ok so i bought an interceptor-x and installed it. after installation, the car would not start. scott said it could be a blown fuse. none of the fuses were blown, but some of the fuses werent even getting power to them. so i called my local mazda dealership. they towed it in and said that all of the PCM on the computer was erased and that i had to buy a new one and then they had to program it for my car. total cost is $1820. how the hell did this happen? and is it right that i am having to pay for it since it could have been because of the interceptor-x?

You need to have them prove that it was the intercepter that was what caused it. (Which, it probably was)
Yes you would have to pay for it at that point.

Well don't that make your ass chew crackers. Sorry for you bud.

holyshit man, try gettin a use OEM pcm from someone, or find someone parting out a salvage rx8 and buy the pcm from him.

yea, it makes me so mad because i spent 1600 on the interceptor, and now i'm gonna probably have to pay 1800 on repairs.. thats worth a GReddy turbo kit that i was wanting for a long time... now i've got to start back at 300 bucks left in the bank. this sucks.

holyshit man, try gettin a use OEM pcm from someone, or find someone parting out a salvage rx8 and buy the pcm from him.

mazda has already ordered a computer for me, so im hoping that there is some way that i can not have to pay for it since it wasnt my fault.

Don't see how that could happen unless you accidentally shorted something during installation. You did disconnect the battery, right?

Don't see how that could happen unless you accidentally shorted something during installation. You did disconnect the battery, right?

yea i disconnected the battery before i started and left it disconnected until i was finished.

also do you still have the old pcm that the int-x replaced??

also do you still have the old pcm that the int-x replaced??

no the old pcm is at the dealership with the car. i still have the interceptor-x in my garage. i took it out when it wouldnt start cause i thought that would have been the problem. and its out and it still wouldnt start.

If I were you I'd tell them you want the original "erased" pcm back.

so does anyone have any ideas for me? should i try to blame it on mazsport and make them pay for it? or do you think i could get my money back and return the interceptor-x?

If I were you I'd tell them you want the original "erased" pcm back.

what would i do with a blank pcm though?

Something tells me that you didn't disconnect that battery when you were installing all of this. I doubt it was the interceptor, but you may have just had some charge that shocked the factory ecu and messed it up. I thought I had done the same thing, but I checked and saw my MAIN fuse was blown. Sorry to hear about your problem, that really blows.

SoCal: "This hella sucks"

Something tells me that you didn't disconnect that battery when you were installing all of this. I doubt it was the interceptor, but you may have just had some charge that shocked the factory ecu and messed it up. I thought I had done the same thing, but I checked and saw my MAIN fuse was blown. Sorry to hear about your problem, that really blows.

SoCal: "This hella sucks"

i am sure i disconnected the battery cause im scared to death of getting shocked while working on my car haha. and would a simple shock really erase all information on the interceptor?

should i try to blame it on mazsport and make them pay for it? or do you think i could get my money back and return the interceptor-x?

i 2nd what tigger said, get that old pcm back, then investigate this a little more cuz 1800 is alot of dough. sounds like the dealer likes the idea of the int screwing up the car.

You'd probably feel it if you shocked it, unless you were just really focused on the install and didn't pay attention. My friend blew a ecu on his SE-R a few years back, so it does happen.

Take responsibility and "blame" yourself.

There's a risk to everything you do, just suck it up and quit whining. It was most likely something you did.

so does anyone have any ideas for me? should i try to blame it on mazsport and make them pay for it? or do you think i could get my money back and return the interceptor-x?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure its not the interceptor. Unless you can prove it by installing it on another 8 and seeing if the ecu blows. And I doubt anyone will let you do that.

yeah, that's the next question - are you going to be installing that int-x on your new pcm?

yeah, that's the next question - are you going to be installing that int-x on your new pcm?


no im not gonna install it. i really want to get my money back and send in the int-x to them in exchange for my money. but if they wont do that, i'll sell the int-x to help pay for the damages. i had high hopes for this but it has turn into a nightmare for me.

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you think im bull shitting? why do you think that? and what about it do you think is bull shit?

