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MPS, 3, 6, 2 or CX-3, or it could be a CX-5 or even talk of CX-7.
Do you think I remember every word I say on here....
I am sure everyone else holds themselves to the exact same standards.
I never said the CX-9 would be a MPS model...but it will be turbo now AFAIK, and this will be a huge mistake...they need their own V6, (also for new 6 ).
Although having said that Mazda in USA has had their best April month in 20 years (just gone), and the new 6 it's best month since the old original 2003-4 Mazda 6...still a long way to go.
Having said that Mazda performance in the USA is still pathetic, WOW a big 24,000 cars for April, Australia is selling 10,000 a month with a population of 24 million, USA 350 mil.
Car Brands = 62 in Australia, USA 43.
Subaru in the US is pulling Mazda's pants down with massive growth over the past 20 months to 42,000 units in April, so what is happening here Subaru is just not that much better.?
US Mazda dealers, 30-35% should be given the boot, as should Mazda US marketing "Team" and the top managements of MNAO.
Thankfully Europe is doing well for Mazda, but should be better, showing a lot more promise than Mazda main market (the US).
Wont be any Mazda Diesels for USA, they are not going to spent the money updating the current SA-D just for a small US market (for Diesels), wait until the next lot of SA engines starting from about 2018... It is an engine reliability issue, Mazda are **** scared of a Diesel failure in USA.
There is still almost a tsunami of SA-D engine issues and not because of DPF, that is another issue.
Defective Camshafts, Turbo's all crapping themselves in Europe, Japan, NZ and Australia.
Let alone the SA transmission issues.
So far I have not believed any report of an AWD MS3 is anything other than wishful thinking or over excited reporting. This is going to be an ST/SI/GTI competitor, and not a 1% halo RS/STI type car. I am expecting to really like it though, and it is currently top of the list to replace our Civic Si in the next few years.
Actually, I doubt AWD will be worth the weight, economy and cost over the competitors I mention, but I really hope they put in some kind of mechanical diff especially as there is now a locking diff option on the GTI.
I expect the CX-9 will get a turbo 4 as the standard choice. This won't be an MS car. Similarly, I don't expect an MS CX-3 or CX-5. MS2 would make sense though mostly in Japan and Europe, while an MS6, or perhaps just an upper trim 6 with the more powerful engine would find more market in the US and Auz.
I think in the present US market of EPA tests and cafe ratings, a modern turbo 4 is a better fit than a V6. That is unfortunate, but starting from scratch, and with consideration of budget, a turbo 4 is the logical choice.
The main reason I see for low Mazda6 sales in the US is not the lack of a V6. It is a simple lack of momentum, since the previous 6 has been out of the market for a while and was pretty small in numbers when it was there.
I Know this is not the correct thread, but I thought I would let my US mates know some sales numbers for two all new Mazda models in Australia, which North America has yet to launch.
All new Mazda CX-3 1396 units, first full month has pushed Honda and Toyota RAV4 1399 units (almost) off their SUV perch.
Quote: Toyota maintained its stranglehold on the top spot in April 2015, experiencing a 2.5 per cent bump in sales to 15,299, with its Corolla small car easily the number one-selling model in April with 3238 sales, 449 units ahead of its HiLux ute stable-mate that knocked the Mazda3 back to third with 2365.
Toyota fared well last month, with its RAV4 sneaking into 10th spot, ahead of the Prado (1399) that was equal 11th with the Hyundai ix35 (1389), while the Kluger large SUV also had a strong month to land in 15th (1262).
Mazda had a bumper April month, lifting by 15.3 per cent to 8068 units; a new April record for the Japanese brand. As well as the successful launch of its CX-3, the refreshed CX-5 continued to perform strongly, and was the top-selling SUV (CX-5) in the country with 1868 units sold.
All-New Mazda2 hatch continued its success with 926 sales last month. With a stylish Mazda2 4 door sedan arriving in late-August, Mazda expects numbers to grow further given the added choice that two models gives buyers. Mazda2 tops the light segment with 4,975 YTD sales.
Mazda also sold 897 BT-50s and 415 Mazda6s - the latter maintaining its position as the country's favourite mid-sized import under $60,000.
