80 mph feels like 50. Seriously, like 50. I was driving the other day, just cruising along, I think I'm going the speed limit and I'm at 90 mph. The person who was with me couldn't believe it either.

Who would think, with the engine working at 4500 RPM, it would be so smooth? My last car (Mitsubishi Eclipse) at 90 MPH would shake violently and you would know how fast you were going. In the RX8 it's like gliding on air.

I gotta buy a Radar detector, and quick! I slowed down to 65 MPH and it felt almost like I was moving backward. In this car, I gotta do at least 80.

Anyone else notice this?

Yes, and the cops have noticed twice...

I think they originally made spedometers because your ass isn't very good at the task.

I think they originally made spedometers because your ass isn't very good at the task.

That doesn't really make much sense, but ok..... :Wconfused

Yes, and the cops have noticed twice...

lol, good to know....

Have you invested in a radar detector? Any opinion on which one I should purchase?

Ya gotta get a radar dector for your car period. Cops love to aim that gun at you the moment they see you. And I think Blue Eyes means is that your ass aint a good gauge on how fast your going obviously, hence the speedometer. After awhile your learn how fast your going by what gear your in. Why on the highway I always drive in the Triptronic mode, in full auto I have no real gauge besides contantly looking down.

lol, good to know....

Have you invested in a radar detector? Any opinion on which one I should purchase?
No, not yet. I really havent done any research yet either. I'm just more careful.

That's one of the first things I noticed when I first test drove an AT. I felt like I was going the limit but it turned out I was going 90.

I think they originally made spedometers because your ass isn't very good at the task.

I think they made windshields 200 times bigger than speedometers for a proportionally larger time spent using it. :rolleyes:

Ya gotta get a radar dector for your car period. Cops love to aim that gun at you the moment they see you. And I think Blue Eyes means is that your ass aint a good gauge on how fast your going obviously, hence the speedometer. After awhile your learn how fast your going by what gear your in. Why on the highway I always drive in the Triptronic mode, in full auto I have no real gauge besides contantly looking down.

I'm actually very happy that I have a manual, but once you hit 6th gear it's all over. Normal cruising I shift into 6th around 50 MPH. After that, I don't really pay that much attention to the speed.

This car will just take some getting used to. I'm so used to vibration when I hit a certain speed, to not feel anything is throwing me off.

I used to use cruise control but that gets boring, even increasing / decreasing the speed via the controls on the steering wheel.

Gotta figure something else out. Thanks for the advice though! Maybe it just takes a lot more concentration on the speed (it's an hour drive into work every day, so total concentration is not really an option).

I think they made windshields 200 times bigger than speedometers for a proportionally larger time spent using it. :rolleyes:

LOL, right on!

That doesn't really make much sense, but ok..... :Wconfused
No, it makes perfect sense. I'll explain it for you:

You said that 80 mph feels like 50 mph. This would indicate that you're not a very good judge of speed, because while it might feel like 50 mph, it's surely 80 mph. Hence why they made speedometers, so that you aren't driving around in a 50 mph zone, going 80 mph because it felt like 50 mph, or you thought it was 50 mph. Is that clearer for you?

Wait until you see how 135 feels like 70.

Wait until you see how 135 feels like 70.

lol, I don't know about that.....

Top speed is 152 right? 152 at 8700 RPMS is crazy. I wonder have fast it would go if Mazda didn't put the limiter on.

Smooooooooth

You dont need a radar detector, you need to NOT BREAK THE LAW. That's what God invented tracks for.

Oh, shut up.

The laws are designed to be punitive. That is why the speed limits are set 30% below the engineering limits set for vehicles designed in the 1960's. The laws are about taxes, not morality.

Cruising at 90 on the highway is not street racing. Get over it.

You dont need a radar detector, you need to NOT BREAK THE LAW. That's what God invented tracks for.

So you're saying you always do the limit? 25 in a 25? Unless you're 85 years old, 99% of the population goes faster than the speed limit, even if it is backroads.

And I'm saying that I don't mean to go 90, it just happens due to a different feel of the car other than the Eclipse I used to own.

When I had my 8, I paid more attention to the tach than to anything else. Also just because you have a radar detector doesn't mean you can't get caught. The pigs can also simply track you for a bit and then pull you over.

You dont need a radar detector, you need to NOT BREAK THE LAW. That's what God invented tracks for.


speed doesn't kill. bad drivers kill.

^And attractive females on sidewalks. I've had some close calls.

Top speed is 152 right? 152 at 8700 RPMS is crazy. I wonder have fast it would go if Mazda didn't put the limiter on.MazdaManiac's top speed is likely ~170+ mph.

152 at 8700RPMS? Not quite. Think about it, 4500 RPMS is 90mph. The 8 is drag limited I believe.

I've never gotten past 147. The chassis doesn't like it.
125 is enough for most trips.

MM I've got a question for ya so check your PM in a few mins.

Oh, shut up.

The laws are designed to be punitive. That is why the speed limits are set 30% below the engineering limits set for vehicles designed in the 1960's. The laws are about taxes, not morality.

Cruising at 90 on the highway is not street racing. Get over it.

That's a pretty sad justification for speeding... :rolleyes:

So you're saying you always do the limit? 25 in a 25? Unless you're 85 years old, 99% of the population goes faster than the speed limit, even if it is backroads.

