http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=116868/pageId=102347

0-60: 5.9
1/4: 14.2@100.1
60-0: 116 ft
slalom: 68.2mph
skidpad: .88g

RX8-like performance with practicality, good mileage, modabilty (eventually), for thousands less. Hmmmm....

Nice review. I'd definitely consider this car if I had the money.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=116868/pageId=102347

0-60: 5.9
1/4: 14.2@100.1
60-0: 116 ft
slalom: 68.2mph
skidpad: .88g

RX8-like performance with practicality, good mileage, modabilty (eventually), for thousands less. Hmmmm....

RX8-like? You mean 'RX8-Beating performance'? It's MUCH faster through the 1/4 mile, and seems to change lanes and stick to the pavement 'as' well as the rx8. Oh - it's substantially less expensive, too!

;)

All very true, but it still doesn't have RWD-handling or a 9k RPM redline or sexy looks.

BUT, if I had 25grand, I'm not saying I'd buy one over the other. I'd seriously consider the MS3 and take it for a test drive for sure. It's faster, cheaper, better on gas, and probably less maintenance in the long run.

It's a great car for peanuts. Can't get anything but maybe a crappy Dodge Caliber SRT-4 for the price.

If I was looking for a new car, I'd probably take the Mazda 3 Touring over an RX-8.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=116868/pageId=102347

0-60: 5.9
1/4: 14.2@100.1
60-0: 116 ft
slalom: 68.2mph
skidpad: .88g

RX8-like performance with practicality, good mileage, modabilty (eventually), for thousands less. Hmmmm....

Also has BMW 330i and MS6 like performance, as per your sig., for thousands less. Hmmmm.....

RX8-like? You mean 'RX8-Beating performance'? It's MUCH faster through the 1/4 mile, and seems to change lanes and stick to the pavement 'as' well as the rx8. Oh - it's substantially less expensive, too!

;)

.03 sec. is MUCH faster? You're a stats queen aren't ya? And do you really think it handles as well as the RX8? What can I say to that. And price? Have you not checked what RX8's are actually selling for.

.03 sec. is MUCH faster? You're a stats queen aren't ya? And do you really think it handles as well as the RX8? What can I say to that. And price? Have you not checked what RX8's are actually selling for.
It's .3 seconds faster in the quarter (3 cars lengths) but forget the E/T, take a look at the trap speed... over a 100mph. That's pretty cool for a $23,000 car.
I'll wait for the Road & Track review, because that's who I trust for so-called "magazine racing". If they pull a 68+mph in the slalom with it, then the RX-8 guys better watch their rear view mirrors - your little brother is gonna beat ya up.

Mazda doesn't classically doesn't leave much headroom in their FI setups, but maybe this thing will wake up with a FMIC, catback, intake and boost controller.

MS6 has a lot of 'headroom'. It'll be a beast with a good exhaust + intake.

.03 sec. is MUCH faster? You're a stats queen aren't ya? And do you really think it handles as well as the RX8? What can I say to that. And price? Have you not checked what RX8's are actually selling for.


uh? brother? you are one to read only HALF the the stats, aren't you?

100mph vs 95mph = MUCH faster.

Not 'quicker'...as in 'time'...but FASTER as in Trap speeds. That 100mph trap speed tells me the prudent RX8 owner would NOT try to take a MS3 from ANY sort of a roll and expect to win.


RX8's, even the base models are several thousands more than MS3's - and MS3's are loaded :)

It's .3 seconds faster in the quarter (3 cars lengths) but forget the E/T, take a look at the trap speed... over a 100mph. That's pretty cool for a $23,000 car.
I'll wait for the Road & Track review, because that's who I trust for so-called "magazine racing". If they pull a 68+mph in the slalom with it, then the RX-8 guys better watch their rear view mirrors - your little brother is gonna beat ya up.

Mazda doesn't classically doesn't leave much headroom in their FI setups, but maybe this thing will wake up with a FMIC, catback, intake and boost controller.


See? YOU get it. :icon_tup: :D

Auto week loved the car, but they wanted better brakes so they could race it faster.

Auto week loved the car, but they wanted better brakes so they could race it faster.
Aftermarket brakes would solve that problem and be an easy mod.