Year to date, Toyota is well ahead of all comers on 64,285, followed by Mazda on 36,348, with Holden (GM) in third on 31,853, Hyundai 30,823, Nissan on 21,847 and Ford in sixth on 21,565.
Toyota Corolla...... 3238
Toyota Hi-Lux....... 2789 Mazda3.............. 2365
Hyundai i30......... 2298
Ford Ranger......... 2200
GMH Commodore.. 2043 Mazda CX-5........ 1868
Volkswagen Golf... 1697
Mitsubishi Triton... 1538
Toyota RAV4........ 1399 Mazda CX-3.........1396
Mazda Australia managing director, Martin Benders said: "We have enjoyed an outstanding start to 2015 thanks to a number of new models and upgrades over the last five months, and the increasing appeal of SUVs. CX-5 has risen to another level of demand with the latest upgrade, while the appeal of the First-Ever Mazda CX-3 has exceeded all expectations. To have sold 2,261 CX-3s in just over six weeks has been simply astonishing. This tells us that those interested in a small SUV are looking for something with more style and power, and want a greater range of choice. I think we've delivered this."
Wow, that's awesome that they are so popular in Australia. They are at #18 in April in the US, but with 24k units, and 7.5% growth over April last year. The Mazda2 and CX-3 are yet to launch here and the Mazda6 and CX-5 refresh are just coming through, so hopefully they will maintain that strong growth through the rest of the year.
Just thought I would pass on some information about the North American bound CX-3, unfortunately no Mazda Transmissions, yet Australia has a few MT models in our line up...so go figure?. ..In the USA the Mazda 6 is available with MT in Australia only Auto's, no MT's.
A lot of this has to do with demand and actual supply, remember all the all new Skyactiv range of cars are solely Mazda made/designed for Mazda and only made @ Mazda, like Engines, Transmissions and Transfer cases/Rear Diffs.
My guess is the MT will be available in the CX-3 for USA at some stage, probably a Series II update.
Anyway, I personally have not had much experience with Mazda's 4WD systems as they have not been exported outside of Japan, apart from the new CX-5.
Before that I would have to go back to 1989 and the BG 323 (Mazda 3) 4WD 1.8 DOHC Turbo, sold in Australia in very small quantities as it was very expensive then.
IMO one always should rate any 4WD system on how well it grips the road surface and the lack of any wheel spin.
For me in a Mazda the 4WD 323 was my last experience, not having driven the new 4WD CX-5, while then the 323 4WD Turbo was great for it's time, traction and wheel spin was manic, and no OBDII.
Today, the response from journalists rating Mazda's all new Skyactiv 4WD (i-Active) in the all new CX-3, look very promising.
What I like about this electronic system designed and used by Mazda's today is the ECU control which offers the best fuel consumption use as it only engages the rear wheels once poor traction is identified.
Here is what a Canadian writer/tester said about his 2.0l CX-3 4WD 4 speed Auto.
QUOTE:
i-Active uses seven different sensory inputs to decide exactly how much drive should be sent to each wheel. It judges the steering angle and torque, and current in the power steering, then considers the brake fluid pressure and the forward g-force, then weighs it all against the outside temperature and whether or not the windshield wipers are working. It does this 200 times a second.
Does it work?
In the morning, I parked uphill on a loose gravel road, cranked the wheel hard to the right, and stepped on the gas. There was hardly any wheel spin at all. That’s remarkable in any system, let alone a $2,000 option on a 20-grand car.
Honestly, I do not understand the appeal of these small crossovers/SUVs.
They're just like a station wagon except they don't handle as well, have less room, are more expensive to service and replace consumables like tires, and they're harder to park.
Why not just buy a station wagon?
Obviously a lot of people like them here, so what am I missing?
what makes them handle less well, more expensive to service, why are tires more expensive and why are they harder to park?
The fact they're an SUV. A station wagon uses regular road tires, is lighter, has a lower centre of gravity, etc etc etc. Race a wagon and an SUV around a track and see who wins. SUVs aren't exactly known to be fun to drive.
it's not like their 4WD abilities can redeem them either, these soft SUVs are close to useless off road too.
It's based on a Mazda2, which is 2,200lbs. How heavy do you think it got from a manufacturer determined to cut weight on all model revision?