My only thoughts are it got damaged in shipping and shorted out your ecm when you installed it! :mad:

Maybe you can send it back to Scott and see if he can test it to see if it is bad?

Sorry it happened, just trying to help out!

you think im bull shitting? why do you think that? and what about it do you think is bull shit?
PCMs are a hearty beast. One of the following scenarios is the reality:

1) You wired the Int-X incorrectly (i.e. power connections backwards)
2) You bent pins on the harness
3) You failed to disconnect the battery NEGATIVE terminal
4) The dealer is selling you a line of crap and it wasn't that actual PCM

I still think the problem sounds like your main fuse. Did you check that one? The huge fuse under the fuse box in the engine compartment?

Your best bet is too get the original OEM pcm back and go to a different dealership. If you are certain that it was installed correctly, don't waste your time with them. It's hard for any of us to KNOW what really happened. Some mazda dealerships are questionable though......

Take some pictures. The PCM is pretty hard to damage unless you wired something horribly wrong. Especially if you read the connector backward. Even so, you would blew a few fuses and by the way it was describe "there is no power to certain fuse" that is an indication a lost of power somewhere. Could be some connectrs or blown fuse(s) that you didn't notice. Sometime a blown fuse is hard to tell without a multi-meter. You'll need to do a trace on the circuit to find out; happened to me once, then I switched to the light up fuses which are pieces of crap btw (I would not recommend anyone using those). The main fuse will be the first to check.

The PCM can be re-program if it's erase (again, the only time it can happen is by the dealer or you open the pcm up and jump a connection). If it's internally damaged, you need to get back the unit from the dealer, otherwise your dealer is jacking you.

I would question the dealers diagnosis. Ask them how they determined the PCM was fried.

How about some more information. You say it wouldn't start, but did you hear the solenoid click on when you turned the key? Do the other lights and gages work?

hmmmm... check the fuse on the interceptor line that connects to the postive on the battery...

when i first installed the interceptor, my car wouldn't start either. so i called scott and it was a simple fix. it wasn't the fuse, i needed to remove the white ball with the short rubber hose that connected from the throttle body and instead connect the blue vacuum hose directly to the throttle body. then my car started fine.

later on, when i went to the dealer to replace my tranny, i got my car back with the interceptor uninstalled and placed on my passenger side floor. so when i got home, i reinstalled the interceptor and my car didn't start again...

after stressing out, i checked the fuse from the plastic hose that connects from the interceptor to the positive battery, and it was out. i went to pep boys and replaced the fuse, and it worked.

so....... my advice is before u drop 1800 for a new pcm... get ur old "broken" one back.

check your fuse on ur interceptor... see if your blue vacuum hose from ur interceptor to the throttle body connects directly and not through the white ball thingy...

and if it is ur stock pcm thats been erased... i'd contact racing beat first to see if they can do anything to reprogram it w/out you spending 1800.

i really dont see how the interceptor would delete all of ur stock pcm... and let's not jump to conclusions and start pointing fingers. scott makes quality products and many would vouch for him. u have a great product in ur garage... before u plan on selling it or anything, check out what really is the problem.. and get 2nd opinion and a 3rd if u can :)

good luck sir~ hope u dont have to drop all that extra cash... and end up keeping ur car stock without the interceptor x.

PCMs are a hearty beast. One of the following scenarios is the reality:

1) You wired the Int-X incorrectly (i.e. power connections backwards)
2) You bent pins on the harness
3) You failed to disconnect the battery NEGATIVE terminal
4) The dealer is selling you a line of crap and it wasn't that actual PCM


i'll take the dealer is full of crap for $200 alex.

unplug the connectors, plug them back in. not a whole lot to screw up there. it probably just needs to be tuned and the dealer sucks.

poster--did you have the interceptor on it when you towed it in?

Erased a computer? No way! It really sounds like a fuse blew someplace, which is not uncommon when one starts to mess around with this type of stuff. Check your connections and spend 20 cents on a new fuse.

