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Old 03-22-2007, 09:03 AM
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M3 full engine specs

http://www.automobilemag.com/auto_sh...3_2008_bmw_m3/
simply amazing, 420hp from a 4.0L V8, once again well over 100hp / liter of displacement.


This is the leaked pricing so far.

Major Standard Equipment
4.0L V8 307kW 420Nm (bi-VANOS 3rd gen.) engine
Adaptive Xenon Headlights
Carbon Fiber Roof
SMG III 7-Speed transmission with DRIVELOGIC
18" M Double Spoke Alloy Wheel
18×8F/18×9R with P235/45ZR18 Front, P265/40ZR18 Rear Performance tires.

Invoice $49,117 Base Price USA Port of Entry $53,975

Vehicle Options List
Metallic paint $475
Nappa leather $1,450
Carbon fiber trim $300
Aluminum trim NC
Comfort Access $500
M Multifunction Seats with Active Width Adjustment $1,900
Front Heated Seats $500 / ZCW
Power Rear Sunshade $350
Head-Up Display $1,000
Navigation System w/I-Drive $2,100
Power Rear Sunshade $350
Rear Park Distance Control $350
19" M Double Spoke alloy wheel $1,750
19×8.5F/19×9.5R with P235/40ZR19 Front, P265/35ZR19 Rear Performance tires.
Logic 7 sound system $1,200
SIRIUS Satellite Radio $595
High Definition Radio $500
Premium Package (ZPP) $3,100
Cold Weather Package (ZCW) $750
6-speed manual transmission NC
Rear Spoiler Deletion NC

If anyone in MD DC VA is interested in getting a M3 at launch, VOB BMW in Rockville is taking pre-order at no markup over MSRP. you have to put down $1,000 to get on the list.

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note it has less torque than the 335, however it should still be faster even vs the modded version running Vishnu's custom ECU map. especially once it gets moving -according to people from Vishnu
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Originally Posted by playdoh43
note it has less torque than the 335, however it should still be faster even vs the modded version running Vishnu's custom ECU map. especially once it gets moving -according to people from Vishnu

Yes and no, the new M3 is a porker weighing more than a GTO of 3700lbs. I was looking at the BMW motorsports magazine and i remeber seeing a figure close to 38??. OUCH!

Those Hp dyno numbers look great on paper, but out on the road, it virtually runs the same times as the E39 M3(current) that is out now. Not much of an upgrade if you ask me.... if i owned a M3 now, i wouldn't be running to the Bmw dealership to turn mine in for a new one. Its a shame that the current 330i twin turbo runs near identical times as the current M3 , and its not even in M spec. Now have this porker of M3 not even run faster than the previous M3 is a slap in the face.

I don't see this new M3 as a good buy unless your one of those guys that has to have the latest and greatest and believes "NEW" is better.


BMW is slowly turning into a soft car company that is becoming lax on there once resepctable performance history. Its really sad....
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the current M3 is E46,
how do you know it will run virtually the same times as the current M3? there hasnt been any data on that, no magazine has even had a chance to drive one yet.
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^ Not to mention that the current sedan is a 335i, not a 330i. Thats two facts that are either a typo or you just didn't know. Good job bashing a car that isn't even out yet.
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^ Not to mention that the current sedan is a 335i, not a 330i. Thats two facts that are either a typo or you just didn't know. Good job bashing a car that isn't even out yet.

Opps ...both were typo's...also check you BMW motorsports magazine, they tell the story. And stating negative facts is not bashing. The new M3 is a porker.... like i said read the magazine. See for yourself.

As a car enthusiast i take the bad along with the good on any car. The new M3 is going to be a nice car, but it does has its faults.
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i dont think even BMW motorsports magazine has driven the car yet has they? as far as I know no one has 0-60, 1/4 mile, curb weight numbers for the car as of yet... its hard to conclude that its not going to be faster than the E46, which common sense tells me it will be quite a bit faster.
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thats pretty amazing, 420hp from a 4.0L.. and 8400rpm. The torque curve is very flat too on the usable part of the powerband.