Show me what wagon is lighter than the CX-3. Show me a CX-3 that doesn't come with road tires. I haven't driven a CX-3, but I did drive a CX-5, and rather hard through California mountain roads. It handles better than most sedans.
I'm curious what basis you have for those statements. Maybe you are talking about a Ford Explorer or Range Rover?
It's based on a Mazda2, which is 2,200lbs. How heavy do you think it got from a manufacturer determined to cut weight on all model revision?
Show me what wagon is lighter than the CX-3. Show me a CX-3 that doesn't come with road tires. I haven't driven a CX-3, but I did drive a CX-5, and rather hard through California mountain roads. It handles better than most sedans.
I'm curious what basis you have for those statements. Maybe you are talking about a Ford Explorer or Range Rover?
At work, we have a fleet of cars, a mixture of Ford Fusion wagons, Mitsubishi Outlanders and a few Mazda CX-5s. The Outlander's and the CX-5's tires were crazy expensive to replace compared to the Ford Fusion's. Don't know why. It's the size and dimension of their rims I guess.
I've driven all of them, and on some twisty roads- it's no contest. I'd choose the Ford Fusion.
SUVs aren't exactly known for their dynamic handling prowess or inspiring drive. They're a shopping cart compared to a regular sedan or wagon. And they're ugly!!
Why would you buy a CX-5 or 9 when you could buy this?
well A. we dont get the 6 wagon here. we did get the last gen for a little while BUT B. people here in the states purchase the higher riding CUV/SUV over the wagon more often then not. they like the view better or something so that means we get 0 wagons. plus the CX-9 at least has 3 rows where wagons have only 2 row seating.
The CX-5 handles incredibly well- see any of the videos pf it being pushed around Laguna Seca. a 6 wagon might handle it better being lower and tuned by Mazda but not any other companies wagon in the price range
The CX-3 is only slightly taller than the Mazda 3 plus they paid special attention when dialing in the suspension... arrggh i cant find the quote now but they dealt with body roll with suspension tuning that changed the angle moment or something to match the center of gravity. Ash did you see that comment?
point being is that these tall cars sell well in the US versus a wagon. why? i dont know women like the taller seating position and they make the decisions generally when buying "family cars"
plus Mazda, at least, makes them handle and drive just as well as their shorter counterparts. tires may be an Aussie specific issue. here the cost of the tires for a CX-5 isnt any different that for a Mazda 6 or 3 and much less than what i pay for tires for my RX-8
M8 you may like the Ford Fusion, but the CX-5 in Australia is pulling the pants down on the Fusion in Australia and every other brand, including many Toyotas.
The only reason Mazda is not number 1 in Oz is because 1, supply and 2, the Governments here buy too many locally built Camry **** boxes to keep Toyotas sales numbers high.
Mazda will get there..I was told this about 7 years ago and never believed it then as Mazda in Oz was about 14th and selling less than half of what they do today.
Anyway..Charlie, I don't recall which part of what review on CX-3, there have been so many.
And I have not done much cross checking but as we know CX-3 is a Mazda 2 platform, most of the CX-3 in the suspension and brake area actually has Mazda 3 parts, like bearing hubs, brakes, sways and some bushes, have not checked shocks and springs.
New Mazda 2 here has lighter front discs and rear drums!, which is just dopey, no car today should have rear drum brakes. (also Canada and Mexico sold new 2 has rear drum brakes), but Mazda does make a rear disc set up for the new 2 for some LHD Europe markets.
and the Mazda 6 wagon is one of if not the prettiest wagon ever built. but you cant believe the CX-3 is ugly? It's gorgeous!
Ok yeah that second one doesn't look too bad. And if I were to buy an SUV - it would probably be a Mazda. The Mitsubishi Outlanders we had at work... ugghhh. An abortion of a car.
But I still don't see the appeal, or any advantages over a regular sedan or wagon. Horses for courses I guess.
Originally Posted by ASH8
Ah..another Adelaide boy....like me!!...
M8 you may like the Ford Fusion, but the CX-5 in Australia is pulling the pants down on the Fusion in Australia and every other brand, including many Toyotas.
The only reason Mazda is not number 1 in Oz is because 1, supply and 2, the Governments here buy too many locally built Camry **** boxes to keep Toyotas sales numbers high.
