ASH8

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All new CX-9 brochure pics out early...

New 2016 Mazda CX-9 SUV: This Is It!

ASH8

While on CX- ''news''.........

Mazda CX-3 - Mazda concerned about supply of new CX-3 | GoAuto

SayNoToPistons

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Hopefully we get some sort of a release statement from Mazda rather than what seems to be speculation.

Good news on the CX-3. Great looking little "ute". Mazda is on a roll with SkyActiv. Wish the average consumer would consider Mazda products more instead of buying Honda's and Toyota's just for the brand...

I am 8 months away from making my last payment on my fully loaded CX-5 (3 year finance) and I still love every bit of it. Jealous of the improvements of the face-lifted 2016 CX-5 though. Jealous of my girlfriends 2.5 in her 2015 CX-5 as well.

ASH8

We (Australia) launched last week (CX-3) and they are sold out already!....
Supply is going to be a real problem.

For those interested...
The new DJ Mazda 2 for Europe (LHD) will be made in Mazda's new Mexico Plant, I think we will see the Mazda 3 also being made for Europe in Mexico, so Japan has more capacity.

RHD (Right Drive) new Mazda 2 for UK and Australia come out of Thailand.

ALL CX-3's come out of Japan.

zoom44

10,000 orders for cx-3 in the first month in Japan 44% being the new ceramic metallic color. 63% their touring trim level

RIWWP

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Is that this color?

zoom44

yeah that's it I'll have one myself, says CX-3 designer - Motoring - NZ Herald News it's appearance changes depending on the light. looks white from some angles and silver from others

there are videos of the cx-3 and mx-5 in that color driving about.
now if they could move Ash's turbo'd engine from the cx-9 into the smaller cars

MattMPS

and what if the new 2.5 will be SUPERCHARGED (in some way, also with electric assist) and not TURBOCHARGED?

make sense for the proper "Miller Engine" comeback...

WaitingforFI

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Will the CX-3 D be coming to the US?

ASH8

Someone will think of it Charlie ( new ND with 2.5 Turbo)..

Anyway, IMO Mazda will be making a HUGE mistake if they go 2.5l 4 cylinder Turbo in a 7 Seat CX-9 (provided the new CX-9 is a 7 seater?, and I see no reason for it not to be).
It is just not going to wash in the market.

Yes we know by now (or should do) that Ford engines are finished for Mazda (no 3.7l V6 anymore)...yeah, bye Ford, you got what you wanted.

Mazda has to design and make it's own V6, not to have any V6 is just stupid.
The reason why the brilliant new Mazda 6 is not a great seller in USA is because it has no V6 and the 2.2 SA diesel, well that is just not going to happen for some time yet for the USA (if ever, now).

Mazda has to make a Skyactiv V6 of at least 3.5 litres...

As for the new white ceramic I have not looked in my local showroom for CX-3 (DK) as there are none, only a Soul Red demo....I think the colour looks a little dirty?

MAZDA YOU NEED A V6 FOR CX-9 AND GJ MAZDA 6!.....NOW!

Run for cover!

ASH8

Nope.. No DK CX-3 Diesel for you...

zoom44

is DK the platform name?

zoom44

and i want the CX-9 to be more like my Mazda 5. the Mazda 5is much easier to get in and out of than the CX-9 is especially from the wayyy back. No more Mazda 5 here so they should give the 9 the dual side sliding doors of the 5 and the easier step through to the back. the 5 is a better 6 seater than the 9 is a 7 seater

ASH8

Model Code or Car Line..

DK is CX-3
DE,DH old Mazda 2, Demio
DJ new Mazda 2
BA,BC,BD,BE,BF,BG,BH,BJ,BK,BL,BM 323,Familia,Mazda 3.
KE CX-5
FE,SE RX-8
NA,NB,NC,ND MX-5,Miata,Roadster
SA,FB,FC,FD RX-7
GC,GD,GE,GF,GG,GH,GJ 626fwd, or Mazda 6 or Capella
Letter "I' is never used as it can be mistaken for #1

SayNoToPistons

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I really don't think Mazda needs a V6. They can easily get away with more than enough power (and efficiency) with a turbo 4 cyl. All mass selling model from other manufacturers are using turbo 4's in place of their previous 6 cylinders. They provide equal or greater power and far superior efficiency, of course sacrificing linearity of power in the process.