Maybe if we have a 20B, the dyno graph would look exactly the same!
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Originally Posted by DailyDriver2k5
Opps ...both were typo's...also check you BMW motorsports magazine, they tell the story. And stating negative facts is not bashing. The new M3 is a porker.... like i said read the magazine. See for yourself.

As a car enthusiast i take the bad along with the good on any car. The new M3 is going to be a nice car, but it does has its faults.
my point is that, since they havnt driven it yet, or had tested it using their equiptments yet, and theres no numbers, what makes it fact?
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I read somewhere, I think it was a press release when the car was unveiled, that it will weigh the same as the E46 M3.
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Originally Posted by playdoh43
note it has less torque than the 335, however it should still be faster even vs the modded version running Vishnu's custom ECU map. especially once it gets moving -according to people from Vishnu
Maybe I'm reading the graph wrong, but where have you seen a 335i with over 400 ft lbs of torque?
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Originally Posted by NoTears316
Maybe I'm reading the graph wrong, but where have you seen a 335i with over 400 ft lbs of torque?
I meant that the M3 is still faster than the modded 335..

stock 335 has 300lb-ft of torque, and the M3 has ~295

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420-bhp from 4.0 liters = 105-bhp per liter

232-bhp from 1.3 liters = 178-bhp per liter

Rotaries own specific output anyday that ends with Y
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Originally Posted by chickenwafer
420-bhp from 4.0 liters = 105-bhp per liter

232-bhp from 1.3 liters = 178-bhp per liter

Rotaries own specific output anyday that ends with Y
You're going to get a bunch of folks re-hashing rotary displacement, I can see it now.
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maybe RG will let him go, since this is "general automotive" section. you gotta look at cars like you have no idea what the rotary engine is!
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You're going to get a bunch of folks re-hashing rotary displacement, I can see it now.
The spirits are angered. I feel a reply coming soon.
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there doesn't need to be a re-hash of anything. Mazda rates it at 1.3 and BMW rates their V8 at 4.0. I'm only going by what Mazda rates it by. I've heard the 2.6L arguement............
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exciting stats nonetheless... just wish it were more affordable. i'm sure they'll be all over the place in la once it comes out, so it'll be easy catching a good glimpse of em on the roads. maybe if i win the lottery someday. yep, uh huh... <lol>
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We're not talking about a hypercar here man, just work your *** off and it can be yours. My plan is to have one in 4 years.
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60+k is still alot of cashola. DINKS maybe or if you have a really good job. My only hope of owning a new BMW is a 1 series. Needs to be below 35k with some options and a decent engine for me to fit in my budget. A 135 coupe with the twin turbo 6 and about 3300lbs would be sweet. I’m betting a 135 with sport package, winter and HID’s could be had for around 35k. We’ll see if I’m right sometime next year. If not there is always a Camaro SS.
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Originally Posted by DailyDriver2k5
Opps ...both were typo's...also check you BMW motorsports magazine, they tell the story. And stating negative facts is not bashing. The new M3 is a porker.... like i said read the magazine. See for yourself.

As a car enthusiast i take the bad along with the good on any car. The new M3 is going to be a nice car, but it does has its faults.
So you take a 3400-3500lb, 333hp car, add 300-400lbs and ~90hp and expect it to run the same times as it did before? Just think about it, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I could see how an argument that they'd run close lap times around short, twisty tracks, but even then it'd be almost impossible to know how that's going to end up without first driving the car. I'm not a huge fan of what I've heard about the new M3 because, IMO, it's projected to be far too heavy for a sports coupe, but I'm reserving final judgment for when real specs are known. Maybe BMW will surprise us, you never know...

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420-bhp from 4.0 liters = 105-bhp per liter

232-bhp from 1.3 liters = 178-bhp per liter

Rotaries own specific output anyday that ends with Y
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Another write up:
THE NEW V8 POWER UNIT FOR THE BMW M3
Description in Brief:

•First eight-cylinder for the BMW M3 sports car.