I've been thinking about picking up another car lately...I was thinking about leasing the new GTI...but after reading this....I'm intrigued.

It's .3 seconds faster in the quarter (3 cars lengths) but forget the E/T, take a look at the trap speed... over a 100mph. That's pretty cool for a $23,000 car.
I'll wait for the Road & Track review, because that's who I trust for so-called "magazine racing". If they pull a 68+mph in the slalom with it, then the RX-8 guys better watch their rear view mirrors - your little brother is gonna beat ya up.

Mazda doesn't classically doesn't leave much headroom in their FI setups, but maybe this thing will wake up with a FMIC, catback, intake and boost controller.

Check out my updated post in the Mazdaspeed3 reviews (I also added this edmunds review). The IGN.com review mentions that Mazdaspeed accessories for the Mazdaspeed3... adds another 30hp and from info gathered in the reviews, it also includes coilovers and light-weight wheels.

I've been thinking about picking up another car lately...I was thinking about leasing the new GTI...but after reading this....I'm intrigued.

That's a tough one... GTI vs MS3. The GTI with stage 2 and aftermarket suspension should be able to hang with a MS3. Stage 3... I dunno about that... we'll see when kits hit the market.

The GTI does have a really sweet interior and you gotta love that steering wheel...

See? YOU get it. :icon_tup: :D
Buddy, actually I DO get it. MUCH faster is the 140mph trap speed of my bike. 4MPH or .03 seconds isn’t much faster when driving skill is involved. We all know the RX8 is hard to launch, but a high powered FWD is even harder. I don’t pay much heed to 4MPH or .03 sec., a trip down to your friendly neighborhood drag night would tell you the same.

And roll-ons are especially dependant on speed vs. gearing, so these fictitious speed challenges of yours have even more factors involved (is Eva Longoria your passenger in these fantasy races?). But I will concede, putting all factors aside, that a MS3 should pull a few lengths on a straightaway in most scenarios. Does this mean I should trade in my 8 on a boosted FWD hatchback as you seem to suggest? I guess I just don’t think like you types.

If they pull a 68+mph in the slalom with it, then the RX-8 guys better watch their rear view mirrors - your little brother is gonna beat ya up.

And Yaxman, if the MS3 DOES have handling stats like that, can you imagine how easily it would waste your GTO in corners? Even more so if Eva was distracting you in the passenger seat. :)

Buddy, actually I DO get it. MUCH faster is the 140mph trap speed of my bike. 4MPH or .03 seconds isn’t much faster when driving skill is involved.

4 or 5 MPH (or 8mph faster than MY rx8 ran in the 1/4) is SIGNIFIGANTLY Faster. Do you have any idea how much power it take to make, say, an RX8 run to 100mph in the 1/4 mile?


We all know the RX8 is hard to launch, but a high powered FWD is even harder. I don’t pay much heed to 4MPH or .03 sec., a trip down to your friendly neighborhood drag night would tell you the same.

What does that have to do with trap speed? Not much. If you don't care much about 4mph you aren't an experienced drag racer. If EDMONDS got that car to 14 flat in the 1/4, I bet there'll be dozens of cats around the country getting that car solidly into the 13s. And it's not .03 - it's .3. BIG difference. :) To beat somebody by three tenths is a SOLID beating.


And roll-ons are especially dependant on speed vs. gearing, so these fictitious speed challenges of yours have even more factors involved (is Eva Longoria your passenger in these fantasy races?).

Especially dependant on speed vs gearing? WTF does that mean? Look, you can whine and moan and get your panties twisted, but the fact remains, a ~3000lbs car which runs 100mph in the 1/4 mile is going to bring an ass-whopping on another ~3000lbs car which runs at 95mph. You don't have to believe me, but your unwillingness to reason doesn't change the fact that I'm right. That MS3 won't have SUPER tall gears - I bet gear by gear, the ratios won't be very far off the RX8.

But I will concede, putting all factors aside, that a MS3 should pull a few lengths on a straightaway in most scenarios. Does this mean I should trade in my 8 on a boosted FWD hatchback as you seem to suggest? I guess I just don’t think like you types.

Wow. you are VERY insecure about your car purchase, aren't you? Are you too big of an RX8 FanBoi to have the ability to look at another car and say "Yup. It's faster than mine."

