2014 New Mazda RX 8
2014 New Mazda RX 8
03-06-2011, 11:19 PM
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^ just googled it...interesting...very interesting LOL
that's the article:
http://www.roadandtrack.com/future-cars/2014-mazda-rx-8
that's the article:
http://www.roadandtrack.com/future-cars/2014-mazda-rx-8
03-07-2011, 08:28 AM
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I believe that's the Mazda 靭 Concept released 6 months ago or something, here are some videos:
CG:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocAf9...eature=related
Real car:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sb-iH...feature=fvwrel
CG:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocAf9...eature=related
Real car:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sb-iH...feature=fvwrel
03-07-2011, 03:29 PM
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Wouldn't it be great? But I really think the business case for doing another rotary gas guzzler is pretty dim. Any efficiencies squeezed out by going direct injection will be negated by the larger 16X displacement. So in the best case scenario we have another 20 mpg car putting out at most 300hp. The journos will damn it with faint praise over the fine handling but the rotary gas guzzling stigma will carry on.
Meanwhile Nissan drop a 3L turbo V6 into their next gen RWD cars and get 30mpg all day long. Mazda looks like a bunch of eco-terrorists in 2014.
Since it's unlikely that Mazda will actually ditch the rotary, I'm guessing they will try their hand at turbo again. They'd have to be crazy to do another NA rotary car that get less MPG than the new F-150.
Meanwhile Nissan drop a 3L turbo V6 into their next gen RWD cars and get 30mpg all day long. Mazda looks like a bunch of eco-terrorists in 2014.
Since it's unlikely that Mazda will actually ditch the rotary, I'm guessing they will try their hand at turbo again. They'd have to be crazy to do another NA rotary car that get less MPG than the new F-150.
03-07-2011, 06:01 PM
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^ I have to agree completely with the above statement. Is Mazda out of it's corporate mind, just give it up. Just look at North American sales of the R3, just pitiful. I'm a rotary lover but it just not practical any more with the world economy in the state it's in and every dwindling supply of fossil fuels.
03-08-2011, 09:08 AM
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I am The One!
I'm surprised to read some of the responses regarding the newly anticipated Skyactive Rotary being developed.
If the engineers gave up the same way you guys did, we would probably never have rotary engine vehicles.
For what it's worth, Mazda will always have a rotary vehicle in its stable. It might not meet all the expectations from some people, but at least they're willing to develop an engine that has the best future possible for it.
As we all know, fossil fuel is finite. The future will always be hydrogen. This whole electric phase is just that, a phase. The only way to get to hydrogen is too keep refining the gas burning equivalent.
I for one can't wait to see the new Skyactive Rotary 16X. And I applaud Mazda for continuing to make cars that involve the driver. Unlike alot of other brands.
If the engineers gave up the same way you guys did, we would probably never have rotary engine vehicles.
For what it's worth, Mazda will always have a rotary vehicle in its stable. It might not meet all the expectations from some people, but at least they're willing to develop an engine that has the best future possible for it.
As we all know, fossil fuel is finite. The future will always be hydrogen. This whole electric phase is just that, a phase. The only way to get to hydrogen is too keep refining the gas burning equivalent.
I for one can't wait to see the new Skyactive Rotary 16X. And I applaud Mazda for continuing to make cars that involve the driver. Unlike alot of other brands.
03-08-2011, 09:42 AM
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Love it
Love that they are keeping the suicide doors, in 3 years, i'll probably be looking to get a new car, RX-9 here I come :D, at that point the rx8 becomes the track machine.
the rear door looks a little bigger even, do you guys think the car will be a bit longer, more room in the back?
Either way, perfect for the wheelchair, hopefully the fuel efficiency will be a bit better as they say, but we don't want to loose our zoom-zoom either.
Love it, hopefully they make it like it's shown, and hopefully someone will make clear / tinted side markers for it, like they do for the current 8's, it would give it a more slick look.
I guess you can always just get it tinted aftermarket too.
the rear door looks a little bigger even, do you guys think the car will be a bit longer, more room in the back?
Either way, perfect for the wheelchair, hopefully the fuel efficiency will be a bit better as they say, but we don't want to loose our zoom-zoom either.
Love it, hopefully they make it like it's shown, and hopefully someone will make clear / tinted side markers for it, like they do for the current 8's, it would give it a more slick look.
I guess you can always just get it tinted aftermarket too.
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03-08-2011, 11:39 AM
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Ummmm hate to be the nay say'r ... but I've been following this thread.
https://www.rx8club.com/general-automotive-49/no-plan-new-rotary-end-maybe-210667/
I wouldn't hold your breath boyz and girlz
https://www.rx8club.com/general-automotive-49/no-plan-new-rotary-end-maybe-210667/
I wouldn't hold your breath boyz and girlz
03-08-2011, 01:34 PM
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I do note that the two Sky piston engines use 14:1 compression. I am curious if Mazda is considering such a high compression in the 16X. If so, it would have an advantage in oxides of nitrogen emissions. Even if they can't get the even internal temperatures to be able to use 14:1 compression, I'd like to see a 14:1 expansion ratio. If the larger diameter lets the engine have a higher compression ration and expansion ratio, it might well use less fuel, especially at idle where the Renesis is pretty pathetic.
03-08-2011, 06:42 PM
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RIP Mx-3. Hello Rx-8!
http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/9646D6550FBAEE6DCA2577C0008045DA" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.autoweek.com/article/20101020/CARNEWS/101029989" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
MAZDA has re-affirmed its commitment to the brand’s trademark rotary engine technology, this time for personal reasons from the very top.