•Supreme performance ensured by 309 kW/420 hp from 4.0 litres.

•Maximum torque of 400 Newton-metres (295 lb-ft) at 3, 900 rpm,
85 per cent of maximum torque over a speed range of 6,500 rpm.

•Unique thrust and muscle ensured by consistent implementation of the M high-speed engine concept, maximum engine speed 8,300 rpm.

•Consistent lightweight construction of engine and ancillary units,
new V8 power unit one of the lightest eight-cylinders in the world,
lighter than the straight-six power unit in the former model.

•Variable camshaft control, low-pressure double-VANOS for an
optimum charge cycle, system offering full power and performance even with normal engine oil pressure.

•Eight individual throttle butterflies for spontaneous engine response.

•Consistent and reliable oil supply with longitudinal and lateral acceleration up to 1.4 g ensured by two oil pumps and wet sump oil lubrication optimised for supreme dynamic behaviour.

•Exhaust system optimising cylinder charge, optimised for weight and function by means of internal high-pressure remoulding, exhaust emissions fulfil EU4 and LEV 2 standards.

•Upgraded MSS60 engine control unit for optimum coordination of all engine functions with the various control systems in the car.

•Ion flow technology recognising and distinguishing engine knocking phenomena as well as misfiring and miscombustion by measurement of ion flow in the combustion chambers.

•Brake Energy Regeneration with intelligent alternator control.

Its name alone spells out the epitome of ultimate driving pleasure:
the BMW M3. And now the new version of BMW M GmbH’s most successful high-performance sports car bears out this claim once again, at the same time providing a thrilling answer to the question asked by so many sports car fans around the world whether a further improvement is still possible at all.

And the answer is yes – for the new BMW M3 offers more in every respect.

This applies not only – but particularly – to the power unit: After 15 years and two model generations, the trendsetting six-cylinder has now found its successor. The new BMW M3 is entering the market with an eight-cylinder power unit – more cylinders, larger capacity, more power, higher engine speed. And it is fair to say from the start that this will also mean an even more thrilling experience on the road.
The benchmark the new power unit was required to exceed could hardly have been greater: BMW’s 3.2-litre straight-six has gained fame and admiration the world over, receiving a long list of awards and prizes. Acknowledged several times as the “Engine of the Year” and developing a supreme 252 kW/343 hp in its last version, this power unit made the BMW M3 not only the ultimate performer in the segment of high-performance sports cars, but also a genuine best seller.

The fact still remains, however, that everything has its time. And now the time has come for the six-cylinder to bow out and leave the stage. The time has come for the advent of the new V8 in the new BMW M3.

The specifications of this new high-performance power unit alone clearly confirm the enormous progress this engine has to offer. Engine displacement is 3,999 cc, maximum output is 309 kW/420 hp. Peak torque of 400 Newton-metres or 295 lb-ft is just as impressive as the top engine speed of 8,300 rpm. So clearly, the new BMW M3 is striking out for the top right from the start through its thrilling performance.

Ideal dimensions for performance at its best.

Displacing 500 cc per cylinder, the new V8 power unit meets the ideal concept of the most demanding engine designers right from the start through its engine dimensions alone. And the other design criteria – all the way from the engine’s dimensions and filling capacities through the number of components to the weight of the engine – likewise represent the very best achievable today.

Over and above these qualities, the new eight-cylinder offers all the typical M-tuned features of BMW’s regular production cars such as double-VANOS, individual throttle butterflies, and high-performance engine electronics.

At the same time the number of cylinders, the M high-speed engine concept, and the low weight of the engine clearly prove that the responsible engineers, in creating this power unit, were inspired and guided by the eight-cylinder featured in the BMW Sauber F1. For the new engine has many features in common with the latest power unit highlighted by BMW in Formula 1, with various technological concepts and principles, production processes and materials carried over from the Formula 1 engine to the drivetrain of the new BMW M3.