Ok sorry to hijack and sound stupid, doesn't the Int-X replaced/bypass the PCM and control the engine itself? If so, why does it need to be connected to the PCM?

it piggybacks on the PCM, but it directly controls fuel management, bypassing the PCM for that function.

This is very strange and I really question the car needs an ECU diagnosis. Josh, I dont doubt that is what you were told but it sounds like there is still another issue. The Interceptor-X has no way to erase the factory map or interact with it for that matter and thats the main point of the Interceptor-X. Complete engine control regardless of how the Factory ECU thinks the car should be run! Our testing procedure for the units although abit time consuming, is without a doubt a real world test of each unit.
Every Interceptor-X goes through the same test procedure.
Determine the application (N/A, turbo, injector config)
Install the unit into a RX-8!
Connect via laptop to the Interceptor-X
Install the required application map and START THE ENGINE!
While the engine is running verify all gauges are displaying the correct information in the laptop software.
Check A/C input activation, Idle vac., T.P.S. values etc.
Check the unit and the interface software for any error signals.
Shut the engine off, restart engine, reconnect to the system.
Install two backup copys of the base map into laptop interface.
Shut the engine off, restart the engine final time and free-rev engine verifying "load" gauge operation and T.P.S. idle to W.O.T. range.
I am not sure whats wrong with your car, or how it developed this problem but I doubt it needs an ECU. If you would like to have the dealership call me I will be happy to help any way I can, Scott

I'm going to have to agree with the comments that the dealership is full of it. It definitely isn't the first time (today) that a dealership has been. For the most part, many of them don't know crap about cars or how to diagnose them. Mazda once told me that my airflow meter on my RX-7 went bad and friend the leading and trailing coils and that it would be $2500 to fix. I replaced the afm for $50 and the car ran fine. What happened to my coils? Why did they suddenly work? They always had. The dealer was an idiot. Fortunately they made the mistake of not charging me enough for the time my car was there so I didn't complain.

Too many people will install something, not get it to run right away, and then panic. You overlooked something and your dealership is trying to get money from you. I have never seen an ecu fry and I've tried!

RG is right on the button . When a car goes into a dealer they will look for the easiest solution . So that means - keep replacing things till they fix the problem . They don't care what it costs the customer. They would quite happily replace the ECU - find it still doesn't go then finally track it down to a 50c fuse.
Will they send the ECU back for a refund - hell no !!! That takes effort .

RG is right on the button . When a car goes into a dealer they will look for the easiest solution . So that means - keep replacing things till they fix the problem . They don't care what it costs the customer. They would quite happily replace the ECU - find it still doesn't go then finally track it down to a 50c fuse.
Will they send the ECU back for a refund - hell no !!! That takes effort .
Not to mention that they now have a free, working ECU in their hands that they can resell.

How many threads do we see where people complain about having issues with their cars and end up taking them to the dealers where they try many things but could never seem to fix the problem? Sound familiar? Many of the RX-7 people used to automatically blame their problems on a blown ecu and it was almost never the case. I think I've heard of one report where it was but even I have thought the same thing and had the ecu turn out fine.

I don't think the dealer is trying to screw josh; I think they are just following their own rulebook.

They can't talk to the ECU so they charge you for a new one. They are trying to make a living just like the rest of us. They do repair estimates as quickly as possible.

They've probably never seen a fried ECU before so they are just guessing. The mechanic tells the service rep what he THINKS the problem is. The service rep then tells you what he KNOWS the problem is. I'm guessing this is what is happening.

One of the reason's I haven't done any exotic mods is I don't know any good RX-8 tuners in my area. I'm definitely not going to rely on the dealer to do service work after I perform my mods.

Josh, we are just guessing here. The Interceptor could have fried your ECU or not. We don't know for sure, you don't know for sure and dealer doesn't know for sure.

-Mr. Wigggles

i'll take the dealer is full of crap for $200 alex.

unplug the connectors, plug them back in. not a whole lot to screw up there. it probably just needs to be tuned and the dealer sucks.

poster--did you have the interceptor on it when you towed it in?

no the interceptor is in my garage. but i told the dealer that i installed it because he asked me what i did to it and told me that the pcm was erased.

