http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/09-01-2006/0004425455&EDATE=

Short version: RX-8 sales down 31.4 for August, 36.4 for the year.

Disclaimer for angry people: I have no comment as to how this affects the future of the RX-8.

LOL love the disclaimer part. I just hope the dont release the Kabura in 07 and cxl the 8 this soon. It would suck.

One of those numbers for August was me so I did my part!

Those numbers refect two things

- gas price concerns
- new MX-5 taking sales

and should prove to them that they need to Mazdaspeed the RX-8 - right now - don't wait and MazdaSpeeding doesn't mean simply a new color, beige seats, and a slightly tweaked suspension - we want more juice!

know what those numbers mean to me?

it means you can probably pick up a B-series pickup truck for pennies and change :D:

and damn toyota sells a lot of cars, 900k+ YTD for 2006 already!!

and Honda already broke 1 million mark!

i can't wait to see the August 2007 numbers after another year of no upgrades... maybe 300 cars a month if lucky?

i can't wait to see the August 2007 numbers after another year of no upgrades... maybe 300 cars a month if lucky?

Here in OZ apparently they are selling only 20 RX8 a month :spank: so i hate to see what 2007 numbers will be :Eyecrazy:

Michael

I'm just glad to see the overall sales for Mazda being up from SPLY (same period last year) YTD.

Tim

Production...world wide is around 1300 to 1400 units (RX-8) a month...

I think the 8 has done very well since there has been virtually NO upgrades since its release.

I recall the MX-5/Miata sales had a similar outcome in sales..

Sales of Large SUV and V8's have declined 20-30%, in fact anything that consumes lots of petrol, sorry GAS.

What is the expected sales figure of the new CX-7, is it doing well?
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so far we're still ahead of S2000 in YTD sale :Eyecrazy:

It looks like we need RP's Super Charger to breath life into the 8

Here comes the "Collectors Car"

Down down down and will continue to do so as the car is not being updated in any significant manner. I doubt Mazda is throwing any sizeable money to update the RX-8. It's all going to the crossovers and cars--where the big profits seem to be. I hope they do a good job on the Mazda 6. It really needs to go from a auto journalist darling and modest success to a homerun like the Mazda 3.

As other's have said, the upside is that we won't see too many of our cars on the road unlike the 350Z.

so far we're still ahead of S2000 in YTD sale :Eyecrazy:
Well the cheapest S2000 is $34K MSRP! If they lowered the price to $26K like the cheapeast RX-8, I bet sales would be quite a bit higher.

The 350Z sold almost 2000 units for Aug 2006. http://www.nissannews.com/corporate/news/current/20060901104343.shtml

Those numbers refect two things

- gas price concerns
- new MX-5 taking sales

and should prove to them that they need to Mazdaspeed the RX-8 - right now - don't wait and MazdaSpeeding doesn't mean simply a new color, beige seats, and a slightly tweaked suspension - we want more juice!
3 The recall.

The 8 is not a bread and butter car so unless they make a major change they are not going to seriously advertise it like they do the 3 and 6 and the new CX7. If you don't market you don't sell.

Even if Mazda did a MS8 is would be an even more niche/halo car (I'm all for it) but it wouldn't seriously add to Mazda's bottom-line. Itwould need to be almost bullet-proof to make a big press splash and sell the Mazda name. The 8 gets good reviews in most car mags but I don't know if it has helped or hurt Mazdas image overall.

I'm surprised Mazda hasn't put out a large sized sedan yet. It seems to be the only segment that they don't have a car in. I'd skip the truck market alltogether if I were them.

The 8 is not a bread and butter car so unless they make a major change they are not going to seriously advertise it like they do the 3 and 6 and the new CX7. If you don't market you don't sell.

Even if Mazda did a MS8 is would be an even more niche/halo car (I'm all for it) but it wouldn't seriously add to Mazda's bottom-line. Itwould need to be almost bullet-proof to make a big press splash and sell the Mazda name. The 8 gets good reviews in most car mags but I don't know if it has helped or hurt Mazdas image overall.