And I'm saying that I don't mean to go 90, it just happens due to a different feel of the car other than the Eclipse I used to own.

On public streets, you better believe it.

80 mph feels like 50. Seriously, like 50. I was driving the other day, just cruising along, I think I'm going the speed limit and I'm at 90 mph. The person who was with me couldn't believe it either.

Who would think, with the engine working at 4500 RPM, it would be so smooth? My last car (Mitsubishi Eclipse) at 90 MPH would shake violently and you would know how fast you were going. In the RX8 it's like gliding on air.

I gotta buy a Radar detector, and quick! I slowed down to 65 MPH and it felt almost like I was moving backward. In this car, I gotta do at least 80.

Anyone else notice this?
LOL check it out http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=99011

On public streets, you better believe it.


Then what's the point of getting a practical sports car? To take it to the track once every 6 months? I bought the car to have fun, not to drive at 25 mph backroads. I actually hate it when people do 25 backroads....holds up traffic. 35 is completely safe.

May I ask how old you are? I've never heard of a young person say "only do the speed limit". Gotta be around 80 years old to be that much of a prude(although even my gradmother doesn't drive that slow).

Ha, once every six months. I went to the track every couple weeks this summer.

And, since I just saw it, much like most of what Rootski says, his comment earlier in this thread makes no sense.

Like you said Husky, you need to figure out a way to keep he speed down.

Worst thing that can happen to ya is to get a ticket to or fro work.

It's much better to get a ticket when your having fun with the car.

Like you said Husky, you need to figure out a way to keep he speed down.

Worst thing that can happen to ya is to get a ticket to or fro work.

It's much better to get a ticket when your having fun with the car.

I agree....I got a speeding ticket about a year ago during my lunch break doing 44 in a 25 (it was over a drawbridge, wide open area. I had no idea the speed limit was only 25). Ruined my day and then the rest of the week. At least if I get a ticket having some fun, it would be more worth it.

I drive in Houston and u will get run over if u drive the posted speed limit...works good for me :)

I have 3 speeding tickets in my eight... (5 over... really strange, he said he pulled me over for drag racing a bmw (it was a miata) and he pulled 5 over out of no where).. 10 over (turned into a one lane and squaked through second while getting over... didn't say anything about that).. and a 60 in a 30 (said i was weaving through traffic and my tires were on fire after i took a corner and ran through the first three gears.. slowed down by the time he locked on thanks to my 8500) Got that last one dropped to 55 in a 30. If insurance rates didn't go up when you got a ticket i could really care less... i sort of consider tickets a speeding tax.. you just sort of have to pay a little every now and then to have fun everytime you drive.

I don't undrestand how it can be so hard to keep from speeding on the highway. I mean, if i could I would go faster but we can't because Johny Law won't allow it. I'm not saying that I don't speed because I do drive 6 over the speed limit all the time but usually no more.

I feel that radar detectors are just a false sense of security that doesn't do crap. If anything it makes you speed more and be more wreckless. The best way to avoid a speeding ticket on the highway is by using cruise-control....sure it's boring but so is all highway driving (unless if you're on an off-ramp or an on-ramp :) ).

This car is meant to be driven fast in corners and that's usually the only fun i can get out of my car. It's feeling the lateral Gs that brings a smile to my face and not cruising at 90mph where you don't feel jack other than the paranoia of cops hiding under the next bridge.

But if you want to the best radar detector out there go with the Valentine 1. I live in cincinnati where the Valentine 1 is made and I've met the owner and if you really want to give him the 400 dollars so that he can buy himself another Porsche GT then go ahead. He won't mind but you'll still get a ticket.

Was curious when this thread would turn into "You shouldnt be speeding in the first place you immature blah blah blah blah" bitch fest hahaha.. We all speed here and there just not all the time get over it folks.
Save for me I do 50mph through that school zone and aim for the lil kiddies and mommies.. WHOOHOOO!!!! Then when I get through the center of town, I barrel through the town square and aim for the senior citzens and their walkers and lil doggies to!! When/if a police officer pulls me over and asks "do you know why I pulled you over?" I just replie "..because I missed one?" :rofl:

The posted speed limit (for curves atleast) does not include friction as a variable but there will always be friction on the road surface hence it is technically safe to go above the speed limit to a certain point. Unless the road is icy then it is wise to obey the speed limit.

Then what's the point of getting a practical sports car? To take it to the track once every 6 months? I bought the car to have fun, not to drive at 25 mph backroads. I actually hate it when people do 25 backroads....holds up traffic. 35 is completely safe.

May I ask how old you are? I've never heard of a young person say "only do the speed limit". Gotta be around 80 years old to be that much of a prude(although even my gradmother doesn't drive that slow).
I'm 24 and very strict about speed limits. In fact, my girlfriend thinks its funny that out of all the cars to get I bought a sports car. Never been pulled over for speeding though :) Even when I lived in Houston I always drove the speed limit. Even on 610 and I-10 in the spots where the limit is ridiculously low.

I really do enjoy the car though. Riding with the windows and sunroof down, accellerating fast and cruising the curvy roads. I enjoy the comments and looks I get from other people. Someone I know pulled up to me in traffic yesterday. He came up to me later and told me he said to himself, "wow, that's a sexy car!". Then he pulled up to me and said to himself, "wow, I know that guy!"