This is very strange and I really question the car needs an ECU diagnosis. Josh, I dont doubt that is what you were told but it sounds like there is still another issue. The Interceptor-X has no way to erase the factory map or interact with it for that matter and thats the main point of the Interceptor-X. Complete engine control regardless of how the Factory ECU thinks the car should be run! Our testing procedure for the units although abit time consuming, is without a doubt a real world test of each unit.
Every Interceptor-X goes through the same test procedure.
Determine the application (N/A, turbo, injector config)
Install the unit into a RX-8!
Connect via laptop to the Interceptor-X
Install the required application map and START THE ENGINE!
While the engine is running verify all gauges are displaying the correct information in the laptop software.
Check A/C input activation, Idle vac., T.P.S. values etc.
Check the unit and the interface software for any error signals.
Shut the engine off, restart engine, reconnect to the system.
Install two backup copys of the base map into laptop interface.
Shut the engine off, restart the engine final time and free-rev engine verifying "load" gauge operation and T.P.S. idle to W.O.T. range.
I am not sure whats wrong with your car, or how it developed this problem but I doubt it needs an ECU. If you would like to have the dealership call me I will be happy to help any way I can, Scott


awesome. you are awesome. the number is 256-319-0300. ask to speak to bruce in the service department. and my name is josh key, so let him know whose car you are talkin about even though mine is probably the only one there with this problem. if there is any way possible that i can get out of buying a new pcm then i will do it. even if the pcm really did get erased, shouldnt i just be able to tell them to program it again?

awesome. you are awesome. the number is 256-319-0300. ask to speak to bruce in the service department. and my name is josh key, so let him know whose car you are talkin about even though mine is probably the only one there with this problem. if there is any way possible that i can get out of buying a new pcm then i will do it. even if the pcm really did get erased, shouldnt i just be able to tell them to program it again?
Just called the Dealership, spoke with the service manager and the Tech working on the vehicle awaiting a call back. Scott

I'll give you 500 for your inter-x

heh!

Scott, Josh, and all, even if the PCM gets erased, with the MDS it can be reflashed with as built data. My shop (Mazcare Inc) has the MDS and I am certain that this is possible for the 8.

Just called the Dealership, spoke with the service manager and the Tech working on the vehicle awaiting a call back. Scott

awesome. let me know what they tell you when they call you back.

Any updates?

Any updates?

no not yet. still waitin for him to let me know what the dealership said?

ok so i finally got my car back today. total was 1815.42 and i had to pay every cent of it. i have to sell the interceptor, so if anyone wants to buy it, i'll sell it for 1600 cause i didnt even get to use it. the dealership fixed the car, but they unplugged my subs. the subs were installed by professionals, not me. is it ok for me to hook them back up? they unhooked them from the drivers side interior fuse box and im not sure which fuse it was hooked to exactly.

You got completely screwed.

yea i know. but what should i do about the subs?

I feel bad for joshk, but let this be a lesson to everyone. Dealerships do not perform "repairs". They simply replace parts. You are never required to do anything a dealer reccomends. Also, unless they inform you of a diagnosis charge up front, you do not have to pay that either. Be aware that though an aftermarket part may not neccisarily void a portion of a warranty, the dealer will never be responsible for screwing up your aftermarket mods.

What do you want to do? You didn't install them. Do you know how to hook them up?

i have to sell the interceptor, so if anyone wants to buy it, i'll sell it for 1600 cause i didnt even get to use it.There's even more bad news... you can't sell the int-x for 1,600. They sell new for $1,499.

http://www.mazsport.net/store/product156.html

not trying to flame here but let me ask a question....

theres a ton of people on here that have the int-x for their cars.. your the only person who's had this problem..

for some reason this sounds kind of fishy to me, because if there was no power to your pcm. how did it erase? :Wconfused

MM hit it on the head....you got hosed dude. Truly sucks, but thats life. And with the interceptor, Jason is right about the price, which means you're going to have to take another hit because although its used, it has still decreased in value since its not coming from the actual company. You'd be lucky to get $1400. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

not trying to flame here but let me ask a question....

theres a ton of people on here that have the int-x for their cars.. your the only person who's had this problem..

for some reason this sounds kind of fishy to me, because if there was no power to your pcm. how did it erase? :Wconfused

thats exactly what im wondering is how it got erased.. the dealers dont even know what happened, they just couldnt do anything witht he pcm so it had to be replaced.

