One of the fun / scary things about doing HPDE’s is that you never know what someone might show up with. I was at Watkins Glen Monday and Tuesday and on this one run I was passed by a 1992 V-10 equipped Formula One car. That thing was so loud it was painful. Apparently there is a market for older race cars and the guy that owned the F-1 car needed a place to test a new tranny. Now if I were to get hit by a F-1 car would the insurance company still believe me when I state this was a driver’s education class??

Windows format of just the F-1 car (5.7 MB) right click / save as. (http://www.sendersnj.com/rx8/mike/temp/F1_Glenn.WMV)
QuickTime format of the FULL 20 minute run (29 MB) right click / save as
(http://www.sendersnj.com/rx8/mike/temp/Glenn_F1.mov)

subscribes so i can download this F1 pwnage at home :D:

Awesome! But was that a C5 and a Viper being passed right at the end of the short vid?

Why were they lollygagging? :)

Awesome! But was that a C5 and a Viper being passed right at the end of the short vid?

Why were they lollygagging? :) Yes a C5 and a 1st Gen Viper. That video doesn't do justice as to how scary loud that F-1 car was. I think they just pulled over to let that car through. That run group was the advanced intermediate so they were not noobs.

Was that a Benelton F1 car?

Was that a Benelton F1 car? I forgot the name of the foreigner that drove it. I just remember that is was a 1992 car that now has a V-10 Judd engine.

I forgot the name of the foreigner that drove it. I just remember that is was a 1992 car that now has a V-10 Judd engine.

Wow, that has to be intimidating to be on the track with a F1 car. I remember when I was walking to the first Formula one race at Indianapolis and I could hear the cars from 2 miles away. I can't imagine how loud they are when they're next to you with the engine revving in the teens.

that was awesome!!! EXPO, you coming to the PA meet this sunday? 9/24

that was awesome!!! EXPO, you coming to the PA meet this sunday? 9/24 Nope, other things planed that day.

I don't think that was the Benneton. I've seen a Benneton at the Glen before for the Vintage races. The one I saw was Michael Schumacher's ORIGINAL F1 Car.

Dood, Expo. Why'd you let that Exige pass you?!! :naughty:
Actually, I can't believe he didn't point by the F1 car on the front straight.


Not quite an F1 car, but I was on track with some crazy cars at the Glen last October. I've posted this before, but here it is again:

http://www.scottbarton.net/anthony/WatkinsGlen/Videos/2005-10-FastMachinery.wmv
Right-click, Save As.

Nice Vid, Expo ;)

Expo1 --

Glad to see you got your wheels tightened up from SP :)

Nice driving. The F1 car was just plain cool sounding. I can guess how loud it was but it sounded very cool. I also noticed the S2000 that gave you a point-by and then drag raced you on the back straight -- schmuck...

Wish I was there. I may be done for the year. Can't seem to find the right combo of event and my schedule.

I don't think that was the Benneton.

Nope. That's a Brabham Judd BT60B. Very distinctive livery. The number eight car would have been driven by Damon Hill that year. Oh, and it was originally equipped with a 3.5L Judd V10.

http://members.tripod.com/~steve_breen/92f1/hill92b.jpg

he was probably giving that F1 car about 20 percent of it potential, pretty cool though to have one of those lapping beside you. On a side note, I'm kinda of getting tired of cars pulling so hard on me on the straights, have to work so hard to catch back up to them in the turns =)

That Exige driver is an ass. I don't care what street car you're in, if an F1 car pulls up behind you they get pointed by at the earliest opportunity.

So after discussing this with my friend, he seems to adamantly believe that the exige could out-handle that 1992 f1 car... I told him he's smokin something good, but he got me thinking... If anyone here could enlighten me, as i don't know much about f1 cars of 1992 in general, it would be greatly appreciated.

So after discussing this with my friend, he seems to adamantly believe that the exige could out-handle that 1992 f1 car... I told him he's smokin something good, but he got me thinking... If anyone here could enlighten me, as i don't know much about f1 cars of 1992 in general, it would be greatly appreciated.

I've heard it said that an F1 car has sufficient down-force to travel upside down and remain planted. I don't think that can be said about much else on planet earth. :)

Paul.

Modern F1 cars can generate upwards of twice their body weight in downforce allowing them to pull more than 4 g's in a high speed corner. I don't see any lotus pulling 4 g's or even half that.

The Lotus driver didn't give the F1 car a point-by on the front straight like he should of. That's why it looked like the Lotus was " hanging" with the F1 car. Once he had some room the F1 car dusted everything on the track.

Not to mention that the F1 car has at least three times the Lotus' power.

Don't confuse handling and speed. It's not inconceivable that the Elise handles better than the F1 car. The F1 car will still obliterate the Elise in ever contest of speed, straight line or corner.

I can't find a skid pad number but I should think the F1 car would obliterate the Elise (not to knock the Elise). A Dodge Viper doesn't compare to a dragster.

Expo1 - your avatar is ugly but your driving isvery good! What kinda things are you working to improve upon?

Expo1 - your avatar is ugly but your driving isvery good! What kinda things are you working to improve upon? Learning to trust my brakes more. Since I drive my car to these events I tend to " hold back " a bit. There are certain key turns at the tracks I go to like turn 1 at Watkins Glen. You master that turn then you can fly through turn 2,3,4 and down the back straight. I need to " lose it " a few times in a part of the track that is safe so I can get to better know the limits of my 8.