I'm surprised Mazda hasn't put out a large sized sedan yet. It seems to be the only segment that they don't have a car in. I'd skip the truck market alltogether if I were them.

oh but the 'image' rx8 gives mazda is a definite; despite all its quirks, the rx8 and the rotary engine gives identity to mazda in the sea of me-too car companies. mazda's rotary cars have never been made solely for profitability purposes; they are made to keep the 'soul' of the company alive.

damn that sounds like a corporate line lol

oh and the bigger sedan is coming; the next-gen Mazda6 will be bigger in every dimension, along with a bigger V6.

Nothing would make me happier than for the RX8 to be canx'd, and for most existing RX8 being driven conservatively to break and get junked.

When strangers ask about the RX8, I emphasize the low gas mileage, the high maintenance, the oil consumption, and the high price of high octane. If they are ricers I stress the low torque, the low performance gain available unless much money is expended, and the fact that for $31.1K you can get a much faster and easier modding vehicle to begin with.

Nothing would make me happier than for the RX8 to be canx'd, and for most existing RX8 being driven conservatively to break and get junked.

When strangers ask about the RX8, I emphasize the low gas mileage, the high maintenance, the oil consumption, and the high price of high octane. If they are ricers I stress the low torque, the low performance gain available unless much money is expended, and the fact that for $31.1K you can get a much faster and easier modding vehicle to begin with.
Troll.....

I don't mind reading the sales numbers. It is interesting data.

It the schadenfreude* that others have that gets me.

-Mr. Wigggles

*If you have to look up the word, then I am probably talking to you.

The low amount of advertising they do for the car can be added in.

They focus on all the other cars except the 8 from what I have seen.

Didn't even have an 8 at our state fair but had the 6, 3, CX7 and Tribute...


Wonder why so many people ask what kind of car mine is sad, sad, sad.

Yet so many already know what the new Camero looks like and it isn't even out.

Troll.....

lol, I dont think he's trolling. He wants his car to stay a rarety :)

You don't need an MS8...they just need to ugrade the regular RX8

IMO considering the 8 has had nothing (well almost) done to it since its release... It has done about normal is sales/production for a Mazda model...at the moment World Wide production from Hiroshima for the...

RX-8...is 1400 units (July 2006) a month the new NC MX-5... is 4440 units....

Same time about a year ago....

RX-8...3500 units (March 2005) a month the old NB MX-5 was 1386 units..

The 350Z sold almost 2000 units for Aug 2006. http://www.nissannews.com/corporate/news/current/20060901104343.shtml

From the same URL:
G35 Coupe 1,983 2,444 -21.9 14,800 18,290 -19.1

Decline of its sales is less dramatic, but also quite signinficant.

This is conceptually wrong to compare RX-8 with Z car. G35C is much closer functionally and probably has similar owners demography.

From the same URL:
G35 Coupe 1,983 2,444 -21.9 14,800 18,290 -19.1

Decline of its sales is less dramatic, but also quite signinficant.

This is conceptually wrong to compare RX-8 with Z car. G35C is much closer functionally and probably has similar owners demography.


The G35 is about 10k more isn't it? Most everything I found on the Infiniti lot was at least 34k when I was looking. I can't imaging anyone buying a G35 cross shopping with the 8........ a 350z shure but the G35 is pushing 32 to 40k for most packages.

Sure you can get an 8 up to 32 or so if you load it out, but when is that last time anyone paid anywhere near that?

This is why RX-8 is bargain comparing with other competitors - RWD coupes with four usable seats. Those are like G35C, 325/330 etc. Why do you pay 35-40K if you can get similar performance and comfort for just 25K? That was exactly a question that helped me to buy my car.

This is why RX-8 is bargain comparing with other competitors - RWD coupes with four usable seats. Those are like G35C, 325/330 etc. Why do you pay 35-40K if you can get similar performance and comfort for just 25K? That was exactly a question that helped me to buy my car.


I understand your reasoning, but most folks looking at Infiniti BMW, Lexus etc. are looking for a bit of sport mixed into a luxury car. They won't care that the 8 can beat them through some cones because most likely their car will never be pushed to the limit anyway.