What do you want to do? You didn't install them. Do you know how to hook them up?

i want my subs to work. there was a cord that was for my bass control knob and it went into the interior fuse box. its not there anymore and i cant find the wire. i dont know how to hook the subs up..

I think I would be worried about something other than my sub hook-up if I just gave a dealer $1600 to fix something that many knowledgeable people just questioned the validity of... :shocking:

I am assuming you didn't get the old PCM back to test... some dealer is probably smiling that they just got $1600 for a main fuse :sad:

I think I would be worried about something other than my sub hook-up if I just gave a dealer $1600 to fix something that many knowledgeable people just questioned the validity of... :shocking:

I am assuming you didn't get the old PCM back to test... some dealer is probably smiling that they just got $1600 for a main fuse :sad:

dude i cant do anything about what i had to do. my dad made me pay the dealer to fix the car cause he wanted me to get my car back and for me to "learn a lesson"

and now the ony thing that doesnt work is my subs, which isnt even what i sent the car in for haha.

Umm.. IMO dealer shafted u...

i have a ?. what does your odometer read???? and what does the sticker that they put on about the replaced ecu say...

if you old ecu was erased you miles on the speedo would be gone.. replacing with a new ecu would read 0.

and they should have given you the old ecu back. i think legally they have to as it is a used part that you own.


food for thought.

beers :beer:

Damn man, WTF? You got screwed out of almost $2k and you're worried about your subs? Ask the dealer for your old PCM back. Plug it into another 8 and see if it works. There's no way it got "erased". That's the most dumbass thing I've heard yet from a dealer. Send me the PCM and I'll test it for you.

dude i cant do anything about what i had to do. my dad made me pay the dealer to fix the car cause he wanted me to get my car back and for me to "learn a lesson"Ahh. Sorry, I missed this part of the story.
You are just some dumb f*cking rich kid.
Sorry I cared.

^ exactly.

You were obviously in over your head on this one from the start. If you can't figure out the subs, you couldn't have done the turbo. Sorry, man. But I'm starting to see that either you did hose the car yourself, or the dealer sensed some easy pray and cashed-in. Either way, you don't seem to be all that troubled. Just tell your dad to pay for an STi, too.

you can't just plug a PCM from one RX-8 into another ...

You need to get the PCM back!! It would worth some cash even if it's damage. Hell, send it to me and I'll put it in good use :p:

This has potential to be one of those epic inter-forum threads. What if the NASIOC or SRT forums got wind of this one? :)

At this point I have not heard back from the tech that was working on the car. When I spoke with him last he was going to open the factory ECU and call me with the results of a visual inspection. I would like to get the factory ECU and Interceptor-X back and inspect both units for damage.

you can't just plug a PCM from one RX-8 into another ...

Ya, the transponder system probably wouldn't like that.

Ahh. Sorry, I missed this part of the story.
You are just some dumb f*cking rich kid.
Sorry I cared.

ok i saved up 17 grand for this car since i was 11 years old and bought it last year when i was 16.. im not rich, i just worked hard for the money. and how am i dumb? because im not a genius about cars?

i have an rx8.. its mine.. bought with my own money well.. the banks.. i took out a 40k loan.. im 20, i have 35k left on it.. no co-signer.. its all mine,
my dad Refuses to let me put a turbo/s/c on it..... im greatly dissapointed... he would loose it if i did... at the same time.. its my car.. i want more power.. only 250rwhp.. give or take.. nothing special... nothing that would overwork the car to the point where id have to rebuild the engine in a year...i dont know what im doing, i was going to get a pro shop to do it....sigh.. oh well.. i would never attempt too hook up the interX bymyself...you have balls to do that on a 30k car..

