gwilliams6

2016 Mazda CX-9 Signature Release Date, Price and Specs - Roadshow

Found this one, hope it was not posted already

Cheers

Jedi54

iTrader: (7)

saw one on the road yesterday; that's a sharp looking SUV!

ASH8

Finally a decent promo/ad without all the waffle (talking and crap), this one has real class and shoots the message without being 'dictated to', the new Japan boss @ MNAO must be making his marketing experience happening.
The best Vid I have seen from Mazda USA in years.....

gwilliams6

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/2016-M...verview-c25643

This review says Mazda does offer rearseat DVD entertainment as an option in the CX9 . Go figure ?

zoom44

test drove one yesterday. plenty of power, comfortable and quiet. the napa and rosewood are really nice. i'd go for either a touring awd with the bells and whistles available or jump up to the Signature. Going from touring to grand touring doesn't make sense price wise

yomomspimp06

Did anyone notice the "look back" before going into the house? Yup, she bought the right car

Are-Ex-Eight

iTrader: (1)

I think I would have to get the Grand Touring to get the HUD. It's pretty slick, my tester had it.

zoom44

HUD comes in the Signature. my tester was the Signature

ASH8

"Plently" of power?, yup at normal driving, but at highway speeds it has no puff, add in fully loaded, with 4,5, or 7 passengers, luggage, it would be and is a slug or a snail, sadly.

Most reviews I have read by 'guys' who drive/test them all (SUV's with V6's) have said the same, above 60 MPH on highway, the TC is a normal 2.5 4 cylinder banger with no bang..

Don't get me wrong, I think the new CX-9 is brilliant, BUT...

Mazda needs their own SA-V6...
Subaru are pulling Mazda pants down year after year in US (they have V6's).

In the US no V6 is really hurting sales, for the Mazda 6 (again from many journalists) are saying where is the V6, remember you guys never got the Diesels, and I doubt ever will now.

Ask GM/BMW/MB how diesels are now selling in US thanks to the Germans.(VW).
Diesel Car Sales Tumble in U.S. - WSJ

Even here in Oz the 6's sales are average (and we have the 2.2 Diesel), many ask where is a gasoline V6, again a big car with a small engine, fine if you are the lightweight Japanese people or a one person driver, add more weight (like a passenger) and it is a slug.

Mazda can do this, their CNC mills are set up (capable of) to make a V6 engine block and head, crank. (confirmed from Mazda).

hornbm

iTrader: (1)

^^^ This x 1000

They NEED a V6. I'm in the market to get something for my wife. Been looking at the cx-5 and cx-9, but sorry- I'm not going to consider it unless there is a v6.

I may end up getting a used Audi Q5. That can be had with a supercharged v6. Now we're talking.

Take note Mazda. Real life potential customer being turned off by your 4 cylinder only lineup. Power matters.

After having spent a bit of time in Japan, I can understand their 4 cylinder only strategy makes total sense there. The in town speeds are just lower, the average power output of everything is lower, and quite frankly, for Japan its totally fine. Highway speeds rarely go over 100KPH.

In the US, the complete lack of power just doesn't work. Our roads are big and wide, and in town speeds are nearly double the average speed in Japan. For a car that was designed for the US (CX-9), they sure didn't give it an engine designed for the US.

Bladecutter

You are 1 customer.
For every 1 of you, there were 57,897 other customers in the US last year who decided that the lack of a V-6 engine in the Mazda 6 wasn't a deal breaker.

Mazda has sold more Mazda 6's in 2014 and 2015 with just the SA-G 2.5 in comparison to 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013.

You can't say the same about Canadian sales, however.
Apparently, Canadians are power hungry *****'s.

Mazda isn't planning on building an in-house V-6.
They barely wanted to create the Turbo SA-G 2.5, and the CX-9.

The CX-9 averages ~24,600 sales per year in the US.
There isn't enough justification in that tiny amount of yearly sales for a V-6.

And don't forget how much it would additionally cost to get that motor EPA and CARB certified. Plus all the dealer training for sales and repair staff. No financial justification.

You're going to see a new rotary engine for sale before you see another V-6 from Mazda.

BC.

Bladecutter

I'm sorry, but Subaru isn't beating Mazda in sales because of their 6 cylinder engine options. Subaru beats Mazda in sales because ALL of their vehicles except the BRZ offers all wheel drive.

What do you think is the take rate on 6 cylinder equipped Legacy and Outback, anyway? I'm guessing about 10% or less. I live in Colorado, home of Subaru sales, and I would guess that the take rate here is more like 5%.

Their 2.0 Turbo engine is the go to high power engine for their smaller vehicles, like the Forester and the WRX, by the way. And do you know what it does? It makes more torque than the 3.6 Flat -6 engine. 6 hp less, but more torque.

And what model of Subaru competes directly with the CX-9, anyway?
I can't seem to figure that out.

BC.

ASH8

If you believe Mazda 6 sales are great then I suggest you look at the numbers from Subaru and the rest of the mill (class) which Mazda 6 competes in, as it is no where near what Mazda was expecting for a class leading car which the 6 is, just not IF you want Power.