Mazda has set an ambitious 50 per cent fuel consumption reduction target for its next-generation rotary engine, which will be dubbed the ‘Sky Rotary’ if it meets the same efficiency targets achieved by the company’s ground-breaking Sky G petrol engine family.
a more focussed two-seat successor for the long-lamented RX-7 coupe has been consistently called for by Mazda fans and even executives within the company itself, mostly recently including design chief Ikou Maeda – son of original RX-7 designer Matasaburo Maeda – who described a new RX-7 as his dream.
During a visit to Melbourne in April, Mazda’s global sales, marketing and customer service boss, Masazumi Wakayama, told GoAuto that his company’s resources would not allow the development of a third sportscar beyond the MX-5 and RX-8. [...] GoAuto understands it is highly unlikely to wear the iconic RX-7 badge, which Mazda insiders say will be preserved in history rather than being potentially tarnished by an inevitably heavier, larger successor.
Despite the rotary engine's delay and swirling rumors about its future, Mazda says dropping the program isn't an option.
Said Hitomi: “We will never give up.”
Said Hitomi: “We will never give up.”
03-08-2011, 07:03 PM
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I believe the current vehicle like the one in the vid's above is a Mazda 6 lol. That is a big 4dr car. I have some nice Camry SE's if you guys don't want to wait lol!
03-14-2011, 02:48 PM
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my other car is a 787b
Interesting reading -- and nice to see the concept car in the metal! I'd be happy for Mazda to take that concept design language to the new rx- cars. Little worried about going up market again, but happy to see some positive press on the 16x. . . fingers crossed.
03-14-2011, 03:13 PM
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RIP Mx-3. Hello Rx-8!
Anything we read isn't necessarilly right or wrong. Read one thing one week, and another the next. I know they're a few months old, but just to point out the stance that Mazda (Japan) had not that long ago. I just trust what I read until it actually happens, or some sort of official press release.
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03-14-2011, 03:21 PM
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The only issues with the rotaries going forward will be horsepower/fuel economy vs the competition. I truly love my 13B P.Port but its not a viable source in dollars to horsepower. I will give you an honest example. We built our engine 2 years ago using all new parts except for the ignition and carburetor. The retail value of the parts was in excess of $12,000.00 cdn, and add labor with machining,assembly and clearancing you have a $15,000 engine that makes about 300-330 hp. You can buy a V8 crate motor made with brand new parts that makes 720 HP for the same money or less and the fuel milage isnt that much different. The 3-rotor of years ago was the closest they came to decent power for the money invested but for some reason Mazda has abandoned it. The rotary engine seems to be behind in power before it ever comes to market in most cases. 300 Horsepower is an entry level performance engine in 2011 and think of what that number will be by 2014.
Maybe they will re examine the 20B and make a 400+ hp engine using all the new technologies to get fuel/emission up to standard.
Maybe they will re examine the 20B and make a 400+ hp engine using all the new technologies to get fuel/emission up to standard.
03-14-2011, 03:59 PM
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Anything we read isn't necessarilly right or wrong. Read one thing one week, and another the next. I know they're a few months old, but just to point out the stance that Mazda (Japan) had not that long ago. I just trust what I read until it actually happens, or some sort of official press release.
06-25-2012, 08:43 PM
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RIP Mx-3. Hello Rx-8!
Funny, that's a question that's never honestly answered. People all comment in messge boards and on Facebook pages about how much they would want one, what they want and want to see, but only a fraction will want and be actualy able to walk in a dealer, and put the cash down; actually put their money where their mouth is.
Would I buy one, yes....eventually (and probably, but there's never a guarantee).
I would never buy new as a project car, cause I void warranties, so Mazda wouldn't take into account me as a customer since they wouldn't make money on me and add to their sales, which is numbers they need to keep a car in production, recoup their R&D costs, and make money.
My first car, my Mx-3, I had for 9 years. My Xterra, my second, has been currently with me for over 4 with plenty of life left. My Rx-8, hasn't even been 2, and I haven't even gotten started! Realistically, I wouldn't be buying a new generation rotary for a while.
Would I buy one, yes....eventually (and probably, but there's never a guarantee).
I would never buy new as a project car, cause I void warranties, so Mazda wouldn't take into account me as a customer since they wouldn't make money on me and add to their sales, which is numbers they need to keep a car in production, recoup their R&D costs, and make money.
My first car, my Mx-3, I had for 9 years. My Xterra, my second, has been currently with me for over 4 with plenty of life left. My Rx-8, hasn't even been 2, and I haven't even gotten started! Realistically, I wouldn't be buying a new generation rotary for a while.
06-25-2012, 09:42 PM
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I for one think they will make another rotary, and as fuel prices climb and the costs to maintain a sports car as a result go up - rare and unique cars will do well for those who have the means and will be very desirable. Don't look at it like a car model to sell as your typical Honda or Mazda 3... This is something different and that still has huge appeal to those who buy cars like when the FD was for sale and used to compete with the Porsche 911 territory back in the 90's. Mazda made the mistake to make these cars as daily drivers and user friendly and that's just not what rotaries are about
In fact just based on the clues given in recent articles and it's rumored power - id expect a $55,000-$70,000 price range for one...I just hope they don't try and make it too mass appealing :/. (ie generic)
In fact just based on the clues given in recent articles and it's rumored power - id expect a $55,000-$70,000 price range for one...I just hope they don't try and make it too mass appealing :/. (ie generic)
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