i have an rx8.. its mine.. bought with my own money well.. the banks.. i took out a 40k loan.. im 20, i have 35k left on it.. no co-signer.. its all mine,
my dad Refuses to let me put a turbo/s/c on it..... im greatly dissapointed... he would loose it if i did... at the same time.. its my car.. i want more power.. only 250rwhp.. give or take.. nothing special... nothing that would overwork the car to the point where id have to rebuild the engine in a year...i dont know what im doing, i was going to get a pro shop to do it....sigh.. oh well.. i would never attempt too hook up the interX bymyself...you have balls to do that on a 30k car..


haha i took out 6 grand for the loan and payed in cash up front. and its not a 30k car.

I'm willing to bet if you get your old ecu back, and plug it in, it will work just fine. You should change the title of the thread too, "How I got screwed out of $1600"

you never answered swoope's question about your mileage, plus you seem not as mad as you should be.

Ahh. Sorry, I missed this part of the story.
You are just some dumb f*cking rich kid.
Sorry I cared.


How very unimpotant of you to say this. Do you feel better when talking down to others? What a hateful, antagonistic asshole you are Jeff. My God, what difference does it make if the young man's family has money? I truly hope that whatever you do has nothing to do with dealing with others. I guess you were raised by wolves and they just didn't give you the attention that you crave now.
Why don't you join the Marines, head to Iraq and put some of that pent up aggression to good use instead of saying dickwad things to a young guy learning about hard knocks?

You have some pretty cool ideas but socially your better off in a cave. I think your Delta Tau Chi name should be: DICK :icon_tdow

Josh you need to go to the dealer and tell them you want your old pcm back immediately. Whether it is broken or not it is not the issue the issue is it is your property and you dont want them keeping it. What you should want is a independant party inspecting the old pcm and seeing whether it is damaged or not, and if its not damaged to contact mazda usa to make the situation right cause its bullshit how these shops screw people like this. I wouldnt be surprised if they reflashed your old pcm and reinstalled it. Just my 2 cents.

I'm siding with jeff on this one. I think he could have used some more tact with what he said but still. lets look at the facts. He was given several options to keep his 1800 bucks and decided to follow non of them. Its his car not his dads and his money. his dad had no say in the outcome. I dont care how you look at it. If he has no idea what the hell he's doing to FIX a disconnected wire from a stereo system why in the hell does no one think he screwed up the install. No offence man but lets face the music, are you even capable of getting to the main fuse to check it? I'm in the military and I dont make 1800 bucks in a month. I would be some kind of pissed if I had to shell it out and the least of my worries would be the subs in my trunk. Jeff doesnt care how old you are, I'm 22. He helped me a year ago when I poped an apex seal on my rear rotor. Soooooo I would say, look at the facts before you yell at someone who can reconise the truth. This kid really doesnt give a shit.

ok so i finally got my car back today. total was 1815.42 and i had to pay every cent of it. i have to sell the interceptor, so if anyone wants to buy it, i'll sell it for 1600 cause i didnt even get to use it. the dealership fixed the car, but they unplugged my subs. the subs were installed by professionals, not me. is it ok for me to hook them back up? they unhooked them from the drivers side interior fuse box and im not sure which fuse it was hooked to exactly.

Ok so what was the real cause of all this??
With your mention of your subs being a custom job how long did you have them in your car before attempting the Int-X install? And when you say Custom do you mean a custom shop or a good friend who fiddles around with systems. With you now mentioning this I think maybe someone messed up your sub wiring to the fuse box and when you installed the Int-X it just fried something obviously. Just a thought.

Btw With MazsportScott personaly responding to this I may look into buying this from them come after Christmas :)

Edit: Ok I thought I was at the end of the thread when I posted this but I missed the last page. To those bashing josh, we dont know what his family life is like at ALL! He could have one of those over bearing macho wanna be I used to play high school football and drink beer for breakfast kinda dads. Those types you listen just to shut them up, my father is somewhat like that why I dont talk to him much if at all.
And him worring about the damn speakers christ guys if you just shelled out that much cash most likely having a father still yelling at you for buying the Int-X then reading this thread he made to seek HELP and being yelled at and then to top it off that luvly feeling of being OVERWHELMED! You would want to atleast have something go right for you and to some like myself music is it.