Being the owner of RX-8 for more that 2 years I never took it on the track either. But if you compare RX-8GT with G35C or BMW 3xx, would you find much difference in luxury? When you come to the Infinity or Lexus dealer you are ready to pay just for the label. This is exactly what Nissan and Toyota wanted you to do when they created "luxury" brands. Should Mazda create one? One of the problems with RX-8 was that Mazda didn't position it properly on the market. This is not a weekend sport car (like Z) but an everyday car, wich occasionaly can be taken to the limits. And these limits are quite high.

I can only speak for the Lexus, but yes you will find a lot more luxury there. Yes you do pay for the label but so does the next guy 5 years down the road since the depriciation is very good :rock: The service so far has been excellent as well. All of the Toyota cars are FWD vs the RWD that is standard in most of the Lexus models and as you know the RWD just has a better feel to it.

I'm not downing the 8, just saying that these are 2 very different markets. Had Mazda tried to market this as a luxury car........ well look at it this way. They marketed it as a sports car where generally the "enthusiast" reside and still they are having loads of complaints about oil usage, MPG, Flooding from people not knowing how to take care of the car in most cases. So many complaints that they stopped counting them on the dealer surveys! Imagine what the typical "luxury" shopper would have done :Eyecrazy:

I do not say that RX-8 should be marketed as luxury car. But can you name other RWD four seat coupes that are not from "luxury" brands? (I know Mustang is there, but let's look at imports). Problem is that almost all "sporty" cars on the market now are branded as luxury.

And flooding is the only real issue with this car . Probably separate oil tank with enough oil for regular service intervals would be better option also.

As for reliability just go to BMW or Audi forums and you would see a lot complains about it. I would like to see one turboed Audi, which ran over 100K miles without major poblems with the engine.

Of course here is afree market and if someone is ready to pay preminum for the lablel, he is free to do it. But I am not. So for me RX-8 is a good balance of performance, comfort and price.

I do not say that RX-8 should be marketed as luxury car. But can you name other RWD four seat coupes that are not from "luxury" brands? (I know Mustang is there, but let's look at imports). Problem is that almost all "sporty" cars on the market now are branded as luxury.

And flooding is the only real issue with this car . Probably separate oil tank with enough oil for regular service intervals would be better option also.

As for reliability just go to BMW or Audi forums and you would see a lot complains about it. I would like to see one turboed Audi, which ran over 100K miles without major poblems with the engine.

Of course here is afree market and if someone is ready to pay preminum for the lablel, he is free to do it. But I am not. So for me RX-8 is a good balance of performance, comfort and price.

1. No, can't think of any off hand, but should be eliminate the Mustang just because it is American and has only 2 doors?

2. A seperate oil tank would have been awesome!

3. I did look at the BMW, Audi forums......... one of the reasons why I bought a Lexus

4. This is the same free market that is giving the 8 such a terrible resale value, the recall situation is turning a bad situation even worse I am afraid.

Mustang is too heavy, I would rather look at sedans instead. Moreover it was not available in early 2004, when I bought my car.

Resale value is mostly relevant to those who buy a new car every 2-3 years. I usually sell a car ater 100K miles, when field is much more leveled. And even if I won't be able to get any money for RX-8 at that time, total cost of ownership will be less that if I would spend 35-40K on G35C or 3xx. Also one can expect bad resale value for anything that is off mainstream like RX-8 (excluding pure exotics).

Yea my wife plans to keep the 8 for a long time... 80-100k but now with the whole engine recall and Mazda's lack of confidence in the engine (only gave us an extra 10k 1 year c'mon!) I am not so sure.

^ Warrantee length is no indicator of quality. The more horrible products *are* the ones which tend to have the longer warranties. Like Chrysler 7/70 for k-cars and now the koreans with 10/100.

Such tactics work wonders on the weak-minded, just like a Jedi Mind Trick.

Well we can debate the tactics of why warranties vary all day but this is about the fact that Mazda has had to recall this engine. They should have no issue what so ever with backing the engine with a 100k warranty to further re-gain confidence in the design and help us 8 owners out. Maybe the number of engines they know will fail before 100k makes this cost prohibitive? Maybe not? But you know everyone will assume the worst.

If I can add..

Warranties whatever length of mileage and time is Paid for by the customer in the price of the car...Mazda and MNAO are giving you an extension as "GooD WILL", they do it all the time.
To suggest they know the engine is 'going to fail' or they have "a lack of confidence"...well any comment like that is just crap and bull...sorry.