LOTS of cars are faster than my RX8. The reason I still HAVE my rx8 is financial. I can't find a car which would do MORE for me, for the same money. But that's my business.

I don't think you are a Car enthusiast. I think you're a 'Whatever Car you own' enthusiast.

The following is a quote from Joseph Sobran I butchered to make sense for this conversation.

"[M]any RX8 owners admire RX8s for being the car they own, not for being Cars. For them cars they own have to be "the greatest car on earth" in order to be worthy of their devotion. If a car were only the 2nd-greatest, or the 19th-greatest, or, heaven forbid, "slower in the quarter mile," it would be virtually worthless.
This is immaturity, not being a 'car enthusiast'. 'Enthusiasm' is like family love. You love your family just for being your family, not for being "the greatest family on earth" (whatever that might mean) or for being "better" than other families. You don’t feel threatened when other people love their families the same way. On the contrary, you respect their love, and you take comfort in knowing they respect yours. You don’t feel your family is enhanced by feuding with other families."

The MS3 will likely be faster in MOST conditions than the typical RX8. Get over it.

c&d got 5.3s 0-60 out of it. newho you can zoom zoom all day, but you still need power to get your out of those corners. MS3 is no joke, i like a lot.

dmp, son, and I’ll call you that cause you sound about 16, read over my post again.

….if you still need clarification, what I’m trying to convey is that there are countless numbers of knobs on here starting threads stating “cheaper car X is way faster than your RX8.” Are they expecting RX8 owners everywhere will fall off their chairs in disbelief? “Dang Marge, could da’t be true?”

ALL OF US could have bought faster cars for less money. MOST OF US know that. So what’s the point in these threads, other then letting the mouth-breathers think they have a leg up on anybody.

Your quote;

You mean 'RX8-Beating performance'? It's MUCH faster through the 1/4 mile, and seems to change lanes and stick to the pavement 'as' well as the rx8. Oh - it's substantially less expensive, too!

It seems like you’re the one having doubts bud!

this is the general automotive section.... where we are supposed to discuss other cars.... if you dont like other people discussing other cars that are faster than the rx8, you can always stay in the RX8 discussion section :)

this is the general automotive section.... where we are supposed to discuss other cars.... if you dont like other people discussing other cars that are faster than the rx8, you can always stay in the RX8 discussion section :)

:)
This is a rx8 site where the original thread was comparing another car TO the Rx8, hence my comments :)

hey its a free country you can post anywhere, I just find it strange you say theres no point in these threads yet you are involved thats all.
carry on

dmp, son, and I’ll call you that cause you sound about 16, read over my post again.

9291150, idiot, I'll call you that because you sound like somebody who doesn't read very well... try www.hop.com I know you can't read very well, because you cannot counter ANYTHING I put before your last post here. You can't counter it so you get condescending and bitchy. As I've completely disarmed any argument you have in this thread. Howsit feel getting bested by a 16 year old?


….if you still need clarification, what I’m trying to convey is that there are countless numbers of knobs on here starting threads stating “cheaper car X is way faster than your RX8.” Are they expecting RX8 owners everywhere will fall off their chairs in disbelief? “Dang Marge, could da’t be true?”

ALL OF US could have bought faster cars for less money. MOST OF US know that. So what’s the point in these threads, other then letting the mouth-breathers think they have a leg up on anybody.

Your quote;



It seems like you’re the one having doubts bud!

Here's your problem - I am VERY good at seeing people's problems:

I wrote 'RX8-beating performance' and your panties instantly wound up! You 'rushed to defense' of your beloved RX8. How DARE dmp write something like that!
You are right - there are countless number of threads on this board talking about cars which are faster than the rx8. Fortunatley MOST readers here don't have the RX8 up the ass so badly as they feel insulted by those comments/threads. You, my friend, DO have the rx8 up the ass.

What I don't have is patience with people who have reading comprehension issues, complicated by blind patriotism to a car.
What I have is 'reason'. I'm probably the most reasonable guy I know. I have NO problem with the MS3 being faster under most conditions, than my RX8. In fact, I - along with a LOT of users here - can ENJOY the MS3 w/o fear of that car's abilities adversely affecting our enjoyment with our cars.