BMW's current turbo 4 mated with their ZF 8 speed is by far my favorite combination. Having driven their previous N-series I6 engines, they don't offer any where near the efficiency the turbo 4 does, nor are they any quicker. I do like the character of their 6 though.

ASH8

Put 7 people with that turbo 4 cylinder and see how it performs ..

I have yet to come across any turbo engine which does not give turbo problems within a few years, I personally just don't like them.

Every CX-7-Mazdaspeed3 made has had Turbo problems (ford engine).
Every diesel Mazda has sold, past and present, Turbo problems...Including current Skyactiv Diesels.

When it comes to carrying a lot of weight (7 people), there is no replacement for displacement
A 4000lb CX-9 with a turbo 2.5 plus 4 passengers...yeah right.

I can tell you now if Mazda goes down this road of a turbo 2.5 for a new CX-9 to compete at the top end of SUV's every journalist will say it is fantastic with one person driving, add weight...?

Mazda was going to use the 2.2 diesel which might have worked for US, but that has gone out the window.

We will see, they could even just keep it as a large 5 seater SUV, smaller is size, less weight, more like a CX-7.

I know now Mazda wont make a 6 cylinder engine, but they need one in their line up.
Not to have one now in the US Mazda 6 is just dumb, now the diesel wont make it there.

JCrane82

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I think with some tricks (direct injection and variable scroll turbo) you can get very good numbers out of a turbo four. And I am not just talking about peak HP or torque numbers, I am talking about the area under the curve.....which is much more important that peak power numbers.

I would also like to see the new CX-9 to weight around 3800 pounds. The new CX-5 AWD claims a 3,400 pound weight. I would like to hope that 3800 pounds for the CX-9 is achievable.

My wife has a 2010 CX-9 GT AWD....and whenever I drive it, I almost always overshoot my first braking zone on the street. She is a very big girl! (the CX-9, not my wife....)

ASH8

Yeah, I drove (shared) a new CX-9 when they first came out in Australia with a few mates from Mazda for a 3 hour return drive, they are BIG!..
2 in front, another in the back, and many new Mazda parts in boot (trunk for you) going up the long steep Adelaide Hills it was struggling a little even with its V6...great for an SUV.

ASH8

Well it looks like a Turbo (2.5l) is happening and Mazdaspeed (MPS) will also soon break free, again.

While Mazda Japan has not confirmed, a Turbo is about to start production.

Plus there are 4 new 'derivative' models which will have the Mazdaspeed treatment and will all be 4WD.

Mazda 3, 6 and yes even new MX-5, or could be CX-3.

Plus a new CX-9, with the 2.5 T.

Also apparently a comeback of the CX-7, a stretched version if the CX-5.

MattMPS

i'm quite interested to the transmission options....

nycgps

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yeah ... turbo + at = booo failed ...

zoom44

they are discontinuing the Mazda 5 so apparently this new CX-7 is it's replacement UGGH. the Mazda 5 is a great package as a 3 row hauler and as I said before the sliding side doors are what makes the vehicle so accessible.

replacing that with a normal door cx-7 is a great way to have current Mazda 5 owners shop some other brand.

GIVE US A KODO AWD MAZDA 5!!!



:sla p:

fmzambon

I can't seem to find any reference to these 4 new MPS/Mazdaspeed vehicles. Do you have any source you can share?
As far as I know the 3 MPS is often mentioned, and the Mx-5 MPS was also hinted at a few months ago. Then there's the 6 MPS, just because the last generation was also available in MPS trim. But it's just guesswork unless there is some reliable source. And what's the 4th MPS vehicle anyway?