In terms of specific output, the new V8 significantly exceeds the benchmark of 100 hp per litre acknowledged as a convincing sign of sporting power and performance. But even so, power is not everything. Rather, the dynamic driving experience provided by a car depends to a great extent on its acceleration and handling, resulting, not least, from the weight of the car and the actual thrust of the engine. The thrust or traction acting on the drive wheels, in turn, results from engine torque and the overall transmission ratio.
The M high-speed engine concept allows optimum transmission and final drive ratios further enhancing the impressive thrust and power of the engine. Indeed, BMW M’s engineers have found a new dimension in developing the engine of the new BMW M3, with the eight-cylinder achieving maximum engine speed of 8,300 rpm.

The second factor crucial to thrust and performance on the road, engine torque, amounts to a mighty 400 Newton-metres or 295 lb-ft at 3, 900 rpm on the new V8 power unit. And about 85 per cent of the engine’s maximum torque is available throughout the enormous engine speed range of 6,500 rpm, with 340 Newton-metres or 251 lb-ft available from just 2,000 rpm.

High engine speed, low weight.

Mass (which, ultimately, means weight) is bad for acceleration – it makes any physical body seeking to accelerate slower and more sluggish. Precisely this is why BMW’s new V8, weighing a mere 202 kg or 445 lb, is a genuine lightweight, saving some 15 kg or 33 lb versus the six-cylinder power unit in the previous model. In other words, the new engine easily sets off the weight of two extra cylinders. And a further point is that the high-speed engine concept allows a light drivetrain and very short transmission ratios.

Even so, the limits to physics inevitably approach step-by-step with increasing engine power: At 8,300 rpm, each of the eight pistons is moving at a speed of 20 metres or almost 66 feet per second, obviously exposing all materials to enormous loads. Precisely this is why BMW M’s designers and engineers have focused on the minimisation of masses on the new eight-cylinder.

Engine block straight from BMW’s Formula 1 foundry.

The engine block of the new eight-cylinder comes straight from BMW’s light-alloy foundry in Landshut near Munich, where BMW also builds the engine blocks for the Company’s Formula 1 racing cars. The cylinder crankcase, in turn, is made of a special aluminium silicon alloy, conventional cylinder liners being replaced by hard silicon crystals. The iron-coated pistons, finally, run directly in the uncoated, honed cylinder bore.

High engine speeds, compression forces and temperatures cause extreme loads acting on the crankcase. Hence, the crankcase is compact in its dimensions and comes in torsionally resistant bedplate design ensuring very precise crankshaft bearing and running conditions. The relatively short, forged crankshaft is likewise very stiff in terms of its flexural and torsional qualities, but weighs only 20 kg or 44 lb.

Double-VANOS with low-pressure operation.

With its extremely short control times, variable double-VANOS camshaft management perfects the cylinder charge cycle, reducing charge losses and improving engine output torque and response, as well as fuel economy and emission management.

Developed especially for the new eight-cylinder, the M double-VANOS now featured on the new engine requires no more than normal engine oil pressure in order to operate at maximum speed. As a function of load and engine speed, this sophisticated unit consistently sets the optimum valve angle synchronised to the ignition timing and injection volume.

Consistent and reliable oil supply even under extremely dynamic driving conditions.

Two volume-flow controlled pendulum slide cell pumps supply the eight-cylinder efficiently with lubricant, consistently delivering exactly the right amount for the engine. Wet sump lubrication optimised for engine dynamics, in turn, ensures appropriate lubrication also in extreme braking manoeuvres.

The entire system features two oil sumps – a small one in front of the front axle subframe and a larger sump further back. A separate reflow pump, in turn, extracts oil from the front oil sump and pumps it to the sump at the rear.

Eight individual throttle butterflies with electronic control.

Individual throttle butterflies for each cylinder, a technology commonly used in motorsport, are the ideal solution to give the engine an immediate, direct response at all times. The new power unit in the BMW M3 therefore comes with eight individual throttle butterflies, four on each row of cylinders operated by separate actuators. This high-tech throttle butterfly management is fully electronic and extremely fast, giving the engine a smooth and sensitive response at low engine speeds and an immediate reaction to the driver’s commands whenever he wishes to use the full power of the engine.