You don't have to exceed the legal speed limit to have fun. In fact, occasionally it can be disturbingly satisfying to see the impatient drivers pull up real close to try and intimidate me even when I'm in the right lane on the highway ;)

But that's not why I drive the speed limit. For one thing, it's the law, and who am I to decide which laws I must follow and which I get to ignore? Additionally, there's no point in risking my life or the lives of others on the public roads. One more thing -- believe it or not, it's actually very stress relieving to actually drive the speed limit instead of being in such a hurry all the time.

this oughta be good...

That's a pretty sad justification for speeding... :rolleyes:I don't have to "justify" "speeding".

Maybe you are trying to justify clandestine taxation.

Was curious when this thread would turn into "You shouldnt be speeding in the first place you immature blah blah blah blah" bitch fest hahaha.. We all speed here and there just not all the time get over it folks.
Save for me I do 50mph through that school zone and aim for the lil kiddies and mommies.. WHOOHOOO!!!! Then when I get through the center of town, I barrel through the town square and aim for the senior citzens and their walkers and lil doggies to!! When/if a police officer pulls me over and asks "do you know why I pulled you over?" I just replie "..because I missed one?" :rofl:

im with you on this one .. did you notice in your rearview mirror how the leash spins aound after the little doggie goes flying

I'm 24 and very strict about speed limits. In fact, my girlfriend thinks its funny that out of all the cars to get I bought a sports car. Never been pulled over for speeding though :) Even when I lived in Houston I always drove the speed limit. Even on 610 and I-10 in the spots where the limit is ridiculously low.

I really do enjoy the car though. Riding with the windows and sunroof down, accellerating fast and cruising the curvy roads. I enjoy the comments and looks I get from other people. Someone I know pulled up to me in traffic yesterday. He came up to me later and told me he said to himself, "wow, that's a sexy car!". Then he pulled up to me and said to himself, "wow, I know that guy!"

You don't have to exceed the legal speed limit to have fun. In fact, occasionally it can be disturbingly satisfying to see the impatient drivers pull up real close to try and intimidate me even when I'm in the right lane on the highway ;)

But that's not why I drive the speed limit. For one thing, it's the law, and who am I to decide which laws I must follow and which I get to ignore? Additionally, there's no point in risking my life or the lives of others on the public roads. One more thing -- believe it or not, it's actually very stress relieving to actually drive the speed limit instead of being in such a hurry all the time.


dude all i can tell you is that youre an accident waiting to happen .. watch your mirrors and stay in the right lanes

For one thing, it's the law, and who am I to decide which laws I must follow and which I get to ignore? Its attitudes like that which have left this sorry, soft, subservient country in the servile gutter it is wallowing in.
Enjoy your "freedom".

Its attitudes like that which have left this sorry, soft, subservient country in the servile gutter it is wallowing in.
Enjoy your "freedom".

Word.

Regarding whether to get a radar detector... I just got mine in silver. :cwm27:

Back on topic - a radar detector is merely a tool and it helps you be a more aware and conscientious driver.
If anything, it will keep you from blindly speeding - it will give any supra-legal excursions some boundaries and protect you from being victimized by tax collectors.
I think it is a necessary accessory for anyone that that drives in any extended way on public roads.
The Escort/Passport units are great. The V1 has its advantages and the Bell and Cobra units test well. Used correctly, any of these will help you stay in control and check you when you find yourself blissfully drifting into higher speed ranges.

Also be sure to visually check your six once in a while for creepers.

Its attitudes like that which have left this sorry, soft, subservient country in the servile gutter it is wallowing in.
Enjoy your "freedom".


Thumbs up to MM. We think alike.

i like the smoother drive because i dont feel like im stressing my engine or something. with my other car it would shake and when i would downshift it would really shake. omg it was scary...so i think if the speedometers dont help, then....jes watch the car in front of you..hehe, ok, laters

Man, I thought that we in Greece have the stupidiest speed limits EVER, but it turns out you have some ridiculous speed limits in the US as well. 35mph ? 25mph ?!?!?!? :Eyecrazy:

Man, I thought that we in Greece have the stupidiest speed limits EVER, but it turns out you have some ridiculous speed limits in the US as well. 35mph ? 25mph ?!?!?!? :Eyecrazy:

I actually don't mind the 35 mph speed limit for towns and 25 mph for school areas. I however think that 55 mph speed limit for many U.S. highways is just bunk!

cruise control learn to use it and love it... it's not as fun though.

lol, good to know....

Have you invested in a radar detector? Any opinion on which one I should purchase?

www.valentine1.com

It looks like a little funky, if not basic but it is the best detector out there IMHO.

There is no hands down best radar detector out there.

The V1 hasn't been updated in a long time. There are other detectors out there that are equal to the V1.

I did some googling a while ago and read up on it. But I have decided to put off getting a detector until I get my comfort mods done.

There is no hands down best radar detector out there.

The V1 hasn't been updated in a long time. There are other detectors out there that are equal to the V1.

I did some googling a while ago and read up on it. But I have decided to put off getting a detector until I get my comfort mods done.


Seems to me like they did update their product many times since it's been on the market. The size changed not too long ago and they also have had many software updates. So i don't know where you're getting this 'the V1 hasn't been updated in a long time' crap.