I need to " lose it " a few times in a part of the track that is safe so I can get to better know the limits of my 8.Someplace like at the Poconos raceway where there are no barriers? ;)

All kidding aside, I'm sure braking at 130mph feels a whole world different than braking a typical (or even atypical) highway speeds. How close to the limits have you come? How's the bodyroll with your upgraded suspension (or is that not at all a concern)?

Well the thing is might start braking at the 300’ mark for example and smoothly slow down when in fact if I hit the brakes harder around 100’ I would still scrub enough speed to navigate the turn. I am happy with my RB sways, strut braces and R compounds so all I need to work on is ME. So far I only “ lost” it once at Summit Point but quickly corrected and never spun it out. That track is not as fast as the Glen or Pocono so I wasn’t in any danger. I just need more track time which comes down to time and money.

you probably want to bring a tow vehicle (eg truck with trailer) and trailer your 8 to the track if you really want to 'test the limits'

driving your track car to the track to do track events usually means holding back just a tad so you'll have a complete car to drive home in :o:

Not to mention that the F1 car has at least three times the Lotus' power.

Don't confuse handling and speed. It's not inconceivable that the Elise handles better than the F1 car. The F1 car will still obliterate the Elise in ever contest of speed, straight line or corner.
are you serious? maybe in terms of handling _feel_ the lotus "handles better than the F1 car", but only in a bizarro parallel universe would a street car with no downforce be able to even remotely come close to the cornering ability of a F1 car replete with downforce, feathery weight, and true racing tires (vs. R comps).

are you serious? maybe in terms of handling _feel_ the lotus "handles better than the F1 car", but only in a bizarro parallel universe would a street car with no downforce be able to even remotely come close to the cornering ability of a F1 car replete with downforce, feathery weight, and true racing tires (vs. R comps).

I know you might have been exaggerating, but the Exige definitely does get a lot of down force. Maybe not as much as a 1992 F1 but it pulls .92 g's on a 200ft skidpad...

are you serious? maybe in terms of handling _feel_ the lotus "handles better than the F1 car", but only in a bizarro parallel universe would a street car with no downforce be able to even remotely come close to the cornering ability of a F1 car replete with downforce, feathery weight, and true racing tires (vs. R comps).Reread my statement. Handling and cornering speed are two completely different things. Handling is a subjective measure of how predictably a car handles at the limit of traction. Cornering speed is an objective measure of lateral traction.

A car can handle very well but have low limits -- for example, a Miata on its stock cheapo tires. Alternately, a car can handle very poorly but have very high limits -- for example, put a Chevy Cavalier on R-compound tires.

It's not inconceivable that the Elise has more predictable, forgiving handling than a F1 car. It is inconceivable that the Elise could beat any competently driven F1 car in any contest of speed.

I know you might have been exaggerating, but the Exige definitely does get a lot of down force. Maybe not as much as a 1992 F1 but it pulls .92 g's on a 200ft skidpad...

Actually, what grip an Exige generates on a 200-ft. diameter skidpad has almost nothing to do with what little downforce it generates. .92G on a 200-ft diameter skidpad equates to a constant velocity of approximately 37mph. An Exige generates roughly 100 lbs of total downforce at 100mph (from published data). It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that what minimal downforce it generates at roughly 1/3rd that speed doesn’t contribute much at all to the skidpad number you cited.

In reality, the Exige’s skidpad numbers are due almost entirely to the fact that it comes from the factory with pseudo R compound tires that generate significantly more mechanical grip than the tires found on typical mass production cars. In that light, it isn’t all that impressive.

to a properly driven F1 car, im sure the extige and a geo metro would be pretty much indistinguishable if either was trying to race it.

haha what an idiot

if that is an F1 car it is quite old becasue his shoulders are sticking out of the cockpit., downloading the vid now, looks exciting.

now that was pretty damn cool. Add that too my collection of track vids.

I don't know what I would do if I looked at the sign in sheet at my next event, and saw an F1 car from any year, signed up in the same group as me. I think I would be looking for it so much, I would forget to drive.

I have only seen in person an F1 car once, and it was at the Walter Mitty Challenge this year at Road Atlanta, it was very, very loud, and very very fast. it was newer than the one at your event, it was a Mild Seven car, not sure which number or who the original pilot was. But it was really cool to see it rip down the back straight, sparks flying. It lapped everyone in it's class...in IIRC a race of less than 10 laps.

any one else wonder who the genius was that let an open wheel car on the track with production cars?!?

I hope the open wheel car driver had good life insurance.
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any one else wonder who the genius was that let an open wheel car on the track with production cars?!?

I hope the open wheel car driver had good life insurance.
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good point, NASA does not allow open wheel cars at all, much less on track with the street cars.

I know this is a little old but you should youtube.com that video it's awsome. I can't believe how well you can hear the F1's engine. Love it!!

I know you might have been exaggerating, but the Exige definitely does get a lot of down force. Maybe not as much as a 1992 F1 but it pulls .92 g's on a 200ft skidpad...
The 3rd generation RX-7 could do .98 stock.

That FD was so incredible...Nothing better than having your vision blurr as you go around an on-ramp at twice the posted limit. I miss that car...:tear:

I know you might have been exaggerating, but the Exige definitely does get a lot of down force. Maybe not as much as a 1992 F1 but it pulls .92 g's on a 200ft skidpad...

The G's around the skidpad comes from time. Downforce comes from aerodynamics. Gosh, Lotus drivers just love their little cars. They really need to drive some real cars.

And you can't push on a rope...