Mazda has AWD too (they make it in every model), and that is not the only reason why Subaru have doubled their market share in the last 5 years in USA, I think they had 4WD back then?.

Really a 2.5 only CX-9, Mazda wanted to put the 1.5 in the ND MX-5 only, even for the US market, So how dopey would that have been, until the US (MNAO) said you must make a 2.0 rwd engine.

We will see how well the CX-9 runs (sales) as it has just gone on market.

As for a Rotary?, we can keep dreaming, and at that want cost for Mazda in EPA and CAFE?

A Mazda made/designed SA-V6 would be installed in the CX-9 and Mazda 6, so the sky is the limit for sales, potentially at least 100,000 sales a year (min) way more than any Rotary Engine, and is justifiable we are not in a fuel (gas) crisis right now, V6's are selling in record numbers.

gwilliams6

ASH, yes it would be great if Mazda had a Skyactive V-6 option, but I don't see it happening as long as the 2.5 liter keeps selling worldwide. If sales lag vs its V-6 competitors, then Mazda would consider it. (I am sure somewhere in Mazda engineering, they have done work on a V-6 Skyactive. But do the hp numbers justify the perhaps less fuel economy and added weight?)

I think we get a Skyactive RX vision in 2020. Let see if Mazda has a Skyactive V-6 by then.

zoom44

and yet in the US I can't get it on a Mazda 3 or Mazda 6



600 in May with only 1 week of sales in the US

Love_Hounds

I would definitely consider a new 3 or 6 if AWD was an option.

yomomspimp06

a new speed6 would make me happy.

ASH8

Some MMC Production Vids on the making of new CX-9, Ujina Plant, Hiroshima.

PAINT SHOP

STAMPING

ENGINE MAKING (SA-GT) 2.5T

ASSEMBLY

gwilliams6

Thanks ASH !

gwilliams6

2016 Mazda CX-9 First Drive - Kelley Blue Book

Kelley Blue Book thinks the 2.5l Skyactic engine gamble will pay off, interesting.

ASH8

All new TC CX-9 on sale today in Australia.

Jedi54

iTrader: (7)

Mazda's new turbo four fits in both the 6 and the 3 - Autoblog

^^^ interesting.
c'mon Mazda, make it so!

ASH8

The 2.5T will happen in the Mazda 6, it has to as 'it' needs more POWER and since the diesels wont happen in North America (if ever), it is either a V6 or the 4 cylinder 2.5T from TC CX-9.

Seriously, the new 6 is a fantastic car, just OK for a single occupant (driver) or a 140lb (70kg) Japanese person, but put in 4 overweight (fat) Australians or Americans and it is a gutless dog, let alone anything in the boot/trunk.

IMO, IF they go as MAZDASPEED they can only be AWD, particularly IF it goes in Mazda 3.
Torque Steer is too much of an issue with FWD only, like old MS3.
But that adds (AWD) $2K onto the price??

77mjd

Using the 2.5T, this is what needs to happen to the 6, and it needs to happen yesterday.

ASH8

2016 Mazda CX-9 range | GoAuto - Our Opinion


""For starters, the 2.5-litre four-pot turbo petrol is a peach, stepping off the line smartly, pulling forward eagerly, and leaving plenty in reserve for safe overtaking. In real-world, around-town commuting situations, the performance is as sparkling as it is refined. Mazda also promises the CX-9 is the most economical non-diesel or hybrid vehicle of its type in its class, placing a very delicious cherry on top of a sporty powertrain experience.

Just as heartening is the sharp steering, offering precision and feedback without feeling nervous or unsure. We drove both the front-drive and all-wheel drive variants in teeming rain, and felt that the chassis’ roadholding grip and composure were first class.

No longer does the Ford Territory monopolise the driving enthusiast in this segment.

Finally, something about the ride quality. Even on the 20-inch wheel and tyre combo, the short, sharp harshness that defines, say, the biggest-wheeled Mazda6 has been banished; yes, the suspension is firm, but it is never punishing or uncomfortable, soaking up the bumps and irregularities like a well-engineered set-up should. That said, the standard 18-inch tyre spec is even better, gaining a suppleness that virtually every other seven-seater SUV (except, perhaps, the Territory) could never match without optional air suspension or trick electronic dampers. Our Japanese contender has neither and doesn’t suffer for it.

Our only real disappointment is that no manual is available – nobody would buy one of course, but this excellent crossover cries out for one. Oh, and Mazda’s beaut little 2.2-litre turbo-diesel would have made it complete. Oh well, we can’t have it all…

So there you go – the latest CX-9 meets brand expectations for quality, value, economy, and practicality, and then smashes them to pieces with exceptional driver enjoyment, refinement, comfort, and design.

Of course, we now crave to spend more time in what we believe is the best modern Mazda passenger vehicle on sale, but until then, we implore you not to buy a Toyota Kluger, Nissan Pathfinder, Kia Sorrento, Hyundai Santa Fe, or Holden Captiva before sampling the latest CX-9 first. It is Hiroshima at its fiercest as well as finest.""

This from an Aussie Auto industry publication, Wow some endorsement...!!!