Also, given the timing of the initial post (coinciding with the release of the financial results for FY2015 by Mazda) (Only looked at the day of the initial post, not the month. DOH However, the post I quoted is actually from the day after the release of the financial results ), it this MPS/Mazdaspeed comeback somehow related to the "structural reform stage 2" plan described by Mazda in their presentation documents?

Presentation document (see page 23 onward for details on the new plan)

The plan aims to launch 5 "carlines" (I assume it is a synonym with "model"?) between march 2016 and march 2019, with 4 being new models and one being a derivative. I doubt that all of the MPS versions could be considered new models. If anything they may be classified as derivatives, but only one such vehicle is in the plan.
So what's the deal? 4 new models + 1 derivative model + 4 MPS/Mazdaspeed versions? Or what? And what would these 4 new models be? Cx-7 may be one, perhaps some all-new versions of existing Skyactiv cars (like the 3)? And why not the Rx-7? And the derivative may be the rumored 6 coupè?

Andrea.

ASH8

My source are those working in Mazda, in Australia, and it has also been mentioned in local on-line car news here...

Off course a new MPS or MS can be considered a new model, it is a derivative off existing.
And the 4th is the CX-9 (turbo)

Look I cant find all the links right now..it is all very credible as the Ford V6 (the only ford designed engine left at Mazda) and used in current CX-9 is now finished.

As they cant sell Diesels in USA for whatever stupid bs US reasons, Mazda has to either design and make a V6 for the all new CX-9, or go with a Turbo 4, they can not just use the 2.5 NA in a CX-9, it will never sell enough and be a laughing stock.

Mazda has to beef up lots of engine parts to use a Turbo in SA-G, CX-9 is a limited seller, so it makes perfect sense to transfer a SA-G Turbo and all its design elements to a 3, 6 CX-9, and either the 2 or CX-3...there are your 4.

I did not bookmark...(if you can search around in Italy you might find an original (April, 2015) report on it.

New Mazda3 MPS set for 4WD

Mazda3 MPS rumoured for 2016 - motoring.com.au

Mazda3 MPS to have turbo 2.5-litre, AWD: Car News | CarsGuide

Once Mazda gets all their all new SA models out (ND MX-5 and then new CX-9) and production settles you will see them...they have been very busy.

fmzambon

Thank you ASH8, but I'm not sure we are on the same page

I'm aware that Mazda is trying as hard as it can to get rid of every Ford item that is left in their cars, and the V6 is one of these. Since the NA 2.5 liter isn't powerful enough, something else is needed, which will likely be a turbo version of said engine.

And I'm also aware that the production numbers of the Cx-9 are not large enough to cover the development costs of such an engine, so it makes complete sense to try and use it in other cars. The 3, 6 and Cx-5 are farily obvious cadidates, as they are already offered with the 2.2 liter twin turbo diesel, so fitting a 2.5 liter single turbo gas engine shouldn't be a problem as far as the available room under the hood is concerned.

Now, calling such turbo 2.5-powered 3 and 6 (and possibly other models) MPS / MS models seems perfectly legit, but calling the turbo 2.5 Cx-9 an MPS / MS model when that engine is the only engine option doesn't sound right to me. That's why including the Cx-9 in the count of the 4 MPS / MS models doesn't sound good IMHO.
I suspect the misunderstanding is that I asked what the 4 MPS / MS models will be, and your reply was about which models will use the turbo 2.5, which may not be the same set of cars.

Also, another thing I'm not sure of is this: are these new MPS/MS models the 4+1 new models that were mentioned int he "structural reform stage 2" plan? This was the question that led to the subquestion of the classification of MPS / MS models as either new or derivative models. If I had to choose how to define a 3 MPS, for example, I'd classify it as a derivative of the 3, not as a completely new model. But the plan I linked calls for 4 new models and only one derivative, hence my confusion.

BTW, last I heard the problems with the diesels in the US had to do with the fuel quality. Mazda had to lower the engine output to unacceptable levels to get their engine to work with US diesel fuels, so they went back to the drawing board. At least this is what I remember reading somewhere (sorry, don't have a link).