Mazda will get there..I was told this about 7 years ago and never believed it then as Mazda in Oz was about 14th and selling less than half of what they do today.
Anyway..Charlie, I don't recall which part of what review on CX-3, there have been so many.
And I have not done much cross checking but as we know CX-3 is a Mazda 2 platform, most of the CX-3 in the suspension and brake area actually has Mazda 3 parts, like bearing hubs, brakes, sways and some bushes, have not checked shocks and springs.
New Mazda 2 here has lighter front discs and rear drums!, which is just dopey, no car today should have rear drum brakes. (also Canada and Mexico sold new 2 has rear drum brakes), but Mazda does make a rear disc set up for the new 2 for some LHD Europe markets.
I thought I was the only ADL member! How about that.
I'm glad Mazda are doing well, they are definitely a quality manufacturer. They're having a bit of a golden age right now... the Kodo design is sexy and the cars are well built.
I would still choose a Mazda 3 or 6 ten times over any of the CX SUVs though.
It is official and not surprising but the all new Mazda 2 will not be sold in the USA.
Already on-sale in Canada and Mexico though.
I was wondering why the long delay and it sort of makes sense as the CX-3 is taking sales away from the new 2 in Australia, (CX-3) basically same car with bigger engine and wheels /brakes.
Last years sales of the DE Mazda 2 was 'only' 13,600 units (up 14%) in USA.
The excuse not enough sales, cheap gas, too many dealers, just the usual BS from Davis @ MNAO, as he says "it is always there (made in Mexico) if we want it at a later date".
so if we want a 2 we'll have to go with the ugly Scion twin? Ugh! The Mazda 2 would've sold well at least in PR if priced right. It got the best looks, handling and power to mpg ratio of any of the compacts!
so if we want a 2 we'll have to go with the ugly Scion twin? Ugh! The Mazda 2 would've sold well at least in PR if priced right. It got the best looks, handling and power to mpg ratio of any of the compacts!
Yes, in the USA.
More than likely Toyota might have also wanted exclusivity in the USA for the iA.
What gets me is you have a brand and model (Mazda 2) in the USA with over 1000 sales a month (average), built up a good reputation and following and they stop it.
In the end...selling new cars 'is' a numbers game.
If you guys want one you can get it in PR and ship it to US mainland. PR is under US Federal Laws so it will be legal. BUT cars in PR are always more expensive being an island and all plus the shipping costs...
"It'll always be there if we need it," Davis added, referring to the fact that the car has already passed federal safety and EPA tests in order to be sold in Puerto Rico.
Here is the new face lifted Mazda BT-50 Ute/Pickup/Truck for Oceania regions including Australia/NZ.
Made at Mazda Thailand plant which also makes the Ford Ranger, both use Ford engines/transmissions...this is the last shared product.
What happens in about 5 years when this generation is finished, my prediction is Mazda will no longer make any Ute and obviously Ford will not see Mazda making such a vehicle for them, both will be totally void of any combined vehicle products.
I've driven the BT50 ute with the 3.2 5cyl diesel, it's bloody fantastic. If I was in the market for a ute I would totally buy one. (Or the ranger). Leagues better than the piece of **** Mitsubishi Triton I used to have as a company car.
Why the heck have they not imported the 6 wagon into the states??
I have read countless requests by US readers wanting one.
You guys have a management (O'Sullivan and Davis) who are nothing but pathetic, I cannot believe they still have a job....what exactly do they have over MMC Japan, no corporation would 'normally' accept their mediocre performance and massive recent losses of hard currency.
The US Mazda market share went backwards again! in May just gone, because of NO Mazda 2!!.
NO Stocks, they have fecking brand new factory in Mexico churning them out for Canada.!!
Just about every other country Mazda are seeing way higher sales gains than in the US.
Over the years I have seriously question their loyalty to the brand that employs them, it is almost like they want the brand to fail.
Looks like Mazda will be sending plug in hybrids for the USA thanks to California's mandatory CARB (California Air Resources Board) regulation, which was relaxed for smaller car makers who do not produce 'a' Zero emission car, like Jaguar, Mazda, Subaru, Volvo and Land Rover.
So I guess you will see the Mazda 3/Prius soon...and for the rest of the world with this newer Toyota swap/tech deal.
05-02-2015, 01:05 PM