^^ Because their basic electronics (the type of antenna and the support electronics) hasn't changed in 15 years.

With coilovers the car feels as solid at 125 as it did stock at 75... now imagine how hard it is for me NOT to speed concidering 90% of my daily commute is highway.

I dont really look at my speedo much anymore, I can usually guess within 7mph how fast Im going based on what gear Im in and how high the engine rev sounds. Sometime still though I look down and see tripple digits and really get suprised.

Note - Ok they have JUST released an update, but even with this update it is reaching paraty with other brands. The V1 seems to be better in some areas and worse in others.

I would also like to note that according to some sites before this update the only recent change has been it's case.

It's mainly the feature set which is lacking. And it dosn't preform better then other cheaper units that or more comfortable to use... at least according to some of these sites.


Pulled from LaserVeil.com (http://www.laserveil.com/en/ultimate-radar-detector-review-05/abridged/conclusions/)

Valentine One, v1.8 /w POP2

The Valentine, as expected, was quick at alerting to ALL radar/laser traps encountered and may provide ultimate performance [particularly with laser], but our venerable V1’s stellar performance was somewhat diminished by a greater propensity* to “falsing” on K band and required the most involvement of the driver to properly interpret its alerts. We would prefer it to be quieter [even at the risk of some advanced warning time to a real trap] because, after awhile, we found ourselves ignoring its K-alert anyway which can be just, if not more so, as risky.

This increased falsing was noticeable even in rural [remote] areas of our driving route. The Valentine falsed the least on Ka-band relative to the other two detectors and in the summer season - its been suggested - that this may become more pronounced as there will tend to be an increase of "cheap" radar detectors on the road as people do more vacation traveling. We'll have to wait and see...

*UPDATE: 19 NOV 05 This issue has now been resolved with an updated version (v3.25) and the detector now is now one of the quieter ones! In addition, the newer Valentines have a "J" [for Junk] feature which will automatically identify some Ka-falses as bogus LO leakage and auto-mute them out - a very nice touch, indeed. We will address the additional capabilities and features of our updated model when we release a follow-on to our report.

We still love the arrows, that immediately identify the location of a “threat” and have been accustomed to them for well over a decade! But, we did not specifically encounter a speed trap, during this test, where they would have made a substantive difference - which is not to say that there aren’t specific conditions, where they may have. And - as evidenced on our driving route of day six - they may occasionally be misleading, requiring proper interpretation from its owner.

Additionally, the Valentine was somewhat ergonomically challenged as compared to the other detectors from Bel and Escort.


Pulled from Radartest.com (http://www.radartest.com/article.asp?articleID=9090)

Other than now being housed in the old case and having received occasional subassembly replacements and some software tweaks--improved Ka-band sensitivity, the addition of Ku band and Euro-spec Ka were among the most recent--it has remained largely unchanged since George Bush (not Dubya, we're talking the first George Bush here) spent his last year in the White House.

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After spending time with the BEL and Escort models, the lack of features to be found in the V1, the most expensive corded model on the market, belies its age. Although standard today on $69 models, there's no auto mute, for example, requiring the driver to reach over to a hit the mute button to silence an alert.

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Also absent is a text display or voice alerts; there's no tutorial mode to speed up the process of learning the alert systems, no programmable options like alternate audio tones or different visual displays to help tailor the detector to a user's tastes. Nor is there selectable band defeat, the ability to shut off one or more radar bands instantly by simply pressing a couple of buttons.

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(Good news)
Valentine trades heavily on this detector's rear antenna and we found it gave anywhere from two to three times the detection range of the other units. It also enabled the Spectre detector detector to get 311 percent more range on a V1 going away than when approaching the RDD, making it a mixed blessing



Pulled from
consumersearch.com (http://www.consumersearch.com/www/automotive/radar-detectors/)

The Valentine One took a lot of criticism in last year's reviews for its inability to detect radar guns in POP mode, which operates in hard-to-detect spurts. But Valentine has now added this feature, and aside from a high rate of false alarms, reviews say it works very well. The Valentine One is also great at detecting beams from laser speed guns, but once a laser has locked onto your vehicle, it's generally too late to avoid a ticket. Although the Valentine One is an excellent all-around radar detector, some reviews say its design and features are behind the times, and that it is too expensive, especially when the Escort Passport 8500 X50 is just as effective.



This site in the UK Click Here (http://www.ukspeedtraps.co.uk/val2000.htm)

Also, reviews it. They like it but in distance testing it gets the worst results.

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So what's the conclusion here:

1. I haven't found a site that I really trust. I only believe them is that so many have reviews with similar results while not being the same. (If they were completely the same I would suspect copying)

2. The V1 is still good BUT definitely not an unchallenged king.

3. The V1 has the arrows, which one may or may not find useful.

4. It is more annoying to use. Some reviews have stated getting tired of the V1 and started ignoring it's warnings. But there is an update that may somewhat address these problems.

5. The biggest thing the V1 seems to lack is voice warning. So, to figure out what's going on you have to take your eyes off the road.

6. The V1 is one of the three best. The other two are the Beltronics RX65 Pro and the Escort 8500 X50. (Personally, I would probably get one of these two, but if I could I would want to sit with all three out in a store and get a chance to fiddle with them)

Sorry for the long post, but I figured people would want as much info as possible.