Oil usage is "Normal" for a rotary engine...there should not be "complaints", MPG normal again for a rotary, flooding..an issue WAY OVER THE TOP, Learn how to start the car right first...YES, the rotary is NOT the same a a normal engine...to some here I am stating the obvious...any comparison is really ludicrous.

I would suggest anyone wanting to buy their first rotary to look into it first, they are enthusiast cars...

Here we have a 25% difference in dollar exchange between the US, but we pay nearly twice the price for an RX-8, like the UK, the resale of Mazda's is about second to Honda and Lexus.

If I can add..

Warranties whatever length of mileage and time is Paid for by the customer in the price of the car...Mazda and MNAO are giving you an extension as "GooD WILL", they do it all the time.
To suggest they know the engine is 'going to fail' or they have "a lack of confidence"...well any comment like that is just crap and bull...sorry.

Oil usage is "Normal" for a rotary engine...there should not be "complaints", MPG normal again for a rotary, flooding..an issue WAY OVER THE TOP, Learn how to start the car right first...YES, the rotary is NOT the same a a normal engine...to some here I am stating the obvious...any comparison is really ludicrous.

I would suggest anyone wanting to buy their first rotary to look into it first, they are enthusiast cars...

Here we have a 25% difference in dollar exchange between the US, but we pay nearly twice the price for an RX-8, like the UK, the resale of Mazda's is about second to Honda and Lexus.


why not offer to extend the warranty to 100k if it is not going to cost them anything? It would build much needed confidence in this product.

Being the owner of RX-8 for more that 2 years I never took it on the track either. But if you compare RX-8GT with G35C or BMW 3xx, would you find much difference in luxury? When you come to the Infinity or Lexus dealer you are ready to pay just for the label. This is exactly what Nissan and Toyota wanted you to do when they created "luxury" brands. Should Mazda create one? One of the problems with RX-8 was that Mazda didn't position it properly on the market. This is not a weekend sport car (like Z) but an everyday car, wich occasionaly can be taken to the limits. And these limits are quite high.
Well Mazda did almost launch a luxury brand called Amati. The initial lead car was supposed to be the Mazda Millenia.

Mazda has neither the finances, brand, cachet, or scope to successfully launch a luxury brand.

Wonder why so many people ask what kind of car mine is sad, sad, sad.

Yet so many already know what the new Camero looks like and it isn't even out.


I like it when the pretty girls come up to me and ask me what kind of car I have.

The G35 is about 10k more isn't it? Most everything I found on the Infiniti lot was at least 34k when I was looking. I can't imaging anyone buying a G35 cross shopping with the 8........ a 350z shure but the G35 is pushing 32 to 40k for most packages.

Sure you can get an 8 up to 32 or so if you load it out, but when is that last time anyone paid anywhere near that?

when I bought my RX-8 the other cars I was looking at were the G-35, BMW 330 and Audi TT.
The TT was too small in the back to get the kids in there regularly, the BMW was too expensive and too plain for what you get. It came down to the G35 and the RX-8. The G35 was 4k more when similarly equipped, but had a lot more luxury items on it.
I picked the RX-8 because of it's looks and the way it drove. If I was fat and lazy and cared about all the luxury bells and whistles I would have gotten the G35.
But then again, my other car is an El-Camino with a fuel injected small block with so much cam duration it idles at 1000 rpm and a torque converter that stalls at 2800 rpm. It does have power steering and power brakes. Does that count for luxury?

So who bought the 1 Protege?? :mdrmed:

when I bought my RX-8 the other cars I was looking at were the G-35, BMW 330 and Audi TT.
The TT was too small in the back to get the kids in there regularly, the BMW was too expensive and too plain for what you get. It came down to the G35 and the RX-8. The G35 was 4k more when similarly equipped, but had a lot more luxury items on it.
I picked the RX-8 because of it's looks and the way it drove. If I was fat and lazy and cared about all the luxury bells and whistles I would have gotten the G35.
But then again, my other car is an El-Camino with a fuel injected small block with so much cam duration it idles at 1000 rpm and a torque converter that stalls at 2800 rpm. It does have power steering and power brakes. Does that count for luxury?


