Steiner

http://www.forbesautos.com/advice/toptens/fastest.html

My car made the list. No other Japanese cars did though. The Ford GT and the Corvette were the only American cars. Anyhooo...just a shameless plug. :D

BlueEyes

911 Turbo?
911 GT2?
911 GT3?

rotarygod

They only tested 0-60. That's it. I'll bet the 1/4 mile times would change the results some. How about top speed? How about cornering? Braking? The Lancer is definitely quick to 60 though. The bad thing about all wheel drive cars is that while they may get off the line fast, they typically have low trap speeds.

Rhawb

Er, forgive me for not being up on my magazine numbers, but if the Evo made that list, where's the STi? Isn't the Evo just a hair faster than the STi, so shouldn't the STi still be on there?

Also, it seems like they missed a whole lot of cars on that list.

rotarygod

The Evo is apparently faster to 60 mph than the STi. That's why I mention the 1/4 mile times would change the outcome.

Hornet

Actually, as far as I remember the only categories that you may have a point on for against the Evo is 1/4 mile times and top speed! Otherwise the Evo pretty much outhandles and outbrakes about any car under a Vettes price range! Just from what I remember!

Ike

Many publications have the STi faster than the Evo to 60, but it's close enough that it's a tossup and whoevers stats they used tested the Evo as faster this time.


Edit: 4.3 0-60 for the Evo, I don't think so, KBB is on crack.

Steiner

They listed the Evo RS, which is a stripped down version of the Evo. It's about 100lbs lighter the other Evos or STi's. That's why it's 0-60mph time was so good.

Don't get me wrong...it's a skewed test. But it's a nice feeling to know that if you pull up next to some guy in a Carrera S at a stoplight it'll be a close race. Nobody on is taking this to mean the Evo is a better car than the others on that list. It's just sorta cool when you look at that list and see a 4 door $30k econobox on there. The Evo is a real overachiever.

th1rd3y3

I'm not sure how the gearing is on the Evo, but I know it takes 3 shifts to get to 60 in the STi. I would imagine with a 5-speed it wouldn't be geared that way, which I would assume is why the 0-60 is usually lower in the Evo.

I could be wrong though, I've never driven a normal Evo, just an MR, and it was such a short drive I don't recall what the gearing was like anyways.

GotBass

The viper sould fall in somewere around 5 or 6. It has a 3.9-4.1 0 to 60 depending on the which magazine. The best road test of the Evo I remember got around 4.5.

3 Shifts? So you need to bring it into 4th gear?

Tirminyl

Yes.

dpm

You dont need do shift to 4th to get to 60 in an sti. That would be rediculous.

Saint_Spinner

Yeah, that was a stupid article...I always thought the SRT-10 was faster than the c6. Why wasn't that on there? And CL65? Isn't the SL65 faster?

army_rx8

dumb

Ike

Yep, I think the shift to 3rd is 50-55mph. The STi also has more lowend and the AWD system is better for launching so it usually more than makes up for the extra shift.

Steiner

I think the best magazine time anybody has pulled off with an '05 Evo RS was 13.13 @104.7mph. Not sure where those other exotic cars rank but I think the Evo's time is pretty much in the middle of the pack.

BTW...apparently there's a guy who cracked his bone-stock, full interior '05 RS into the high 12's. I've yet to see the time slip posted on EvoM but I wouldn't be surprised to hear of a factory freak getting into the 12's at a good track and in good weather.

th1rd3y3

No 2nd gear ends right around 55mph, so you need to go to third. Although I said 3 shifts, I meant you need to go to third before 60. I was for some reason counting first as a shift :p

FoxTypeR

I would actually believe that the CL65 is faster than the SL65 to 60. The problem with the SL is that as a roadster, it has an immense forward weight bias and as such, it takes a bit traction hit. It's a hard car to launch properly because it has over 600 hp 700 lb-ft of torque. I believe Car and Driver's exact words were:

Some might argue that the 604 horsepower and 738 pound-feet of torque packed into the SL65 AMG are too much power and thrust for a road car. They're wrong.
No, the SL65 doesn't have too much power. Its problem is it wasn't given a commensurate helping of traction.

Though I would take the roadster looks over the coupe any day, I love the SL(K) Benz look in silver/grey.

djgiron

Haha and for 738 lb-ft of torque you would need 2' wide tires and a drivetrain made of unobtanium!

VikingDJ

I don't think the Evo or the STI should even be in that list, because there's no way in hell the Evo RS does 0 to 60 in 4.3 seconds.That number is WRONG. I guess that writer is an Evo owner. The Evo does not fit in that category of cars.

JOHNRX8

Where's the VIPER?

Rx8bydocabe

where's the RX8??

Steiner

Motor Trend did it in 4.3 with an '05 RS...

http://motortrend.com/roadtests/sedan/112_0503_evos11_z

Motor Trend did it last year in 4.4 with an '04 RS...

http://motortrend.com/roadtests/seda...2_first_mitsu/

Sport Compact Car did it last year in 4.8 with an '04 RS...

http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/fe...0406scc_evo02/

Considering the '05 Evo puts down another 20whp/20wtq over the '03 and '04 model I think it's possible...although I've never done it myself. :p

RotaryManiac

I know the new evo IX was rated at 4.4 in 0-60. so i dont see why the RS couldnt possibly get those numbers with a good driver and good conditions.

VikingDJ

I stand corrected. Now that I think about it, the EVO is geared to achieve these numbers, and when you make a stripped down RS version, that reduced weight can alter that 0 to 60 time. I do find it amazing that it's a full 4 tenths of a second faster from 0 to 60, and 3-4 tenths faster in 1/4 mile for motor trends testing of all the 05 Evolutions. It takes both EVO VIII and EVO MR out pretty nicely in 0 to 60 and 1/4 mile times. I am wondering though if that is good or bad marketing wise, to make your cheaper base model outperform the other two, but at same time it can be smart because it gives people option to either go plain, or sacrifice some speed for more amenities. This is almost making the EVO MR a complete waste of time and money IMO. But I do think that time is very misleading being put up with those other cars in top ten, because after 0 to 60, those cars will be tearing that EVO a new one.