Oh - get this...C6's have rx8-beating performance too! Does that make me sound 16?

at least the MS3 should best it's primary competitors, which is unusual in today's Mazda lineup :mdrmed: .

I read in a comapro that the computer controls the throttle anyways up until like 3rd or something because there is way too much power for FWD already. So no point in adding power until the suspension is stiffened and the tire compound softened. Also, I won't believe its "faster" until it gets a better lap time than an RX-8. I don't think anyone here bought the 8 because it drags well

I won't believe its "faster" until it gets a better lap time than an RX-8. I don't think anyone here bought the 8 because it drags well

Lap time where? On what Track? under what conditions? Even Lap Times aren't a true measure, unless it's The Stig doing the driving...same course, same driver, same conditions. Of course, one car being faster on ONE track doesn't mean it'll be faster on EVERY track. But I'm just 16 years old, what do I know? :) :spank: :ylsuper:

dmp, what makes you sound 16 is your references to name calling, panties and taking things up the ass. All things that may describe a weekend for you, but nonetheless makes you sound juvenile.

But ok tough guy, you want me to refute your comments again. Geez, who am I to argue with a guy who believes “4MPH and .3 seconds is HUGE DUDE!” Well it ain’t, not when the vast majority of people who actually drag their cars struggle to come anywhere close to what their cars are capable of. 10MPH and over differences like a C6s, GTO, EVO, STI are closer to your description of HUGE. Even still, what word would you use to describe my bike that traps at over 140MPH? Can YOU find a better word at www.hop.com? You can? That’s nice, I knew you can.

I like many cars, my posts have praised G35’s, BMW’s, Mustang’s, Vette’s, S2000’s, 350’s, Austin Healys, Mini’s, air cooled 911’s, even Citroens I think. But yeah I’m a RX8 fan too, and I’ll always get a kick out of picking on those who dismiss the 8 because it doesn’t do 1 thing well. Too much of that negative shit on here.

Otherwise, I’m through with you bud. Try to move on.

dmp, what makes you sound 16 is your references to name calling, panties and taking things up the ass. All things that may describe a weekend for you, but nonetheless makes you sound juvenile.

But ok tough guy, you want me to refute your comments again. Geez, who am I to argue with a guy who believes “4MPH and .3 seconds is HUGE DUDE!” Well it ain’t, not when the vast majority of people who actually drag their cars struggle to come anywhere close to what their cars are capable of. 10MPH and over differences like a C6s, GTO, EVO, STI are closer to your description of HUGE. Even still, what word would you use to describe my bike that traps at over 140MPH? Can YOU find a better word at www.hop.com? You can? That’s nice, I knew you can.

I like many cars, my posts have praised G35’s, BMW’s, Mustang’s, Vette’s, S2000’s, 350’s, Austin Healys, Mini’s, air cooled 911’s, even Citroens I think. But yeah I’m a RX8 fan too, and I’ll always get a kick out of picking on those who dismiss the 8 because it doesn’t do 1 thing well. Too much of that negative shit on here.

Otherwise, I’m through with you bud. Try to move on.

lol. idiocy.

hey its a free country you can post anywhere, I just find it strange you say theres no point in these threads yet you are involved thats all.
carry on

No, what I said was...
So what’s the point in these threads, other then letting the mouth-breathers think they have a leg up on anybody.
...thats the point. Carry on.

dmp, son, and I’ll call you that cause you sound about 16, read over my post again.

….if you still need clarification, what I’m trying to convey is that there are countless numbers of knobs on here starting threads stating “cheaper car X is way faster than your RX8.” Are they expecting RX8 owners everywhere will fall off their chairs in disbelief? “Dang Marge, could da’t be true?”

ALL OF US could have bought faster cars for less money. MOST OF US know that. So what’s the point in these threads, other then letting the mouth-breathers think they have a leg up on anybody.

Your quote;



It seems like you’re the one having doubts bud!

Does that make you the knob that gets his panties in a wad every time someone mentions another car being faster?

Every time one of these posts pops up you're in it defending the RX-8 like it's your first born and making excuses why it's OK that the RX-8 isn't as fast. How the RX-8 can take them on a track, blah blah blah. 5mph trap speed is a big difference, fucking deal with it already.

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