With coilovers the car feels as solid at 125 as it did stock at 75... now imagine how hard it is for me NOT to speed concidering 90% of my daily commute is highway.

I dont really look at my speedo much anymore, I can usually guess within 7mph how fast Im going based on what gear Im in and how high the engine rev sounds. Sometime still though I look down and see tripple digits and really get suprised.

Wow, that's good to know. Guess I'll not be as eager to get coilovers. I speed enough without making it worse.

Does 75 seem slower to you or just as you go higher things don't change. Generally it feels like I am going 10 - 15 mph slower then I actually am.

Behold the power of teh double post. (Yes, I meant teh.)

^^ Because their basic electronics (the type of antenna and the support electronics) hasn't changed in 15 years.

I see what you guys are saying. I guess the software update would be more important to me but I guess that there is no need to change the hardware since the police is still using the same old crap and laser. Wouldn't be very cost effective for them to change the hardware that works well.

I thought there has been changes in police hardware over the years. It just depends on where you live.

The V1 still works. Especially if you have all the updates.

If you have it's fine, it just doesn't seem like the best product to buy at this point.

75 doesnt seem slower... basically the car feels so solid and planted at anything past 40mph that its hard to tell how fast youre going by how the car handles. With DSC off I can bob and weave better at 65 than I ever could have at 40 on stock suspension. The car is so solid and the body roll is almost non existant, so when you flick the weel in one direction, it feels like youre moving sideways.
Trust me, the more you do to this car the harder it becomes to keep the gas pedal off the floor at every oppritunity.
I get my midpipe in a week or so, then struts and sways shortly after... Im sure I should set aside money for at least one ticket per mod :)

i've been thinking about buying a radar detector and a nagivation (the one that can come stocked is too expensive..navigation in our van cost 1000). I've read about radar how that technology is always improving. I would think to get the best out their for the buck.

What you need is to get 6 radar detectors, and a police scanner. That will work.... that will work.

On public streets, you better believe it.
So you are saying you never speed? B.S.

Always check on-ramps has you pass them to see if one of the local gendarmes is getting on the freeway.
(Not that I ever break the law.... ;)

So you are saying you never speed? B.S.

It's pretty sad to know that people like you are out there that honestly believe everyone breaks the law. No, I do NOT speed on public roads, and it sickens me when jack-holes dart in and out of traffic like they're in some sort of race. I could care less if they choose to kill themselves, but they are endangering others. There is a time and place for everything, and wreckless speeding belongs on a track.

It's pretty sad to know that people like you are out there that honestly believe everyone breaks the law. No, I do NOT speed on public roads, and it sickens me when jack-holes dart in and out of traffic like they're in some sort of race. I could care less if they choose to kill themselves, but they are endangering others. There is a time and place for everything, and wreckless speeding belongs on a track.

I agree with you on the reckless speeding and darting (doesn't even save significant time anyway), but perhaps he means it strictly speaking. From my observations, my guess is that about 10% of the drivers on the road I frequent stick strictly to the speed limit, even on the passing lane (annoying buggers), while the mainstream "lawbreakers" are hovering 5 to 10mph above the limit.

If everybody went the same speed there would be traffic jams for miles. There is an unwritten window but once you hit 80 your shaking hands with danger my friend.

Sadly, you can count me amongst those that speed (just as a qualifier here, anyone traveling even .5 miles per hour above the limit is speeding, as the law doesn't give a buffer, ie - 70 in a 65 is ok, but 71 is not).

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I consider myself to be a law abiding citizen, but speed limits are just ridiculous (to an extent). Fact is, speed limits don't have a great deal to do with the design of the road. The highway geometry (for interstates at least...) is based on a design speed that is usually much greater than the regulatory speed limit. This is why you will lots of times see 2 lane roads with 12' lanes and 6' shoulders (the minimum dimensions for expressways, if I remember correctly from my highway design engineering class) having a limit of 55 or less, when that same road would have a speed limit of 65 in another part of the state (with all things being equal in terms of distance between ingress and egress points, usage, etc.). This is also why, for example, the PA turnpike will not change geometry but will have areas where the speedlimit goes from 65 to 55 very abruptly, with no change in highway geometry. IIRC, this is because the particular municipality thru which the highway is passing has designated the maximum limit for roads in or thru its jurisdiction, and in many instances they will use this abrupt slow down as a speed trap to generate revenue for the community.

For anyone to say it's safer to drive the speed limit is only partially true, because I've been in places (like philly, just for example) where everyone is doing 80+ when the speed limit is 55. So in that scenario, who is causing the hazard: the person moving with the flow of traffic, or the person causing an obstruction by driving slower than the rest of the flowing traffic? It's not much different than saying it's safer to be stationary, because you can say "well, you can't possibly crash if you're not moving, so it has to be safer", when in reality if you're sitting still on a highway you are creating an unsafe condition.

Again, the speed limit is arbitrary, and a better metric of safety in traffic is relative velocity to the vehicles around you, and thus the danger posed by speeders or loafers. If you're doin 35 and I'm doin 50 (regardless of the speed limit), the impact of a collision between the 2 of us will be equivalent to that of me running into you at 15mph (assuming we are moving in exactly the same direction).