Josh if ya read this if I'm completly off about your dad I apologize ;)
Also get your ECU back right away, and find out why that Tech didnt call back MazsportScott!?!

I'm siding with jeff on this one. I think he could have used some more tact with what he said but still. lets look at the facts. He was given several options to keep his 1800 bucks and decided to follow non of them. Its his car not his dads and his money. his dad had no say in the outcome. I dont care how you look at it. If he has no idea what the hell he's doing to FIX a disconnected wire from a stereo system why in the hell does no one think he screwed up the install. No offence man but lets face the music, are you even capable of getting to the main fuse to check it? I'm in the military and I dont make 1800 bucks in a month. I would be some kind of pissed if I had to shell it out and the least of my worries would be the subs in my trunk. Jeff doesnt care how old you are, I'm 22. He helped me a year ago when I poped an apex seal on my rear rotor. Soooooo I would say, look at the facts before you yell at someone who can reconise the truth. This kid really doesnt give a shit.

First of all I want you to know that I have the utmost respect for you and all those who serve so Thank You. That aside, my point had nothing to do with the guys options or choices. My point is that Jeff goes out of his way to say uneccessary, judgemental things to others. Those that know me will vouch that I am not a bleeding heart but I am sick of this self important, self appointed, know it all. I disagree with some of Jeff's "theories" and all of his views on life. He is not someone that I choose to associate with nor would I do businness with him. I was simply utilizing this public forum to say that his comments about others add absolutely NOTHING to this forum.

Well after a little persuasion (and deleting a thread that was against the rules rather than sending a PM!), I am opening this back up again. It would be nice to know ultimately how this turns out. Keep in mind that this thread has gone down the toilet and I'm going to flush it the next time even ONE SINGLE person says anything offensive to someone else so that is the only warning that is going to come. No arguing back and forth either or criticizing someone for their response. Let's see how long this lasts! If it does get closed down, please don't start more threads about it or call me out in a thread complaining about it. That too is a rules violation and is plain childish. Remember I don't always make decisions that will make everyone happy and I don't really care. Keep it civil and maybe we'll hear the rest of the story. Hopefully this is clear enough to keep it clean.

What a hateful, antagonistic asshole you are Jeff. Why, thank you!

Why don't you join the Marines, head to Iraq and put some of that pent up aggression to good use instead of saying dickwad things to a young guy learning about hard knocks? You might learn a lesson or two from your own words.
I already fought for my country (Denmark). What is your excuse?

BTW - I stand by what I said - there is nothing "aggressive" about it;
He is dumb - He asked for advice and then didn't heed it. That is actually dumb. You disagree?
He is rich - he is in a position to save enough money to buy a $26k car in just a few years and then can laugh when his father makes him "learn a lesson" by frivously wasting another $2k.
He is a kid - that has been established.

So, on all accounts - bite me.

Of course you are right Jeff about everything, now and always. I know this makes you happy. And Thank You from all of us for saving Denmark from hostile takeover!

I stand by all of my opinions also. As far as biting you, I would rather take my chances with bagged spinach. Less chance of poisoning.

Well.... I spoke with Josh last night via pm's and he is going to get the old ECU back today and ship it to me with the Interceptor-X. I will inspect the internals and report back with my findings, Scott

Well.... I spoke with Josh last night via pm's and he is going to get the old ECU back today and ship it to me with the Interceptor-X. I will inspect the internals and report back with my findings, Scott The ECU has been in dealer hands and control for how long?

I had a distributor cap and rotor replaced by a dealer mech more than a decade ago. I suspected it did no need to be changed and I asked for the parts back as they delivered the car.
He handed me a fairly well charred 4-cylinder cap. The car was a V-6. When I called him on it, he got irate.

Since he took delivery of the car some time ago, don't expect the PCM to be in the same condition it was when it was extracted.

Of course you are right Jeff about everything, now and always.
Thanks! I appreciate your understanding.