4k more? are you comparing MSRP to MSRP? The discounts where far more on the 8 when I was shopping but the Infinity had very little offers off of MSRP. Can you get a G35 for 29k?

September sales numbers for anyone interested:

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/10-03-2006/0004444573&EDATE=

Youch, there's a chance that Mazda will sell less than 10k RX-8s this year.

Theres a chance that Mazda will sell more than 20,000 CX-7s this year, how many does Mazda expects to sell ? anyone know?
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OMG Mazda is going out of business. The RX-8 is going to be discontinued in 17 days unless sales rise 2049% or a twin supercharged series quad turbo awd singing tap dancing version appears for $15,000 less than the current car!!! Oh God help us all! The rotary engine is going the way of the dodo to be replaced by horizontally opposed 4 cylinders. Oh the humanity! I do believe the RX-8 should have already been cancelled a couple of years ago if the "analysts" here had been correct based on old published numbers. We just keep doing these threads over and over and over and over and over and over and over...

OMG Mazda is going out of business. The RX-8 is going to be discontinued in 17 days unless sales rise 2049% or a twin supercharged series quad turbo awd singing tap dancing version appears for $15,000 less than the current car!!! Oh God help us all! The rotary engine is going the way of the dodo to be replaced by horizontally opposed 4 cylinders. Oh the humanity! I do believe the RX-8 should have already been cancelled a couple of years ago if the "analysts" here had been correct based on old published numbers. We just keep doing these threads over and over and over and over and over and over and over...

And you keep flipping out more than the "analysts" every time someone mentions sales figures... Who knows what the future of the RX-8 and rotary is, but I think it's safe to assume that Ford and Mazda aren't exactly pleased with the sales figures.

I'm not the one who's ever flipped out about the figures. Others do. Even you yourself have said that each year would probably be the last year of the car and each year we keep seeing it. Say it often enough and it will come true, for any model as it gets towards the end of it's natural life cycle. I personally find these threads a waste of server space. They are completely pointless.

I would like to know who bought the Protege.

I would like to know who bought the Protege.

:yelrotflm

I'm not the one who's ever flipped out about the figures. Others do. Even you yourself have said that each year would probably be the last year of the car and each year we keep seeing it. Say it often enough and it will come true, for any model as it gets towards the end of it's natural life cycle. I personally find these threads a waste of server space. They are completely pointless.

do you often invest so much energy in pointless things?

Exactly how does this impact my enjoyment of my car ?????

So who bought the 1 Protege?? :mdrmed:
The real question is how did they sell -2 Protege's in September 2005?

compare them to Mazda UK and Europe as a whole
uk

http://www.easier.com/view/News/Motoring/Mazda/article-74663.html

europe
http://www.duemotori.com/news/auto_news/8440_Mazda_Outstanding_September_Sales.php

Haha zoom is there a one for Canada?
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Haha zoom is there a one for Canada?
Canada sort of gets lumped into the whole "North American" thing.

Haha, yeah I understand, I was just asking for numbers just for canada alone, dont know if they keep track of it...
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Well sales for the 8 were about the same as last month--10 less than August. Looks like Mazda is doing brisk business in other parts of the world with its cars. That's good.

No surprise the 8 is fading as we have discussed over and over on here.

Hopefully by the end of the year i can get them to give me a great offer on the 8

Actually around 30% of total production (sales) of the RX-8 goes to North America, the rest of the world has the other 70%.

the rest of the world has the other 70%.


^^Flexed your math muscles to get that answer did you? J/K :angel:

Yeah, my brain still throbs....

Just to add,, The RX-8's sells in a lot greater numbers world wide than a Evo or Sti (5000 Sti yearly USA). AND I am not trying to make ANY "performance" comparison here between the makes, but these 3 models are the "top of the heap" models for Mits,Sub and Mazda.

The RX-8 world wide so far has at least doubled the sales numbers of the other two manufacturers combined...so I think Mazda and Ford would be quite satisfied with the models performance to date..despite what others think the RX-8 was NEVER intended to be a 'Volume' seller..... the Mazda 3 and 6 are those.

If I can add the Rotary is not a car for the masses, I was concerned about its future recently because of the price of gas, thankfully that's slowly going down...

Long live the Rotary!