And aside from all of that, if everyone is doin 80 in a 55, a cop will sit on the side of the road all day long and not pull over anyone. Why is that? Why would he not pull over EVERYONE, since all are goin over the speedlimit and thus breaking the law? Because the cop understands the flow of traffic. If you're deviating heavily (upwards or downwards, as you can get a ticket for goin too slow...), then you are causing a hazard and will be pulled over...

All that being said, it's best (safest) to drive based on the conditions, not on the speed limit. This is why if you're doing the speed limit, but the roads are slick due to weather and you get into a crash (ie - snow on the ground and you slide into a telephone pole), you will be ticketed for operating your vehicle at an unsafe speed (even though you were traveling at the posted speed limit).

And yes, the free flow speed of traffic (the speed at which unrestricted traffic will flow thru a roadway) is a condition that should be considered by all drivers...

Just my $0.02...

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It's pretty sad to know that people like you are out there that honestly believe everyone breaks the law. No, I do NOT speed on public roads, and it sickens me when jack-holes dart in and out of traffic like they're in some sort of race. I could care less if they choose to kill themselves, but they are endangering others. There is a time and place for everything, and wreckless speeding belongs on a track.
Dude, I dont mean reckless driving. I mean cruising down the freeway, beautiful day, not alot of traffic and the road is stretched out before you. Lighten up!!!

If everybody went the same speed there would be traffic jams for miles.

Not necessarily...

There would be jams when capacity is exceeded by traffic volume. Otherwise, assuming sufficient spacing between vehicles, there wouldn't be jams just from everyone moving at the same speed. Consider the example of water flowing thru a pipe. Assuming there isn't a restriction, water flowing thru a pipe will not back up, but will continue to flow smoothly. Granted, the water that is in contact with the interior of the pipe moves slower than that in the center, but it still works out even if you neglect friction and the relatively minor difference in velocity.

Capacity is a function of flow velocity (among other things). All things being equal, a road with the greater flow velocity will have a higher capacity than one with a lower flow velocity...

If everybody went the same speed there would be traffic jams for miles. There is an unwritten window but once you hit 80 your shaking hands with danger my friend.
I shake those hands everyday, and I am going with the flow of traffic.

What? 80mph is what your traffic travels? WTH!? Everyone where I live slows down to 20mph on the freeway to see a cop and a passenger car pulled over on the side of the road.

It's pretty sad to know that people like you are out there that honestly believe everyone breaks the law. No, I do NOT speed on public roads, and it sickens me when jack-holes dart in and out of traffic like they're in some sort of race. I could care less if they choose to kill themselves, but they are endangering others. There is a time and place for everything, and wreckless speeding belongs on a track.

Ok atleast in my area of the world good Ol' Mass, the general concenus is "I'm driving fast enough". This is a bad mind set which leads to people like me and others to well "bob and weave" through traffic. I'm sorry if your in the far left lane considered the "fast lane" or "passing lane" you shouldnt be doing the speed limit or lower and not be KEEPING PACE with the car beside you! This cause's people do that bob and weave and in general cause's the good old classic "Road Rage".

Last year I drove for my first time out of state from MA to Rochester NY. I couldnt believe how much nicer the highways were. I found out aparently the Police WILL pull you over if your in the left lane for a extended period of time and not passing anyone. I couldnt believe it I was shocked and was in love. I was able to go my own pace and switched lanes only when passing someone. Oh that and when I got up behind someone in the same left lane they'd speed up pass an cars beside them and then get in the right lane. It was just amazing! These officers of the law aparently abide by the law of "hindering the flow of traffic" its a actual law not a myth. Our state is just now realizing that most Road Rage is caused by someone not being fast enough in a certain lane and hence causing a person to get mad and make recless mistakes they normaly wouldnt.

If you dont speed wheee good for you, have a cookie on me!.. Don't condem those of us who do responsibly at the right time and place. Its not like we are all doing 50mph through the center of town. 35mph is perfectly fine on city/town roads especialy if people are around and can easily just run out onto the street. Also just remember just because your own the road doesnt mean you own it. The person behind you has to get somewhere to, if your just doing the speed limit or under it, your just causing them to get mad and once they are out of your way they'll take their aggrivation out on the road by speeding. Then when you get home and hear about that nasty accident from that guy behind you well go you!

Here in New Mexico (And expect your state to be next), they are installing cameras everywhere. They goal is to have redlight cameras at every intersection, and speeding cameras every 5-10 miles. While I agree with the red light cameras, the speeding cameras are stupid. They completly take the person out of the ticket, and it all becomes a mechanical society. If I am going 5 miles over the speed limit to get away from some ahole, or because its an emergency, i dont want to come home to 3/4 speeding tickets with hardly a chance to state my case.

What? 80mph is what your traffic travels? WTH!? Everyone where I live slows down to 20mph on the freeway to see a cop and a passenger car pulled over on the side of the road.
Yeah, I'm sure traffic conditions are going to vary from state to state and city to city. If I were travelling through Los Angeles I would be lucky to reach 45 mph on the freeway and would spend most of my time stopped!

It's pretty sad to know that people like you are out there that honestly believe everyone breaks the law.