And Thank You from all of us for saving Denmark from hostile takeover!
Well, at the time, it was a safe place (before Bush I started playing with stuff and we had to tighten up). But I was actually busy defending US interests at the time.

I stand by all of my opinions also.

I suspect that anything else would be too challenging for you.

You do understand the fact that as soon as you go ad hominem, you have lost the argument, right?

Keep in mind that this thread has gone down the toilet and I'm going to flush it the next time even ONE SINGLE person says anything offensive to someone else so that is the only warning that is going to come. No arguing back and forth either or criticizing someone for their response. Let's see how long this lasts!
:fingersx:

Well.... I spoke with Josh last night via pm's and he is going to get the old ECU back today and ship it to me with the Interceptor-X. I will inspect the internals and report back with my findings, Scott

I'm starting to think maybe his Sub's had a hand in well killing the car sort to speak. Especialy since the Tech's at the dealership disconnected the wire to the fuse box.. why touch it in the first place?!? And also why not reconnected it afterward. Thinking something alone the lines of a crossed wire I dunno just speculating.

Josh I hope ya find out what really happened with your car and not the dealers version which is sounding more and more like they gave you a miricle water cure if you catch my drift.

Keep us updated if you will! :ylsuper:

It's a real simple question Josh, what does the odometer say?

Please tell us that and much will be revealed to you.

It's a real simple question Josh, what does the odometer say?

Please tell us that and much will be revealed to you.

the odometer reads 44 thousand and something.. so does that mean i got ripped off?

Well changing the ECU to a new one would make the miles 000 if i am right then you have a case to take with the MAZDA US and ask to talk to the mazda rep....

the odometer reads 44 thousand and something.. so does that mean i got ripped off?


YES! definitely. If you had a new ECU it wouldn't know how many miles there were. It woulld have to start from 00000000. And they can't say they copied it off the old info because it was fried, right?
So if they could read it then it worked when you brought it in.

Also if they claim they could reset the new one to match the old one they are lying. Give a dealer that power and every used car on the lot would be low mileage!

There is another box in the car and I'm thinking that might be the car specific info and if so I'm wrong. Someone on the forum know this??

Next I have an ECU right here on my desk and it is serial numbered, I wonder if that is recorded anyplace??

You need to go to MazdaUSA with this info.

i have to say they tried to do the same thing with me about my tranny and i have to say it took me a long time to get the money back but i got my 4k back so josh all i have to say is that try to get your money back bro... talk to the mazda rep but before you do that get your facts together.... good luck

I think (and am likely wrong, though I will dig through the FSM) that the odo is stored in the cluster.
Once the new PCM is registered to the old cluster, the car will function normally.
The PCM is serialized, so that number should be available on the build sheet at Mazda.

I think (and am likely wrong, though I will dig through the FSM) that the odo is stored in the cluster.
Once the new PCM is registered to the old cluster, the car will function normally.
The PCM is serialized, so that number should be available on the build sheet at Mazda.

this is the thread i recalled...

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=87808&highlight=odometer

i am VERY interested to know how this plays out.

beers :beer:

^^ Right. So the ODO data is in the cluster, not the PCM.

^^ Right. So the ODO data is in the cluster, not the PCM.

hey,

i called myself on that, but really not sure... but i would bet if the real ecu gets in the right hands the truth will come out..

and the the ecu was not wiped out...

beers :beer:

im callin the dealership on monday mornin cause i dont have time to go pick it up this weekend. but once i get it back im sendin it and the int-x to scott so he can test it.. i really hope i can get my 1800 bucks back, that would be awesome

oh also, i got my subs working again!! haha. i just took it by the place that installed them and i told him that the dealership unhooked some stuff and my subs wont work and asked him to look at it. it took him like 5 min. and found that the wire had just fallen down in a hole thing and he put it back in place so it works.

Still have $500 for your interceptor :-D

Still have $500 for your interceptor :-D


haha i wont sell it for that cheap if i even sell it at all. i still gotta send it to scott so he can test it. my dad says that i cant do anything like that ever again but i think once my warranty runs out then he will let me