Flow-optimised air intake.

To ensure an immediate response and superior dynamics of the engine at all times, the throttle butterflies in the intake manifolds are positioned very close to the intake valves. The specific length and diameter of the intake funnels also benefit the oscillating pipe charge principle. To minimise weight, finally, both the intake funnels and air collector are made of a light composite material with a 30 per cent share of glass-fibre.

Innovative exhaust system.

Through its design and configuration, the exhaust system for the new V8 power unit optimises the cylinder charge cycle, ensuring an optimum surge of power and torque at all times. And again, this component has been designed and built from the start for consistent lightweight qualities.

The exhaust manifolds are made in an internal high-pressure remoulding process, the desired contours of the stainless-steel pipes being shaped from inside under pressure of up to 800 bar. The result is extremely thin walls measuring just 0.65–1.00 millimetres (0.0256–0.0394´´ ) in thickness, optimising flow conditions with minimum resistance, light weight, and optimum response of the catalytic converters.

Exhaust emissions are cleaned by no less than four catalysts and the engine naturally complies both with the European EU4 standard and the US LEV 2 requirements.

Even better performance than before: the engine control unit.
The engine control unit featured on the V8 has also been upgraded to an even higher standard than before, ensuring optimum coordination of all engine functions. Taking more than 50 input signals, for example, the control unit determines the optimum ignition timing individually for each cylinder and operating stroke, the ideal flow conditions, exactly the right amount of fuel injection, and the optimum injection timing. At the same time the system calculates and sets exactly the right camshaft angles (angle spread), as well
as the respective position of the eight individual throttle butterflies.
And last but not least, the control unit enhances and masterminds specific BMW M functions such as the clutch, transmission, steering, and brakes.

Yet a further function of the engine control unit is to perform a wide range of on-board diagnostic functions with various diagnostic routines for servicing at the workshop as well as other functions and the efficient management of peripheral units and systems.

An outstanding highlight in engine management: ion flow technology.
A particular highlight in engine management is ion flow technology detecting any knocking in the engine as well as the risk of misfiring or miscombustion. Contrary to conventional processes and technologies, this function is now performed directly where it counts, that is right there in the combustion chamber itself. To provide this highly efficient control, each cylinder is monitored and controlled via the spark plug to determine any knocking tendency. At the same time the system checks the ignition for smooth and correct operation, and recognises any misfiring.

The spark plug therefore serves as an actuator for the ignition and as a sensor observing the combustion process, distinguishing in this way between miscombustion and misfiring. And through this double function performed by the spark plug, diagnostic requirements in maintaining and servicing the engine are also facilitated.

Greater efficiency and dynamics provided by Brake Energy Regeneration.

To further enhance the efficiency of the new V8 power unit, Brake Energy Regeneration ensures intelligent engine current management concentrating the generation of electric power for the on-board network on the overrun phases and the application of the brakes. This serves to charge the car’s battery without tapping on engine power and, accordingly on the energy contained in the fuel burnt. As long as the engine is running under power, on the other hand, accelerating and pulling the car, the alternator generally remains disconnected.

Apart from particularly efficient generation of electric current, this also helps to provide more drive power when accelerating, making the car even more dynamic and agile on the road.
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Originally Posted by PoorCollegeKid
So you take a 3400-3500lb, 333hp car, add 300-400lbs and ~90hp and expect it to run the same times as it did before?
try again... the lightest E90 runs 3600 lbs and that is the strippy base 328i with no options.

what makes you think that will shave 200+ lbs off that.
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Well, if my math is correct, and I am really good at math, he said it would weigh: 3400 to 3500 + 300 to 400 = 3700 to 3900 lbs.

As well, the E92 328 weighs 3350 lbs.

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the V8 is lighter than the inline6. the roof is going to be carbon fibre, maybe the fenders too. I guess the hood will be pretty light too. I am guessing its gonna be 3500-3600lbs.
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