I hit tripple digits at least twice a week on my way home from work, you know what the best part is? Everyone else is going 85-90 so you dont even notice 1 car taking a gap at 100. Wreckless driving I agree is irresponsible and dangerous, but going 85+ on an open road with a speed limit of 65 is something different.
You seem to think people cant speed and drive responsibly at the same time, but Ive been driving like this for years, and the only accidents Ive been into have been in parking lots going 10mph and under.
And BTW dude, EVERYONE, and yes I mean EVERYONE in Miami goes at least 7mph over the posted limit... if you dont, expect to be rear ended or flipped off when a grandma passes you in her buick. You may live somewhere that the general public obeys the posted limit, but Latinos like to drive fast.

I believe there have been studies where going faster then Xmph increased the injury from accidents about 5 times. I forgot what speed it is, maybe 85mph. And since you cant predict things like a blown tire, or a dear, or a kid jumping in front of you in the freeway (lol?), it would be more irresponsible to drive faster then X speed. (if i remember the study, I will find it and post the details).

Its attitudes like that which have left this sorry, soft, subservient country in the servile gutter it is wallowing in.
Enjoy your "freedom".

There is no freedom. "They" just make you believe there is.

Well there is no TRUE freedom because we have lost the direct ability to influence our government. Laws are not limiting out freedom because we (at one point it was we the people), voted to put them there, and could vote them away.

Not necessarily...

There would be jams when capacity is exceeded by traffic volume. Otherwise, assuming sufficient spacing between vehicles, there wouldn't be jams just from everyone moving at the same speed. Consider the example of water flowing thru a pipe. Assuming there isn't a restriction, water flowing thru a pipe will not back up, but will continue to flow smoothly. Granted, the water that is in contact with the interior of the pipe moves slower than that in the center, but it still works out even if you neglect friction and the relatively minor difference in velocity.

Capacity is a function of flow velocity (among other things). All things being equal, a road with the greater flow velocity will have a higher capacity than one with a lower flow velocity...

You beat me to it. :)

Latinos like to drive fast.

Nice stereotype. I live in El Paso... I'm practically in Mexico. Not all "latinos" drive like jack-holes.

Well than stay put an enjoy your car all the way up to 55 mph :)

Ill keep driving like a "jack-hole" and be enjoying every moment of it.

You beat me to it. :)


I would like to assume, but people tailgate, stay in the left lane, and refuse to use cruise control. That's the reality. The best thing one can do is keep a safe distance. This requires speeding up and slowing down and constantly switching lanes to keep that buffer.

so what are the rpms this car can handle (i've heard 9000)....?

I would appreciate if everyone driving an 8 would do the speed limit.

That way when I fly by, the authorities will not suspect how fast I am moving....

How fast I move depends on conditions. Typically 25 and 35/40 MPH zones are obeyed because conditions warrant it.

Out on the open road, well (woohoo!), conditions are different!

And if you folks obeying the law to the letter would just stay to the right (!!!!) then conditions would warrant it more often.

And you really cannot cruise at 9000. Now that I think of it, RPMs have not limited my speeds yet (how embarrasing).

And BTW dude, EVERYONE, and yes I mean EVERYONE in Miami goes at least 7mph over the posted limit... if you dont, expect to be rear ended or flipped off when a grandma passes you in her buick. You may live somewhere that the general public obeys the posted limit, but Latinos like to drive fast.

This made me laugh! :rofl:

I would like to assume, but people tailgate, stay in the left lane, and refuse to use cruise control. That's the reality. The best thing one can do is keep a safe distance. This requires speeding up and slowing down and constantly switching lanes to keep that buffer.

Right. With the human element introduced, standard mathematics get shot to shreds because chaos theory(?) gets introduced.
:)

Nice stereotype. I live in El Paso... I'm practically in Mexico. Not all "latinos" drive like jack-holes.
Yeah but most do....LOL just kidding...

I've never gotten past 147. The chassis doesn't like it.
125 is enough for most trips.


At 123 on I10 (THE MOST boring interstate in the entire freaking world!) I was so excited I almost peed on my leather!
But, it was fantastic to get it there & it did feel to me as if it started to drift off the pavement a little. Probably just my inexperience at those speeds though.

Again, the speed limit is arbitrary, and a better metric of safety in traffic is relative velocity to the vehicles around you, and thus the danger posed by speeders or loafers. If you're doin 35 and I'm doin 50 (regardless of the speed limit), the impact of a collision between the 2 of us will be equivalent to that of me running into you at 15mph (assuming we are moving in exactly the same direction).


LOVE those brains!

i hit 145 couple weeks ago friday morning 2am on the just paved part of the 99 in cali and it was still pushing but i had my wife in the car and its not cool to endanger her life as well as mine. i obey speed limits in school areas and on this 1 road where theres always a cop lol even the road to my house thats a 35mph zone and S curves like crazy i do 55-60 its so much fun

the road is narrow as hell barely room for 2 way traffic and bikers ride on the road theres no bike lane and most turns you cant see around until you make the turn. i feel sorry for a biker if they are in the blind spot when someone comes around the corner and yes even at the posted speed limit there isnt enough time to react.

they make bike lanes for a reason there is absolutely no reason at all they should be on a road with no bike lanes that leads to absolutely nothing in the middle of no where. like 10 miles away theres this cool as bike track that even goes under ground its quite long goes around alot of the town and is safe

i obey speed limits in school areas



haha at least your carefull some times. Nice to know my kids (if i had any) will be saved from your driving habbits. :sad:

haha at least your carefull some times. Nice to know my kids (if i had any) will be saved from your driving habbits. :sad:

lol i live in the middle of no where in california hell we had to call the cops once and they were like where do you live how do we get there

we had to call the cops once and they were like where do you live how do we get there

WOW...!!! :sweatdrop

That's when u know it's time to relocate... LOL :D:

If I had to drive the speed limit I think I'd end up putting a bullet in my brain. May as well get a Prius then and be fuel efficient as well. Highway speeds have almost nothing to do with speeding. They are used to conserve fuel to some degree and to increase state revenue.

