help with this
A lot of these turbo 4s across many brands are having issues with carbon, even at pretty low mileage. The next feat in automotive engineering should be coming up with a solution to this problem.
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It doesn't need a feat of engineering. The solution already exists.

The real feat would be figuring out a way to implement it that doesn't at any level inconvenience the consumer.

Alcohol injection at extremely low levels, and/or only under specific conditions to maximize how long a supply would last could definitely do the job. You don't need knock suppression levels to obtain a cleaning period. Water would be slightly better, but alcohol would 'keep' better if they can get it to the point that an onboard tank could last 30,000 or 60,000 miles, which would probably be reasonable to have service maintenance schedule of refilling it for $5-10 bucks if they were reasonable, $80-$180 if they weren't.
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isn't mercedes or bmw doing a water injection setup now?

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