If I can add the Rotary is not a car for the masses, I was concerned about its future recently because of the price of gas, thankfully that's slowly going down...

Long live the Rotary!
Even so, I think the rotary may become extinct soon even if the RX line lives on.

Even so, I think the rotary may become extinct soon even if the RX line lives on.

Not really, the worst that can happen is that mazda pulls the rx-8 from the american market, but why? because of low sales in its 4 year of production? nope, whats going to happen is that mazda is going to keep selling the rx-8 as it is( maye a refresh?) until sales drop below 500 units and then introduce a second generation, mazda is not so stupid to think the rx-8 was going to sell a million units, the most mazda could spect was to equal the FC, and we are allmost there.

Please remember the rx-8 platffor is share with the miata and maybe with a kabura base coupe,it is a hell of a plattform and mazda will keep using it for some time, mazda has made it clear it will continue development of the rotary engine, in fact has shown the direct injection version, FI versions, and hydrogen versions, so the rotary wont go away

in my point of vieu there are two things holding the introduction of new rotary models:

1 low sales
2 the recall

1 why is mazda going to make a mazdaspeed rx-8 if it is not sure they can sale them?

2 im sure mazda is not going to introduce a mazdaspeed or a refresh version while theres and engine failure recall going on, mazda most prove that the issue is resolved before introducin any other rotary product

just my opinion :mdrmed:

sorry for the bad writing english is a secondary language to me

Don't forget the "voluntary recall issue" is only in the US.
I doubt that would stop the release of a new model...outside the US.

Your English is pretty good RC.

Even so, I think the rotary may become extinct soon even if the RX line lives on.

it cant. rotary = rx. no rotary =mx .


and if by soon you meant after about 2012 well then your definition of soon is different then mine

Yeah, my brain still throbs....

Just to add,, The RX-8's sells in a lot greater numbers world wide than a Evo or Sti (5000 Sti yearly USA). AND I am not trying to make ANY "performance" comparison here between the makes, but these 3 models are the "top of the heap" models for Mits,Sub and Mazda.

The RX-8 world wide so far has at least doubled the sales numbers of the other two manufacturers combined...so I think Mazda and Ford would be quite satisfied with the models performance to date..despite what others think the RX-8 was NEVER intended to be a 'Volume' seller..... the Mazda 3 and 6 are those.

If I can add the Rotary is not a car for the masses, I was concerned about its future recently because of the price of gas, thankfully that's slowly going down...

Long live the Rotary!

The RX-8 was absolutely intended to be a voulme seller. They were shooting for WRX and 350Z like sales and initially had sales goals of 30k a year in North America.

Besides, if you really want to compare a Mazda to the STI and Evo sales wise it seems like it should be the MS6.

it cant. rotary = rx. no rotary =mx .


and if by soon you meant after about 2012 well then your definition of soon is different then mine

I thought the same Zoom,,,???
Perhaps meaning the "used car" market will live on?

Don't forget the "voluntary recall issue" is only in the US.
I doubt that would stop the release of a new model...outside the US.

Your English is pretty good RC.

its only a US issue, but it affects the image of the car world wide, and remember they where studyng the reasons for itfor over a year.

The RX-8 was absolutely intended to be a voulme seller. They were shooting for WRX and 350Z like sales and initially had sales goals of 30k a year in North America.

Besides, if you really want to compare a Mazda to the STI and Evo sales wise it seems like it should be the MS6.

30k a year was for the firts years of production, depends on the definition of volume, for a rotary this gar is good volume, in fact it is one of the most succesfull sales wise, I do think mazda intended for this car to sale more but this does mean its a failure

30k a year was for the firts years of production, depends on the definition of volume, for a rotary this gar is good volume, in fact it is one of the most succesfull sales wise, I do think mazda intended for this car to sale more but this does mean its a failure

The FB and FC outsold it by a pretty good margin.

yes its the thirt best selling rotary, and its reintroducing the public to the rotary after all the problems with the fd, the fc came after a very succesfull fb. production has't finish for the rx-8, maybe a refresh can pick sales up a bit :hahano:

non of the rx-7 share plattfor with another car, the rx-8 plattfor will be use for several cars

yeah i noticed i read it wrong

:)