Do you realize how fast any of our states would go bankrupt if there were no speeders?

I for one will be getting a detector sometime soon, need winter tires and rims first. I'd like to have a jammer too. Anyone make a police detector that just knows where police are and will display them on a map for me? I'd buy that too.

Oh and try 135 mph on a bike, ecstasy and unbridled fear at the same time.

Anyone make a police detector that just knows where police are and will display them on a map for me? I'd buy that too.

I believe there is no such thing there is no way to know where cops are. I believe there are a few websites out there that let people post speed traps and cop hideouts. I haven't looked for them in quite a while.

If you find em please post their addresses.

In other countries they have systems that tell you where speeding cameras are. But they don't move.


Well there is no TRUE freedom because we have lost the direct ability to influence our government. Laws are not limiting out freedom because we (at one point it was we the people), voted to put them there, and could vote them away.


We never had the power to directly influence the government. And like the 2 party system it is a good thing. (even though I strongly dislike our current President)

Was curious when this thread would turn into "You shouldnt be speeding in the first place you immature blah blah blah blah" bitch fest hahaha.. We all speed here and there just not all the time get over it folks.
Save for me I do 50mph through that school zone and aim for the lil kiddies and mommies.. WHOOHOOO!!!! Then when I get through the center of town, I barrel through the town square and aim for the senior citzens and their walkers and lil doggies to!! When/if a police officer pulls me over and asks "do you know why I pulled you over?" I just replie "..because I missed one?" :rofl:

That's so not right, but so funny too. :ylsuper:

The car definitley gives the illusion that you're traveling much slower than you actually are so definitely get a radar. I've purchased the Bel Professional Series RX65 Radar Detector (http://www.radarbusters.com/products/beltronics/) which has more than paid for itself since owning my Mustang for over a year now.

As for speeding and NOT BREAKING THE LAW, give it a rest and get off your high horse. EVERYONE(who has ever driven to clarify) has broken this law, even police officers. It's actually funny, I've taken a couple a polygraph tests and been interview for a few departments and they always ask,
"Have you ever broken any laws?"
Then they usually immediately add,
"We're not talking traffic laws like speeding."
They ad that cause everyone would fail the test as soon as they said,"No."

Just don't abuse it. Going 100mph at 3pm on a school day in a school zone is beyond abuse. Now going 100mph traveling in the dead of night with no traffic in sight on a highway is not a big deal.

Speed doesn't kill, (kinda like jumping out of a plane w/o a chute) it's that sudden stop that usually does it. :D

I tend to find myself driving faster on city streets due to the digital speedometer. There is no sense of needle area or movement b/c there is none.

Update today..
I nailed 4 teenage school kids and a crossing gaurd for extra points, got a few bonus points to because she bounced a few times. Doing 110mph seems to get these people good hang time like you wouldnt believe!
The town square was empty of seniors so I aimed for the mentaly challenged people today and they run fast as hell but I got a few bwahahahhaha.. was only do about 50mph because of the damn lose of traction on the grass. Oh oh almost forgot nailed a chuchu thingy that kept on yipping at me on the side walk, he made a LOUD squashing noise under my tires WooT! :rock:

Lesson of my post today.....


Goto the town square a bit later on in the day the grass wont be as wet and you'll have more traction.

This Post has been brought to you by Clavius who just wishes to frag with your heads bwahahahhahaha :FIREdevil

Speeding at night in my area can be sketchy. You have to look out for deer running in front of your car. The deer usually loses, but so does your car! On a positive note, venison steaks for weeks!

Speeding at night in my area can be sketchy. You have to look out for deer running in front of your car. The deer usually loses, but so does your car! On a positive note, venison steaks for weeks!

...and if you lived in Alaska you could speed at night for days!

...and if you lived in Alaska you could speed at night for days!


Yeah but you only got one Highway for the whole state!!!! ( unless you count the frozen rivers)

...and if you lived in Alaska you could speed at night for days!
WOT!!! Ima move there bwahahahhahaha SPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(in a funny mood right now or trying sue meh!)

I gotta agree to some points. The car ain't the torque-est or the most powerful but you really do have to look down at the speedo to see how fast you're going....

I was travelling an often used country road the other day. Got behind not one but two grandmothers. Knew that the country road had a relatively straight stretch coming up, downshifting hard cause I knew I had to pass both cars before a slight rise in the road blinded me to oncoming traffic...........

Made the pass, and to my astonishment, I was going 110. The car felt like it was barely trying. I was still on the the long straight, so I very lightly just kept my fiinger on the stearing wheel and could feel no vibration, no nothing. So I just (and briefly) took my hands off the wheel and the car tracked perfect and true............

.........a very well built machine......